Would You Date Someone Without A College Degree?

[Jbagz]

We are talking about dating! The person affected the most is the non college educated person. But in general if the person applies themselves in life, it doesn't matter! But it could matter on the financial side! In Japan it doesn't matter. In the States it would maybe. There are many ways for non-college educated people to make money.

But that would be the only thing I could see as being a problem. I have dated women who only had hs diplomas. Never affected our conversations. I still talk to them on SNS.

As far as worldview goes, they can't imagine living in a foreign country! But they have been stationed in foreign countries! But then we can talk about stuff the average college kid can't! So I don't know what all this is about. Workdview!

It's a strange way to qualify your arguments. If you like/love a person, then it doesn't matter really. I could think of a lot of reasons why there is nothing wrong with it because the two will part anyway.

I'm going to guess that you haven't been to college. Is that correct?

I ask that not because I question your value as a person, but because of your curious sentence structure and use of exclamation points that are apparently displays of intense emotion.

To state my position more clearly:

I find that I am usually more compatible for dating someone long-term, if they went to college.

They tend have a worldview that is more inclusive of different cultures, the arts, sciences and their political opinions tend to be socially liberal. That's a good match for me.

I am not claiming that a person who hasn't been to college can not have those traits. Obviously they can.

However, I have noticed that the women who have been to college generally have those traits as opposed to high school educated women. Few things in life are absolute, but I find this generally holds true with American women. Especially women in the American South.

I also am flatly refuting the idea put forward by several posters that a college education holds little or no value. I find that notion absurd to say the least. I also suspect it is one being put forth by people who haven't been to college.

 

[Partylyk1999]

Your reasoning is strange and fickle. It stands to reason that anyone with or without a university diploma could possess such qualities. Dating is the qualifier here or the control! For any relationship to work long term, either its physical or mental or somewhere in between. But the question is would you date someone with less education. A man marries a high profile surgeon that also makes more money! He's a manager at a low paying company. They even have different political views yet they find a way to make it work. Same thing! The man has less education. Yeah he makes some money but we know that the material things were on the wife. We know that the moral compass is on the dad. Know a family like that. Conservative married to a liberal. The house functions well!

So when you think about it, if two people can work well together and overcome the obstacles of life, then it won't matter. This dynamic goes on all the time.

You certainly have made it clear that a non university educated person cannot have your world views. Why is that? Even if they couldn't read, they can listen. They can watch TV. I know farmers that have no TVs yet they can always tell me something about the world. I am not sure you are actually interested in the answer to your question or your own conclusion. For me if it's dating, it doesn't matter about their educational background.

Maybe you question should be, Would you date someone that was naive about the world, illiterate, and in general going nowhere in life?

 

[Jbagz]

Your reasoning is strange and fickle. It stands to reason that anyone with or without a university diploma could possess such qualities. Dating is the qualifier here or the control! For any relationship to work long term, either its physical or mental or somewhere in between. But the question is would you date someone with less education. A man marries a high profile surgeon that also makes more money! He's a manager at a low paying company. They even have different political views yet they find a way to make it work. Same thing! The man has less education. Yeah he makes some money but we know that the material things were on the wife. We know that the moral compass is on the dad. Know a family like that. Conservative married to a liberal. The house functions well!

So when you think about it, if two people can work well together and overcome the obstacles of life, then it won't matter. This dynamic goes on all the time.

You certainly have made it clear that a non university educated person cannot have your world views. Why is that? Even if they couldn't read, they can listen. They can watch TV. I know farmers that have no TVs yet they can always tell me something about the world. I am not sure you are actually interested in the answer to your question or your own conclusion. For me if it's dating, it doesn't matter about their educational background.

Maybe you question should be, Would you date someone that was naive about the world, illiterate, and in general going nowhere in life?

What is your level of education?

 

[TAG_Member]

Your reasoning is strange and fickle. It stands to reason that anyone with or without a university diploma could possess such qualities. Dating is the qualifier here or the control! For any relationship to work long term, either its physical or mental or somewhere in between. But the question is would you date someone with less education. A man marries a high profile surgeon that also makes more money! He's a manager at a low paying company. They even have different political views yet they find a way to make it work. Same thing! The man has less education. Yeah he makes some money but we know that the material things were on the wife. We know that the moral compass is on the dad. Know a family like that. Conservative married to a liberal. The house functions well!

So when you think about it, if two people can work well together and overcome the obstacles of life, then it won't matter. This dynamic goes on all the time.

You certainly have made it clear that a non university educated person cannot have your world views. Why is that? Even if they couldn't read, they can listen. They can watch TV. I know farmers that have no TVs yet they can always tell me something about the world. I am not sure you are actually interested in the answer to your question or your own conclusion. For me if it's dating, it doesn't matter about their educational background.

Maybe you question should be, Would you date someone that was naive about the world, illiterate, and in general going nowhere in life?

I agree with you to some extend but also what Jbagz is saying. Without realizing it, you seem to have provided a perfect example to his argument. People have different views based on their upbringing which includes their educational background.

 

[RandomTokyoGuy]

@Partylyk1999
Whether it's a result of your education, your state of emotions or something else, but your reading comprehension with regards to this thread seems to be somewhat lacking at the moment.

On a more general note, not having a higher education certainly means different things in different parts of the world. Not only is quality of basis education different, but also the access and cost of higher education. The attractivity of university degrees may also differ between economies. And of course there are individual situations (having to take care of family, baby etc.)

 

[Partylyk1999]

The question was about dating and somehow p4p was snuck in there. My belief is that you can date anybody. The question, the qualifier, should be more focused. Are we talking about intelligence or literacy? In this country would it matter? I doubt it. In America, perhaps. Depends on if you could trust the person with your personal stuff. But if you truly, really liked or loved a person, why would their education matter? Same for p4p. If a provider, said they did not go to a university, why would it matter if you got along with them. The key is can you get along with them. The thing I see hear is that one wants to look down on a person that has no university degree. That is an unfortunate way to look at people. That is just about dating.

What see in the comments is not about dating, actually. It is about unequally yoking yourself to someone and in general that only leads to separation. Has nothing to do with dating.

If a date told me she was an escort, I might would end the relationship whether we were compatible or not. But not if she only had a hs diploma. If she can read and write, makes no difference. If she can't, I might want to know why. They can always learn. It's not that hard. If was about opportunity that kept them from getting a university degree, then why couldn't they still go get one? If you feel that strongly about, then there should be no reason why an educated person couldn't help one that wasn't. No I don't see why having or not having an education prevents dating or would kill a p4p relationship. If it was would you marry or would you have a baby with or would you trust your material things with, then that would be a totally different debate. But this is about dating short term or long and it makes no difference.

 

[Jbagz]

The question was about dating and somehow p4p was snuck in there. My belief is that you can date anybody. The question, the qualifier, should be more focused. Are we talking about intelligence or literacy? In this country would it matter? I doubt it. In America, perhaps. Depends on if you could trust the person with your personal stuff. But if you truly, really liked or loved a person, why would their education matter? Same for p4p. If a provider, said they did not go to a university, why would it matter if you got along with them. The key is can you get along with them. The thing I see hear is that one wants to look down on a person that has no university degree. That is an unfortunate way to look at people. That is just about dating.

What see in the comments is not about dating, actually. It is about unequally yoking yourself to someone and in general that only leads to separation. Has nothing to do with dating.

If a date told me she was an escort, I might would end the relationship whether we were compatible or not. But not if she only had a hs diploma. If she can read and write, makes no difference. If she can't, I might want to know why. They can always learn. It's not that hard. If was about opportunity that kept them from getting a university degree, then why couldn't they still go get one? If you feel that strongly about, then there should be no reason why an educated person couldn't help one that wasn't. No I don't see why having or not having an education prevents dating or would kill a p4p relationship. If it was would you marry or would you have a baby with or would you trust your material things with, then that would be a totally different debate. But this is about dating short term or long and it makes no difference.

Let's pretend you are a super hot female for a moment.

I would date you for sex, but after I had sex with you a few times I'm very certain that I would grow tired of how you ramble in conversations.

There would be a limit to the amount of cringeworthy statements I could tolerate. I may or may not give you the "It's not you, it's me" talk to end the realationship, but have no doubt, I dumped you because I found your intellect unsuitable.

University degree or not, but then again, I'm assuming that you don't have a degree.

 

[TAG Manager]

I am speaking of IT and of a cert that is "generalist" but requires in depth knowledge on lots of product neutral technologies and the legal conditions in multiple countries. Not the sort of thing one can take a few practice tests and pass.

Sounds like a IT governance sort of thing, or compliance since you're looking at legal conditions. (up my alley, etc.)

 

[Partylyk1999]

Let's pretend you are a super hot female for a moment.

I would date you for sex, but after I had sex with you a few times I'm very certain that I would grow tired of how you ramble in conversations.

There would be a limit to the amount of cringeworthy statements I could tolerate. I may or may not give you the "It's not you, it's me" talk to end the realationship, but have no doubt, I dumped you because I found your intellect unsuitable.

University degree or not, but then again, I'm assuming that you don't have a degree.

Of course, I'd reject you at hello. So there would be no sexual encounter. Others, I'd play your hand just to see what you were made of. Most are fickle and show off their 20 dollar education they got by buying a diploma online only to expose themselves by typing out corny stuff that makes no sense.

Whether the person had a degree or didn't makes no difference if the two parties get along. Of course there is a movie or two out there that might shed light on how it either works or doesn't. To minimalize parties that are willing to make a relationship work, is your first mistake. To boil relationships down to sex and IQ and none of even have a profile of the hypothetical situation to even be able to come close to knowing what would happen. Oh wait! We do Princess Diana and Prince Charles. I stand corrected these types of relationships will never work if one is in England. Snap! Off topic.

You are supposing or surmising that one is an idiot. If you date an idiot and you graduated from Harvard, I am going to guess what will happen-- you and the idiot will part.

Well that's all I have to say about that.

 

[Frenchy]

Sometimes I wish I had no education whatsoever and the IQ of a monkey (not a clever one) but a very good dick and great bod. And my lady also would be a crass-dumb bimbo with zero intellect but fantastic ass and boobs. The kind of girl who loves guys with tattoos muscles wife-beater shirts and a Harley. Think Kid Rock with Pamela Anderson but way way dumber. I don't know why but I always assume those people have the best sex. Until they fight for the most silly reasons then have even better angry sex. Ok I stop rambling here but hey this site is also to fantasize a bit, right?

 

[MikeH]

I don't know why but I always assume those people have the best sex.

I like your thinking but then again who doesn't like Pamela Anderson in her prime? But I actually think you might be wrong here; I would assume that smart people or at least ones who have intellectual curiosity will have the best sex. As they are always ready to try and think of new ways for mutually satisfying encounters.

I mean you do have to be pretty smart to put mirrors in the ceilings and St. Andrew's Crosses in love hotels, right?

 

[Frenchy]

I like your thinking but then again who doesn't like Pamela Anderson in her prime? But I actually think you might be wrong here; I would assume that smart people or at least ones who have intellectual curiosity will have the best sex. As they are always ready to try and think of new ways for mutually satisfaction encounters.

I mean you do have to be pretty smart to put mirrors in the ceilings and St. Andrew's Crosses in love hotels, right?

Yeah, you're probably right. Kind of my modern caveman fantasy I guess. Maybe some day I will hire an escort who looks the part and rent a Harley and live it just for one day. In summer , near a popular beach . With fake tattoos.

 

[Jbagz]

Yeah, you're probably right. Kind of my modern caveman fantasy I guess. Maybe some day I will hire an escort who looks the part and rent a Harley and live it just for one day. In summer , near a popular beach . With fake tattoos.

I've never understood the tattoo crowd.

I see them as copying each other in an attempt to be unique. I don't get it at all.

That said, I've seen some people that look good with them. They are the ones who apparently had the sense to research and select a tattoo artist with talent.

Even though I know very little about tattoos, it is easy to spot the ones who put serious thought and consideration into their ink.

They also tend to be the ones who go to the gym and keep their bodies toned.

 

[Frenchy]

I've never understood the tattoo crowd.

I see them as copying each other in an attempt to be unique. I don't get it at all.

That said, I've seen some people that look good with them. They are the ones who apparently had the sense to research and select a tattoo artist with talent.

Even though I know very little about tattoos, it is easy to spot the ones who put serious thought and consideration into their ink.

They also tend to be the ones who go to the gym and keep their bodies toned.

Agreed, it used to be the edgy/original thing to do years ago but now if you go to Phuket or whatever resort really, it seems like the tattoo-less dudes are becoming the real rebels!
Personally I would have loved to get a nicely-crafted one but I love onsens even more...

 

[RightOn6975]

Sometimes I wish I had no education whatsoever and the IQ of a monkey (not a clever one) but a very good dick and great bod. And my lady also would be a crass-dumb bimbo with zero intellect but fantastic ass and boobs. The kind of girl who loves guys with tattoos muscles wife-beater shirts and a Harley. Think Kid Rock with Pamela Anderson but way way dumber. I don't know why but I always assume those people have the best sex. Until they fight for the most silly reasons then have even better angry sex. Ok I stop rambling here but hey this site is also to fantasize a bit, right?

I think you probably just described most Americans LOL. I have tattoos, I like to think of myself as intelligent and informed. Nor do I hit my gf. I think she would kill me if I even tried lifting a hand to hit her.

 

[Frenchy]

I think you probably just described most Americans LOL. I have tattoos, I like to think of myself as intelligent and informed. Nor do I hit my gf. I think she would kill me if I even tried lifting a hand to hit her.

Ah ah, no, not all americans have great bods (and of course not all americans are dumb). A "wife-beater" is just a t-shirt with no sleeve. It doesnt necessarily mean the guy is beating his wife or gf!

 

[Jbagz]

I know the people who have tattoos are going to flip out and flame me, but there has to be a correlation between education, level of income and tattoos.

I know there are exceptions, but people who are educated and make money tend not to get a shitload of tattoos.

I'm not talking a Hello Kitty on your ass that no one ever sees. I'm talking full arm sleeves and tattoos on the face and neck.

Oh, and please don't point to some knucklehead athlete, or a redneck like Kid Rock and say, "He has conspicuous tattoos and money."

In the 1990s and early 2000s there was an explosion in the number of people with tattoos, and people from different backgrounds were getting them.

However, I still see them firmly rooted in the lower economic classes and highly popular with high school dropouts.

 

[Frenchy]

I know the people who have tattoos are going to flip out and flame me, but there has to be a correlation between education, level of income and tattoos.

I know there are exceptions, but people who are educated and make money tend not to get a shitload of tattoos.

I'm not talking a Hello Kitty on your ass that no one ever sees. I'm talking full arm sleeves and tattoos on the face and neck.

Oh, and please don't point to some knucklehead athlete, or a redneck like Kid Rock and say, "He has conspicuous tattoos and money."

In the 1990s and early 2000s there was an explosion in the number of people with tattoos, and people from different backgrounds were getting them.

However, I still see them firmly rooted in the lower economic classes and highly popular with high school dropouts.

Well it was a fad and it will be fun to see how all those people will look like on the beach , when they get old. I liked the "bad boy / bad girl" feel of it, but now it's way too common. However a Japanese lady with very well made and relatively discreet tattoos , that still turns me on, I must admit.

 

[Frenchy]

Sorry it's off-topic but speaking about tattoo couldn't resist to post a link to this very funny faux-yakuza movie trailer where the hero is no other than ... David Lee Roth (ex Van Halen star singer, now full time Tokyo resident and a master in Martial arts) .
At the end you can see the dragon tattoo on his back , done by a real Japanese artist. Very different from the usual Joe 6 pack ink.

 

[Jbagz]

Well it was a fad and it will be fun to see how all those people will look like on the beach , when they get old. I liked the "bad boy / bad girl" feel of it, but now it's way too common. However a Japanese lady with very well made and relatively discreet tattoos , that still turns me on, I must admit.

Yes I understand what you are saying. Like I said earlier, I have seen people who can pull the look off and there are some extremely talented tattoo artists.

However, the vast majority of people with tattoos look ridiculous to me because they skimp on the price and go with a rookie artist.

Plus the themes of the artwork is horrible and cliche. Tribal armbands, flaming skulls, swords, ect...

 

[RightOn6975]

Ah ah, no, not all americans have great bods (and of course not all americans are dumb). A "wife-beater" is just a t-shirt with no sleeve. It doesnt necessarily mean the guy is beating his wife or gf!

My biggest complaint about America and our obesity epidemic is the fact that we have accepted bigger portions on our meals and fast meals. Many Americans do not want to spend the time cooking nor will they want to sit for prolonged periods of time waiting for someone to cook them something amazing. Hell if you go into a inner city neighborhood, as frequent as you see a gun store and liquor store you will see convenience stores and fast food restaurants. Add to the fact that most home cook meals which are comfort in our culture are greasy and fat tells you what our diet consists of. Our increasingly sedentary lifestyle compounds this as we barely move from home to work and back home again. Even in the Military I see people who shouldn't be in the Military because of their weight. I even look at myself and when I say to my Japanese friends and GF that I am fat they look at me with a confused look and say "What?! Are you kidding me?!" Simply put I view being fat as anyone who can not complete a basic military PFT or PFA (Fitness Test) and not score in the high good range, essentially a certain amount of pushups (pressups) usually 65 or more, sit up (curlups) 70 or more, the Marines are different because they eat crayons and those BK's do crunches I would say 80 or more and plus they do pull up's from a dead hang and have to fully extend, 3 is passing but you better do 10 or more in order not to look like a weak bitch. The run is different depending on the service as far as length is concerned but I like to say this, if you have to stop and walk during this time you are a weak bitch, and lately I have been doing exactly that (Newsflash I am in the Military). Many Americans I believe wouldn't even pass these basic requirements and to me that is fucking pathetic. I know I am going off on a rant here from the original topic, so let's get back on track.

The American grading system is way different that the rest of the world. If you score 60% or lower in high school it is considered a D and many colleges will not look at your transcript if you score this low. Anything below a 60 is considered a fail. Here is how the American grading system is broken down and I will tell you the elementary school and Jr High school system was broken down.

100-90= A
89-80= B
79-70= C
69-60 = D
59 and below F

My Elementary and Jr High
100-95= A
95-90 =B
90-85= C
85-70=D
Below 70 is a F

These pressure's to actually try and score high was ridiculous and it ticked me off, it made me feel stupid for not getting the grades I needed in order to pass and I saw this when I was going through my schools in the Military however if you scored below a 80 it was considered a fail. What I saw including myself was people just giving up and not wanting to try anymore. It is probably one of the reasons why you see so many damn Community Colleges in the states for people who want to go to school and prove they can do what it takes in order to get into the college they want. I haven't seen it personally but if someone has the drive and the ability to do so, someone like myself who graduated with a 1.4 GPA can in theory go to CC get their AA degree show they were on the Honor roll and quite possibly end up going to a Ivy League school or something similar.

 

[RightOn6975]

I also like to point out, that our grading scale is such bullshit, it's mind boggling. I have been in for about 7.5 years and in my time I have encountered co workers who are fresh out of highschool or a few years since then with GPAs in the 3.5's or higher. Most of these cats are dumber than rocks, common sense wise. Then came down to practical applications and I am the one having to show them what the hell to do and let me tell you it is EXTREMELY frustrating. Having to see mofo's like this and think to myself, if I only applied myself and didn't give a crap what the teachers said, I would be a Harvard or Yale grad, but I am stuck with mundane bullshit and here is this motherfucker dumber than rocks and doesn't know there ass from a hole in the ground. BEYOND fucking frustrating. What especially ticks me off is when I looked at the Yale entrance essay and I thought to myself, "Are you fucking serious?" Half the shit here is bullshit, they give students such easy bullshit which is beyond easy for a button pushing student with a 5.4 and no free thought, however if I wrote the essay grammatical errors and all I think I could wow the socks off of most of them. I wish colleges BESIDES CC's took a chance on a guy like me, hell I know that I could wow the socks off of many of recruiters and admission officers with my job experience and what not, however they look at that GPA, can you handle this shit. I say to them, MOTHERFUCKER!!! I had to quickly learn and assimilate medical care, I had to learn minor surgeries on the fucking fly and you want to know if my GPA is good enough? Fuck you!!! Sorry just a bit salty.

 

[User#8628]

Simply put I view being fat as anyone who can not complete a basic military PFT or PFA (Fitness Test) and not score in the high good range

I must be very obese then!

 

[RightOn6975]

I must be very obese then!

It is a military mindset, if you can not preform the basic of exercises I don't think you should be in. My view of fat in the civilian world would be the obvious I can barely walk or need meds in order to survive, yet these people are so proud of their bodies they don't realize they are going to die.

 

[Jbagz]

What especially ticks me off is when I looked at the Yale entrance essay and I thought to myself, "Are you fucking serious?" Half the shit here is bullshit, they give students such easy bullshit which is beyond easy for a button pushing student with a 5.4 and no free thought, however if I wrote the essay grammatical errors and all I think I could wow the socks off of most of them.

I have my doubts about that.