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steve969696 said:
So I think this is on a good vector. Given the above advice and being a “glass is significantly more than 50% full” kind of guy I will send her the money for the ticket. Maybe I’ll be eating my hat later but right now it feels right.
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The "vector" sounds just terrific, and you are (obviously) making the right choice about the money imo. There is no way to score huge wins without taking significant risks. Congrats on having the balls to play it that way! (y)

-Ww
 
OK so there is clearly mutual trust. I just could feel this girl has a good soul — I can’t remember if I told you that when we wrapped things up at the club around 3AM and my ride was not till 330AM she clearly could have left me to wait. Instead she invited me to the breakfast buffet. Just me and her and her friend and 20 club girls having breakfast together at 3AM. This shit never gets old.

Anyhow today we went back and forth figuring out flights and I was asking her how to PayPal her the $1300 (so I clearly trust her) and tonight she says that she’s never booked a flight on the internet before and can I do it for her. Sent me her full name and full passport page picture.

Now the good news is she trusts me. The bad news is if I weren’t the amazingly nice guy I am this is a pretty crazy thing to do. I will have to spank her when I see her!
 
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I feel just amazingly grateful that this lovely young woman (in all ways) would be willing to spend time with me. Head spinning on cloud 9.
 
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steve969696 said:
Anyhow today we went back and forth figuring out flights and I was asking her how to PayPal her the $1300 (so I clearly trust her) and tonight she says that she’s never booked a flight on the internet before and can I do it for her. Sent me her full name and full passport page picture.
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Bad move. I didn't pay attention where she's coming from but booking a ticket for a woman with your credit card will properly get her stopped for secondary exam if she's coming from outside the U.S. (assuming you're in the U.S.) - Proper process here is to either send her cash to do it herself (her cash) or let her book the ticket herself and reimburse afterwards.
 
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Bad move. I didn't pay attention where she's coming from but booking a ticket for a woman with your credit card will properly get her stopped for secondary exam if she's coming from outside the U.S. (assuming you're in the U.S.) - Proper process here is to either send her cash to do it herself (her cash) or let her book the ticket herself and reimburse afterwards.
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They will meet in London... true the Brits are a tad sensitive about their borders but probably not as much as in the U.S ?
 
steve969696 said:
OK so there is clearly mutual trust. I just could feel this girl has a good soul — I can’t remember if I told you that when we wrapped things up at the club around 3AM and my ride was not till 330AM she clearly could have left me to wait. Instead she invited me to the breakfast buffet. Just me and her and her friend and 20 club girls having breakfast together at 3AM. This shit never gets old.

Anyhow today we went back and forth figuring out flights and I was asking her how to PayPal her the $1300 (so I clearly trust her) and tonight she says that she’s never booked a flight on the internet before and can I do it for her. Sent me her full name and full passport page picture.

Now the good news is she trusts me. The bad news is if I weren’t the amazingly nice guy I am this is a pretty crazy thing to do. I will have to spank her when I see her!
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Have fun in London with your brazilian bird!
Please tell us how it went .
 
steve969696 said:
today we went back and forth figuring out flights and I was asking her how to PayPal her the $1300 (so I clearly trust her) and tonight she says that she’s never booked a flight on the internet before and can I do it for her. Sent me her full name and full passport page picture.

Now the good news is she trusts me.
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:):):)(y)(y)(y)

Winner, winner...chicken dinner!

-Ww
 
Well it’s all booked. Ticket to London. Hotel for her the nights I have to be elsewhere.Our flights align almost perfectly which is great cuz this is super new for her.

We texted back and forth like teenagers today. Counting the days. Literally.
 
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steve969696 said:
Well it’s all booked. Ticket to London. Hotel for her the nights I have to be elsewhere.Our flights align almost perfectly which is great cuz this is super new for her.

We texted back and forth like teenagers today. Counting the days. Literally.
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If I may ask, how long are you hosting her in London?

-Ww
 
BTW I had a budget planned to get with a handful of Romanian escorts in London (I have a thing for Ro-girls) and my Unicorn will cost about the same or maybe $500 more, including airfare, her fee (which is super reasonable) and incidentals. So that is partly what made this doable.
 
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steve969696 said:
We will be there Sunday till Friday. I have to work some of the time obviously but we will have evenings together plus one or two full days.
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Enjoy! A nice extensive visit, and I am trying to imagine how hooked you will be when it comes time to say goodbye on Friday if things go as you expect and hope.

I had an SB from the US visiting me in Tokyo right at the end of July; she stayed for six nights but basically crashed and slept soon after arriving on the first night to recover from the jet lag. (A few TAG folks met her.). Anyway, we had lots of fun, but the time flew by...as I imagine it will in your case too, so use it well.

We had one particularly hot night in bed but in a bad way...when the apartments A/C failed in the wee hours of the night, and we woke up to suffocating heat in sweat soaked sheets around 5am. :(:eek:(n) I hope no such mishaps mar your week of fun.

-Ww
 
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OK so it is surely destiny. I call Thifany my unicorn — she is that mythical 10 that I didn’t think existed. She is my unicorn.

Chatting today on WhatsApp, she sent me a selfie. Guess what she has on the back of her cell phone and you can see clear as day if you zoom in — a big unicorn! She’s had that sticker on there forever (you can tell it’s old).

Clearly we are destined to be together! Steve and the Unicorn. I feel a children’s book coming on...
 
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steve969696 said:
This is not a sugar situation yet, but I am guessing you guys know the most about emotional attachment. Here is the situation.

Happily married in sexless marriage (oxymoron?). I do P4P worldwide and she doesn’t know or pretends she doesn’t. And so we are both happy.

Always meet girls I like, but I just found a unicorn in Brazil. A true ten in all categories, the most important of which is kissing. Pure heaven on earth. But a ten in looks too. No lie. And really sweet (I know, I know, that’s why I call her Thifany the Unicorn).

Anyhow I am smitten and think about her a lot. And we’ve written back and forth some and she’s sent photos. Wow. I pinged her today (we met last week) and said how much I liked her and she came right back and said she really likes me and had the best night of her life. I am old enough to know the game but she is young enough to be completely sincere. (Maybe)

I am seriously considering flying her for a meetup. It’s about $1000. I of course know to buy the tickets myself — we do after all barely know each other (save having had passionate sex twice). But what are the other watch outs here? Clearly emotional attachment on either side. Some other possible scam?
Sleeping full nights together with me snoring up a storm — maybe learning each other’s faults.

The meetup would be in another country so no real danger of running into friends or the like.

Am I crazy? Or just a love struck adventurer. Any and all thoughts welcome.
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yess. ive done exactly that. flew a girl i used to nail to japan from seoul for 1 day / night. went to kamakura ..it was nice .... but after i nut and we cuddled for a bit.. i left and she headed to the airport..and honestly..
i felt kind of bad
.. like... she knew i flew her in just to smash... but she's actually a good girl who just really likes/liked me.. like..there was this unspoken sense of shame on her part and guilt on mine... but it faded as time passed. i might do the same next spring when im in tokyo. She looks like the singer Sulli..soo hot!
 
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OK so the Thifany the Unicorn visit is in the books. Ended up being a mega hassle but totally worth it! The hssle part was the logistics. She’d never flown internationally before and was at the wrong connecting gate despite 3 people telling her it was right and missed her flight to London.

I had to rebook a new flight (not cheap) for 4 hours later. Then in arrival, we could not WhatsApp communicate so it was radio silence for 45 minutes. I thought she was held in passport control or missed her flight again. But eventually she showed and was looking like the goddess I remember. Very very stressful.

The week could have been totally weird and shitty having known her only 5 hours total before. But instead it was awesome and magical. We went clubbing nearly every night and she is the center of attention. MAKES the party all by herself. Every guy wants her but she’s going home with me! There is a king of the world feeling in that that I can’t describe.

Beautiful passionate sex, but the highlight is just being around her energy. And walking the streets of London with her. She has no western or Japanese inhibitions. If we are inspired to DFK in the taxi or on the street, no problem. She is just a passionate person and her emotions just flow naturally into actions. It is beautiful to behold.

Most fun I’ve had in...forever. More deets if you want them. Ask away.
 
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steve969696 said:
OK so the Thifany the Unicorn visit is in the books. Ended up being a mega hassle but totally worth it! The hssle part was the logistics. She’d never flown internationally before and was at the wrong connecting gate despite 3 people telling her it was right and missed her flight to London.

I had to rebook a new flight (not cheap) for 4 hours later. Then in arrival, we could not WhatsApp communicate so it was radio silence for 45 minutes. I thought she was held in passport control or missed her flight again. But eventually she showed and was looking like the goddess I remember. Very very stressful.

The week could have been totally weird and shitty having known her only 5 hours total before. But instead it was awesome and magical. We went clubbing nearly every night and she is the center of attention. MAKES the party all by herself. Every guy wants her but she’s going home with me! There is a king of the world feeling in that that I can’t describe.

Beautiful passionate sex, but the highlight is just being around her energy. And walking the streets of London with her. She has no western or Japanese inhibitions. If we are inspired to DFK in the taxi or on the street, no problem. She is just a passionate person and her emotions just flow naturally into actions. It is beautiful to behold.

Most fun I’ve had in...forever. More deets if you want them. Ask away.
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Wow! Congrats!
 
steve969696 said:
Oh and I guess this is now an official Sugar situation as she offered to visit next time for no charge!
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Yeah well be careful because by experience this is when things can actually get too muddled for your own good...
 
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steve969696 said:
Oh and I guess this is now an official Sugar situation as she offered to visit next time for no charge!
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If you aren't giving her any financial support or generous gifts or other "valuable considerations" as the attorneys say, neither when you see her nor regularly/monthly, then I would say that it is "officially" NOT a sugar arrangement but rather has evolved very quickly (but the whole thing seems to have moved very fast from the beginning, so why not?) into some form of conventional romance or FWB perhaps. This could be good or bad news but certainly carries very different implications for your future with her...and perhaps for your marriage.

Clear communication with her is now even more important because you and she could easily develop different ideas of where the whole thing is headed.

In any case, the wisdom of going with your gut and trusting her (with the airfare etc) has definitely been demonstrated, right?

-Ww
 
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Ww et al,

Yes a very complicated and interesting situation. Before even proceeding at first I told her I love my wife and we would only be BFGF to which she agreed. But of course people change.

This could never be LTR for me because she is too focused on her owns looks and where the next party is. Plus I can see that I could easily become a slave to pussy blackmail. She doesn’t do it intentionally (I think) but she wears her emotions on her sleeve. If she is upset with you (happened briefly) she is all down and I am quite sure sex off limits. The corollary is that you have to constantly please her. And I don’t want to be slave to that. (Although I suppose this is true with all women to some extent).

If we do this again I would surely sugar her with nice gifts. I would not feel quite right doing less. But will try to remain clear on the relationship.

Hoping I can resist her for at least six months and it will fade a bit by then.

Will send more deets tonight.
 
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Let me rephrase the pussy blackmail piece because it really isn’t about sex. More precisely I am smitten and therefore devoted to seeing her smile. When she goes cold I would do most anything to make her happy again. And that is the dangerous thing. I don’t want to be in that position of doing anything for the drug that is her smile.
 
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