[Video] Is prostitution ok for Japan

[Simonka]

Looks, sounds and acts like one, I'd say.

-Ww

His virginness increases exponentially throughout the video.

 

[Wwanderer]

will you remember the transaction? Or will you remember the time you had with them?

Excellent question(s)! Imo and experience, the answer goes a long way toward distinguishing between mongers who fully enjoy their p4p experiences and those who are so often dissatisfied and grumpy about them. And in this respect, p4p is no different from lots of other things people do for enjoyment. If one of the top aspects you think about and later remember when you eat in a great restaurant, go on a wonderful vacation, attend a fantastic live music show, drink a superb bottle of wine etc is the cost, then you are cheating yourself out of much of the pleasure in most cases.

-Ww

 

[RightOn6975]

Excellent question(s)! Imo and experience, the answer goes a long way toward distinguishing between mongers who fully enjoy their p4p experiences and those who are so often dissatisfied and grumpy about them. And in this respect, p4p is no different from lots of other things people do for enjoyment. If one of the top aspects you think about and later remember when you eat in a great restaurant, go on a wonder vacation, attend a fantastic live music show, drink a superb bottle of wine etc is the cost then you are cheating yourself out of much of the pleasure in most cases.

-Ww

And this is the attitude that I have despite my later response after this. I have stated that yes I have had some bad mongering experiences, however, I will say that I have had more experiences where I have an awesome time.

 

[gentletouch]

Define "prostitute". Actually, define "escort" too.

I am just a bit confused.. The man talks about prostitution, and you all bombard his castle. Yet the word "prostitute" has never hit this forum. I hear "provider", and never "prostitute". So for my confusion, I pop the question to make sure...

You make very clear differentiation between prostitutes of will, to those coerced Notwithstanding the definition of the above two I just want to make sure if there is a distinction between prostitute and provider. And if there is none, then what in God's name do you want with this man?

 

[SatoKM]

I believe his "name" is Nobita. He is a "youtuber" who has many followers. He focus his videos in "Japanese - Foreigners" matters, like interracial dating, Japanese mentality vs western mentality, etc.

Some of the things he said in this video are kind of true others are completely false. For example: about Japan low birth rate issues, you can't point out that prostitution is the cause of why Japanese people do not have kids or get married. Prostitution or sex industry has been a business in Japan for more than 100 years. My parents for example, both lived in Japan in the earlies 1950's when prostitution was legal in Japan. My father had 10 siblings (3 brothers and 7 sisters) and my mother had 3 brothers. They used to attend primary school with 50 - 60 students per class. So I guess "low birth rate" wasn't even a concept during that time.
There are many countries where prostitution is legal and they do not have marriage or low birth issues.

What I am truly against is "human trafficking" and force women to do or work in the adult business against their will.

When I pay for an escort, I am paying for her time, companionship, fantasy (do things that are taboo in our society for example a threesome), beauty and mutual sexual gratification. I honestly do not feel like I am abusing or exploiting a woman who made her own choice and decided to follow a career as an escort.

 

[RightOn6975]

I believe his "name" is Nobita. He is a "youtuber" who has many followers. He focus his videos in "Japanese - Foreigners" matters, like interracial dating, Japanese mentality vs western mentality, etc.

Some of the things he said in this video are kind of true others are completely false. For example: about Japan low birth rate issues, you can't point out that prostitution is the cause of why Japanese people do not have kids or get married. Prostitution or sex industry has been a business in Japan for more than 100 years. My parents for example, both lived in Japan in the earlies 1950's when prostitution was legal in Japan. My father had 10 siblings (3 brothers and 7 sisters) and my mother had 3 brothers. They used to attend primary school with 50 - 60 students per class. So I guess "low birth rate" wasn't even a concept during that time.
There are many countries where prostitution is legal and they do not have marriage or low birth issues.

What I am truly against is "human trafficking" and force women to do or work in the adult business against their will.

When I pay for an escort, I am paying for her time, companionship, fantasy (do things that are taboo in our society for example a threesome), beauty and mutual sexual gratification. I honestly do not feel like I am abusing or exploiting a woman who made her own choice and decided to follow a career as an escort.

Overall birth rates are declining. Even in the United States, there was an article about how birth rates are dropping. I guess people just don't want to deal with the pressures of raising a kid and most of the money you earn going to them. I will probably end up like my father and pop one out in my late 30s.

 

[Wwanderer]

I will probably end up like my father and pop one out in my late 30s.

If your ***father*** "popped out" a baby at any age, he and you are both extremely unusual, to put it mildly!!

-Ww

 

[Wwanderer]

I am just a bit confused.. The man talks about prostitution, and you all bombard his castle. Yet the word "prostitute" has never hit this forum. I hear "provider", and never "prostitute". So for my confusion, I pop the question to make sure...

You make very clear differentiation between prostitutes of will, to those coerced Notwithstanding the definition of the above two I just want to make sure if there is a distinction between prostitute and provider. And if there is none, then what in God's name do you want with this man?

I can't tell if you are asking a purely semantic question, one just about the meanings of the words, or if you are trying to make some other point. But if it is the former, then the answer is that there is a whole list of words used to refer to women who sell sexual services - prostitute, provider, escort, sex worker, courtesan, streetwalker, h00ker, working girl, lady of the evening, whore or ho (rather impolite and negative terms), and many others. Some have rather specific meanings that indicate a woman who sells sexual services in a particular way. Some are rather general and include many or all sorts of different forms of selling sex. And the different words carry a variety of connotations in addition to their basic meaning; some are negative, rude and insulting, but others are more positive and respectful or at least neutral.

"Prostitute" is a rather formal and legalistic word for a woman (or man) who sells sex and has fairly neutral connotations about the work itself. You don't see the term much on TAG because it sounds a bit too formal for the sorts of conversations we have on the board, at least it does to a native English-speaker.

I don't think many, perhaps none, of the opinions of the guy or his video expressed in this thread would be different if he had used "provider" or one of the other similar words instead of "prostitute".

Btw, I have no clue what you are asking in the sentence of your post which I made bold where I quoted it above.

-Ww

 

[Ken1988]

It seems to me that his hostility is against sex itself. It's not that sex workers do not talk about her/his job loudly and proudly in public but that anybody do not talk about his/her sexual activities loudly and proudly in public. Privacy and discretion are nature of sex, not only sex works, until one day when "having sex on the street after lunch" becomes all natural for all of us.

 

[warubuta]

So in your opinion, are all TAG escorts prostitutes?

Escort is a euphemism for prostitute. A euphemism is a mild or indirect word or expression substituted for one considered to be too harsh or blunt when referring to something unpleasant or embarrassing. In another thread right now there is a big discussion about how some Johns feel compelled to conceal their hobby out of shame or embarrassment. Hmm. Some prostitutes must feel the same shame or embarrassment because the preferred nomenclature here on Tagged is ‘escort’. Nobody but me says prostitute.

 

[warubuta]

I can't tell if you are asking a purely semantic question, one just about the meanings of the words, or if you are trying to make some other point. But if it is the former, then the answer is that there is a whole list of words used to refer to women who sell sexual services - prostitute, provider, escort, sex worker, courtesan, streetwalker, h00ker, working girl, lady of the evening, whore or ho (rather impolite and negative terms), and many others. Some have rather specific meanings that indicate a woman who sells sexual services in a particular way. Some are rather general and include many or all sorts of different forms of selling sex. And the different words carry a variety of connotations in addition to their basic meaning; some are negative, rude and insulting, but others are more positive and respectful or at least neutral.

"Prostitute" is a rather formal and legalistic word for a woman (or man) who sells sex and has fairly neutral connotations about the work itself. You don't see the term much on TAG because it sounds a bit too formal for the sorts of conversations we have on the board, at least it does to a native English-speaker.

I don't think many, perhaps none, of the opinions of the guy or his video expressed in this thread would be different if he had used "provider" or one of the other similar words instead of "prostitute".

Btw, I have no clue what you are asking in the sentence of your post which I made bold where I quoted it above.

-Ww

Ah. The usual long delicate dance around the subject. Escort is a euphemism for prostitute. lets be real. Men don’t pay escorts to escort them to dinner or escort them to tourist sights. That is what the word escort implies. In fact the only thing men pay for is for the prostitute who calls herself and escort to escort the mans penis into her vagina. That is the most escorting that happens. So we don’t say prostitute here because the prostitutes here don’t like to be called prostitutes. They prefer to be called escorts. That is fine with me, but we should acknowledge the real reason for our choice of words, not that one word is too ‘formal’ or some other such euphemistic nonsense.

 

[RightOn6975]

Escort is a euphemism for prostitute. A euphemism is a mild or indirect word or expression substituted for one considered to be too harsh or blunt when referring to something unpleasant or embarrassing. In another thread right now there is a big discussion about how some Johns feel compelled to conceal their hobby out of shame or embarrassment. Hmm. Some prostitutes must feel the same shame or embarrassment because the preferred nomenclature here on Tagged is ‘escort’. Nobody but me says prostitute.

Well, I look at it like this, and you can correct me if I am wrong.

I tend to view prostitutes as women who have been forced into this lifestyle. Get with as many johns as possible. They are unable to verify their clients, are forced to work in unsanitary conditions or work with clients who are possibly infected with something, can easily be extorted, and are more likely to be a victim of violence and or rape. Not to mention once money has exchanged hands, well they pretty much have to. They pretty much have to accept any act that is performed on them and of course deal with ghosting. I also tend to think that many of these women do not tend to view their current job state in a positive manner.

I look at escorts as being the complete opposite. Even though the argument can be said that everything that I have just stated might apply to an escort, I don't see it that way. When it comes down to it they have a potent weapon in their arsenal, and that is the ability to say, "No!" Just look at the reviews here on TAG, even the bad ones. If someone tried something that the girl didn't like or was uncomfortable, they said no, and whatever act that was being performed would stop. Look at ads and websites too, more often then not they will tell you what they are willing to do and not do. Better yet, how they can navigate around the law and whatnot is for the simple fact that you are paying for their TIME! It's even upright on most websites; we do not offer sex for payment. It goes without saying that at least from talking to the escorts that I have been with, that they somewhat like the job they are doing.

Now before you disagree with me here allow me to state that my first time in a soapland I saw first hand what that meant and I was nearly put off from the entire mongering experience because of this. My friends told me, yeah you're going to get laid no problem, and it is cheap, this could not be any further from the truth. As soon as I got into the room, the girl spoke only in Japanese, and she flat out gave me the NO sign. I had no idea what she was talking about, suffice to say the only thing I got out of my time there was a half-assed back massage that ended up putting more knots into my back, a severe case of blue balls, and a limp-wristed handjob.

 

[Wwanderer]

Well, I look at it like this, and you can correct me if I am wrong.

I tend to view prostitutes as women who have been forced into this lifestyle. ...

I look at escorts as being the complete opposite. ...

I wouldn't go as far as saying you are wrong since these are just words, so you can define and use them as you wish. However, those are definitely *not* my understandings of the words nor are they the common/normal ones afaik. So, if you used the words with meanings as you describe, I wouldn't correctly understand you unless you made it clear in some other way. I think many others would misunderstand you as well.

Fwiiw, I think of escorts as a subset of prostitutes. Escort suggests outcall service provided by either independents or by an agency's/DH's staff (such as AM or ND). Prostitutes I understand to be a broader category that includes women providing p4p in a wide variety of venues and modes - incall, outcall, solicitation on the street or in bars etc.

-Ww

 

[Wwanderer]

Some prostitutes must feel the same shame or embarrassment because the preferred nomenclature here on Tagged is ‘escort’. Nobody but me says prostitute.

So we don’t say prostitute here because the prostitutes here don’t like to be called prostitutes. They prefer to be called escorts. That is fine with me, but we should acknowledge the real reason for our choice of words, not that one word is too ‘formal’ or some other such euphemistic nonsense.

Pro tip - Your frequent attempts to come across as tough or macho or world-wise or superior or maybe just to stir up board drama or whatever by being needlessly combative, aggressive and dismissive would be much more effective if you'd get your facts at least roughly correct.

For example you could check your claim I made bold using the search function. You will find that not only are there others who use the word "prostitute" but indeed that nearly all active participants in discussion threads use it, including most TAG escorts, TAG management, me (about 6 pages of links to posts where I used it) etc. In other words, it is not that "prostitute" is a forbidden word on TAG that everyone but you is too cowardly to use or even one that is particularly frowned on. It just isn't as popular as some of the other words which mean the same thing.

I hope you find this tip useful in your quest.

(There is, however, at least one forbidden word for prostitute on TAG; in fact if you enter it into a post, the board software will convert it to another word automatically. I have forgotten why and when it was forbidden, but I guess it bothered someone.)

-Ww

 

[warubuta]

Pro tip - Your frequent attempts to come across as tough or macho or world-wise or superior or maybe just to stir up board drama or whatever by being needlessly combative, aggressive and dismissive would be much more effective if you'd get your facts at least roughly correct.

For example you could check your claim I made bold using the search function. You will find that not only are there others who use the word "prostitute" but indeed that nearly all active participants in discussion threads use it, including most TAG escorts, TAG management, me (about 6 pages of links to posts where I used it) etc. In other words, it is not that "prostitute" is a forbidden word on TAG that everyone but you is too cowardly to use or even one that is particularly frowned on. It just isn't as popular as some of the other words which mean the same thing.

I hope you find this tip useful in your quest.

(There is, however, at least one forbidden word for prostitute on TAG; in fact if you enter it into a post, the board software will convert it to another word automatically. I have forgotten why and when it was forbidden, but I guess it bothered someone.)

-Ww

I am not nearly as combative as you are pedantic. That’s right just a little bit. But the word escort is a great example of a euphemism. It really is. And you know it. But it doesn’t suit your agenda to say so. And that is OK too.

 

[Wwanderer]

I am not nearly as combative as you are pedantic and a little bit arrogant. That’s right just a little bit. But the word escort is a great example of a euphemism. It really is. And you know it. But it doesn’t suit your agenda to say so. And that is OK too.

I agree that escort is a euphemism; they are common in all languages afaik and especially attractive to Japanese social sensibilities (not that we on TAG are particularly Japanese in our outlooks). Some of the terms for prostitute are "anti-euphemisms" too...that is they are intended to be harsher and less polite than "prostitute".

Btw, is there some word that means the opposite of a euphemism? Not that comes to my mind at the moment, but it seems like such a word would be useful. A "slur" is close but not quite it.

-Ww

 

[warubuta]

Pro tip - Your frequent attempts to come across as tough or macho or world-wise or superior or maybe just to stir up board drama or whatever by being needlessly combative, aggressive and dismissive would be much more effective if you'd get your facts at least roughly correct.

For example you could check your claim I made bold using the search function. You will find that not only are there others who use the word "prostitute" but indeed that nearly all active participants in discussion threads use it, including most TAG escorts, TAG management, me (about 6 pages of links to posts where I used it) etc. In other words, it is not that "prostitute" is a forbidden word on TAG that everyone but you is too cowardly to use or even one that is particularly frowned on. It just isn't as popular as some of the other words which mean the same thing.

I hope you find this tip useful in your quest.

(There is, however, at least one forbidden word for prostitute on TAG; in fact if you enter it into a post, the board software will convert it to another word automatically. I have forgotten why and when it was forbidden, but I guess it bothered someone.)

-Ww

Ok let me clarify my usage of the word prostitute vs yours and the standard here. You would never use it when talking about any specific TAG escort because you know they don’t like the word. Fine! The only point I am making is, the reason they prefer the work escort to prostitute (or the other meaner words) is because it is a euphemism. Why is that a problem for you? Think about it and let us know.

 

[warubuta]

I agree that escort is a euphemism; they are common in all languages afaik and especially attractive to Japanese social sensibilities (not that we on TAG are particularly Japanese in our outlooks). Some of the terms for prostitute are "anti-euphemisms" too...that is they are intended to be harsher and less polite than "prostitute".

Btw, is there some word that means the opposite of a euphemism? Not that comes to my mind at the moment, but it seems like such a word would be useful. A "slur" is close but not quite it.

-Ww

See what I mean?

 

[Wwanderer]

Ok let me clarify my usage of the word prostitute vs yours and the standard here. You would never use it when talking about any specific TAG escort because you know they don’t like the word. Fine! The only point I am making is, the reason they prefer the work escort to prostitute (or the other meaner words) is because it is a euphemism. Why is that a problem for you? Think about it and let us know.

No problem for me at all...just expressing my opinions and using TAG to pass some time. Boards can get dull if there aren't two or more sides of an issue to discuss.

-Ww

 

[Wwanderer]

See what I mean?

Nope, afraid not.

-Ww

 

[warubuta]

Nope, afraid not.

-Ww

Of course not.

 

[e-smile]

His Free Speech Motherfucker t-shirt basically says it all - he's a stealth mode edgelord who prefaces all his narrow-minded views with a bunch of weaselly apologies about how its "just his opinion".

I'm assuming most of his talking points are really just fodder to increase his view count but if he seriously thinks that sex work is what is keeping Japanese people from having children or getting involved in long-term relationships he's got everything completely backwards.

And his diatribe about how sex workers are only in it for the money and should get a job they are passionate about is a laughable oversimplification. Other posters have already brought up how common it is for people to absolutely hate their jobs in Japan (and most countries) but still muscle through them, but the very fact that sex work is a way to earn a decent amount of money in a short time shows that its actually a really good way for someone to get started on a career they are really passionate about. Fact is pay is either very low or non-existent for a lot of jobs/careers people are actually passionate about and quite a few of them require a decent amount of startup capital. If your options are making 1000 yen an hour at a convenience store (where you would need to work a crazy amount of hours to just make ends meet, let alone save anything), 3 million a year at a full time job (which would also prevent you from putting your time into much else and lock you down for at least a few years) or doing sex work (where you can work short hours on a schedule you set yourself, make a decent amount of money and quit at any time) it sounds like a pretty viable option to me.

If the demand for men prostitute was as high as the one for women he may even be on the market too. I would.

 

[gentletouch]

Ah. The usual long delicate dance around the subject. Escort is a euphemism for prostitute. lets be real. Men don’t pay escorts to escort them to dinner or escort them to tourist sights. That is what the word escort implies. In fact the only thing men pay for is for the prostitute who calls herself and escort to escort the mans penis into her vagina. That is the most escorting that happens. So we don’t say prostitute here because the prostitutes here don’t like to be called prostitutes. They prefer to be called escorts. That is fine with me, but we should acknowledge the real reason for our choice of words, not that one word is too ‘formal’ or some other such euphemistic nonsense.

Let's be honest here, man. We call them "providers", because if we called them "prostitutes", that would make us "clients". And were they "whores" or "hookers", we would be "Johns". So the well-being of any of these women is the last (in MY opinion) thing these writers are concerned about.

This is why I was so adamant on setting the record on the name. If they are whores (and let's face it, it is what they are, eventually), than what does it make YOU? If they are "providers", then what are we? "consumers"? maybe "QC on loan"? We are NOT.

And that goes NOWHERE to determine the legitimate aspects of this trade. They are TOTALLY subjective, as long as there is nothing is done against anyone's will (and that is a totally different topic).

 

[warubuta]

Let's be honest here, man. We call them "providers", because if we called them "prostitutes", that would make us "clients". And were they "whores" or "escorts", we would be "Johns". So the well-being of any of these women is the last (in MY opinion) thing these writers are concerned about.

This is why I was so adamant on setting the record on the name. If they are whores (and let's face it, it is what they are, eventually), than what does it make YOU? If they are "providers", then what are we? "consumers"? maybe "QC on loan"? We are NOT.

And that goes NOWHERE to determine the legitimate aspects of this trade. They are TOTALLY subjective, as long as there is nothing is done against anyone's will (and that is a totally different topic).

They call me Warubuta. Mr. Warubuta to you.