Las Vegas Shooting -- 59 Dead

Frenchy said:
So... you're not glad you live in Japan , after all ? ;)
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No, I'm still happy to be in Japan. Every country has some sort of issue.

Frenchy said:
Then by this same logic of allowing states to fudge the federal laws I suppose "strict states" should start having borders controls to check whomever is coming from the "lax states" , otherwise it doesnt make much sense: anybody can buy something in , say, Texas which would not be permitted in , say, Vermont and go on a rampage in Vermont
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You have to show government ID when you purchase something, so they take into consideration about out-of-state purchases. I'm not familiar with the latest rules though. However, it's common to hear about gun-running between states that have different rules. New York had big problem years ago with guns being run up from the southern U.S. states.

Speaking of borders - if you cross over into a state with firearms in your vehicle, you'd best make sure you're in compliance with wherever your going. People's lives have gotten turned upside down because they took a wrong turn or just were very careless. (Washington DC comes to mind where it's very easy to cross into DC territory from surrounding areas where gun laws are much different than DC.)
 
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MikeH said:
And still my claim is you could give the Japanese the same access to guns as the Americans have and you would not get mass shootings.
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Well I definitely agree with that point. So back to America: easy access to guns might not be the 'root cause' of the shooting epidemic...so what is? and surely the legal ability to have have access to such an efficient killing tool does not help!
Sure, tight gun laws would not stop the determined terrorist or Detroit gang-banger from getting a gun and shooting people, but don't you think some lives would saved in the long run ? (fewer school shootings as an example). hypothetical example of 'tight gun laws': no guns to be used/owned by civilians (not including requirements for work.)

I also personally don't trust background checks/clearances - people lose their marbles all the time.

Call me heartless, but when I read about some mass shooting in the US nowadays - my reaction is just 'meh' and maybe.... also a thought theres something seriously wrong with that country.
 
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jhingy567 said:
but don't you think some lives would saved in the long run ?
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Obviously there are many things we can do to save lives. CDC reports say that secondhand smoke from cigarettes kills over 100 people every day in US alone.

So let's ban all guns, cigarettes, cars, aeroplanes and we do save a lot of lives. And more governmental control is always a happy thing, ask any Chinese people.

Call me heartless, but when I read about some mass shooting in the US nowadays - my reaction is just 'meh' and maybe....
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I would say that is quite a healthy reaction. I mean I am not quite sure the US senators follow the discussion in TAG and make up their laws based on our ideas here anyway.
 
TAG Manager said:
Glad I live in Japan.
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Same here but Rocket man just condemned Japan for past Atrocities ..........the world is turning sicker and sicker with each passing day.
 
Kaspar said:
These things wouldn't happen with strict gun control laws.
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They'd only find another way to do it. Aka Oklahoma city
 
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User#8628 said:
Which is exactly why guns shouldn't be sold to "normal" people.
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Well, his father seems to have been on the FBI's most wanted list as a bank robber so maybe there's something in the genes......
 
MikeH said:
Obviously there are many things we can do to save lives. CDC reports say that secondhand smoke from cigarettes kills over 100 people every day in US alone.

So let's ban all guns, cigarettes, cars, aeroplanes and we do save a lot of lives. And more governmental control is always a happy thing, ask any Chinese people.



I would say that is quite a healthy reaction. I mean I am not quite sure the US senators follow the discussion in TAG and make up their laws based on our ideas here anyway.
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Ok so instead of trying to convince you (without any chance of success obviously) that banning SOME guns , the most lethal ones, or the sicko "improvement" kits to make them even deadlier , try to convince me it's actually a good idea to sell them. And no , I dont think that carrying a machine gun 24/7 just in case a truck wants to ram into a crowd I may be in is such a great idea. You must have a more compelling rationale I'm sure.
 
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Frenchy said:
Ok so instead of trying to convince you (without any chance of success obviously) that banning SOME guns , the most lethal ones, or the sicko "improvement" kits to make them even deadlier , try to convince me it's actually a good idea ....
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I know I'm not meant to be on the evil side, but I actually want the chance to play with machine guns myself next time I'm in the US - Of course though, this is just a stupidly selfish reason! :unsure:
 
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Frenchy said:
Yeah me too. Ok so "it's fun". Fine, that's already something :D
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I mean what else do you need for a reason? In addition regular training is needed in order to keep you prepared for military and the coming wars.

Contrary of what you have made yourself to believe I am actually for pretty tight gun laws and thorough background checks and mental evaluations before giving anyone a licence for any gun.

One reason for this is that I have never met a group of people more disciplined and law abiding than the before mentioned machine gun and artillery piece owners. They don't even walk against the red lights in an empty intersection as they know any meeting with the law can lead them loosing their licence.
 
User#8628 said:
I don't! Haha. I'm sure i'd shoot my own fingers off.
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Actually at work, we once did some experimental testing involving machine gun (like a mythbusters setup). It doesn't really count as playing and it wasnt really fun, our fingers were at least 30 m away from trigger. In fact I wasnt even allowed to touch the gun :(.
 
jhingy567 said:
I know I'm not meant to be on the evil side, but I actually want the chance to play with machine guns myself next time I'm in the US - Of course though, this is just a stupidly selfish reason! :unsure:
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Go to Vietnam instead, it will be cheaper and more fun. They have bazookas. :eek::D
 
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MikeH said:
I mean what else do you need for a reason? In addition regular training is needed in order to keep you prepared for military and the coming wars.

Contrary of what you have made yourself to believe I am actually for pretty tight gun laws and thorough background checks and mental evaluations before giving anyone a licence for any gun.

One reason for this is that I have never met a group of people more disciplined and law abiding than the before mentioned machine gun and artillery piece owners. They don't even walk against the red lights in an empty intersection as they know any meeting with the law can lead them loosing their licence.
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Ok, you're Swiss ! (Wild guess but maybe not so wild, the system indeed works well there)
 
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Hofmeyer said:
I remember hearing about that place, didn't they used to let you shoot at cows?
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I certainly hope not! But you can shoot your car with bazooka. I have felt like that many times with my car.

 
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Challenge accepted!
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Kaspar said:
These things wouldn't happen with strict gun control laws.
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Incorrect. Maybe you missed MikeH's previous post in this thread. Similar to him... I have lived in countries with both strict gun ownership laws and lax ones. It's not about the gun... it's about the shooters.

Since the sheeple media no longer is interested in reporting the cause of any news... all you get is idiotic sound bits. Maybe if a real reporter were to correlate the increase in prescription medications (at earlier ages), chemicals in the food supply, artificial foods, increased vaccinations, and the combination of everything just mentioned... over the past thirty years... you might come up with a story. You might also find a lot more of the crooks in the U.S. Senate and Congress get their money from big pharma and the for-profit medical industry.

If you want to ban something... how about the hospitals in the U.S.? 1,000 people a day die in U.S. from medical mistakes.
 
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Kaspar said:
These things wouldn't happen with strict gun control laws.
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Interestingly, Canada has surprisingly high rates of firearms ownership - 70 registered firearms per 100 people, which I believe is the second highest ownership rate in the world.

The last mass shooting that wasn't part of a separate crime or dispute that I remember before the mosque killings in Quebec this year was the Ecole Polytechnique massacre in the 80s.

All the other mass shootings that I remember were gang executions, family squabbles gone wrong, or disputes with the police that went out of control. And by "mass" I mean more than two victims.

Our deadliest incident in the last 150 years or so was an arson attack.

The problem in the US isn't the access to firearms. It's a much deeper, much more serious problem with roots in lack of mental health care and social stability. A proper healthcare system would do more to curb violence in the US than rounding up detachable magazine firearms would.
 
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Ok, so I'm seeing a lot of "gun control doesn't work" and "criminals will always be able to get a gun" (apparently his automatic guns were obtained illegally).

Question - any idea why it's so easy to get an illegal gun in the states? I'm guessing it's a lot harder in someplace like Japan.
 
Also, people point at other countries like "guns are also allowed there and its safe", but are those actual countries where you are allowed to carry a hand gun on the street and where you are allowed to purchase machine guns?

I know of countries where people can own hunting guns and sports guns, but no countries where people flaunt their guns like in the US.
 
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