Daily WHO Reports for the Coronavirus Outbreak (Link)

[Durg50]

Since this began I’ve been wondering if they could have weight height or BMI as datapoint on people’s status. That might really be one of the reasons it’s going undetected here in Tokyo. Not as many obese people.

Sad you’ve said nothing wrong here at all but still had to qualify it with ‘not fat shaming’.

 

[Keihan]

Sad you’ve said nothing wrong here at all but still had to qualify it with ‘not fat shaming’.

It's like when pompous suburban housewives want to bitch about being stuck in traffic because of the local gay pride parade and preface their rant with: "I've got a friend, who HAPPENS to be GAY." You can also substitute "BLACK" in there if she wants to bitch about the MLK parade.

Me, I don't have that problem. I've got so many fag cousins and friends that it'd be pretty pointless trying to point fingers at me, particularly when my gay cousins stop by my condo and see that my dress shoe collection has expanded to over five dozen pairs and I have a dedicated belt to match each pair (and don't even get me started on socks matching trousers and coordinating sunglasses with my watches and belt buckles) and all they can do is look at me and declare: "OH MY GOD, YOU FUCKING FAAAAG!!"

But regarding fat shaming, being overweight puts you at risk to just about everything, contagious or otherwise. If you're a morbidly obese lazy piece of shit, you've probably got more than the coronavirus to worry about. Since we've all got lots of free time, it's a great time to start getting into (better) shape.

 

[Desktop]

I put the disclaimer & reason because if I wasn’t worried about some people like my family & friends I wouldn’t mention it. Some are in highly affected areas. People sometimes take comments about obesity the wrong way. I like to clarify statements just in case.

 

[majimekun]

So I've met this young Japanese chick the other day and we went for a drink.
Along the discussion I've learned these few facts :
- she currently has sex with one different Tinder guy almost every single day
- most of the time she drinks their cum
- she had a mask but was coughing quite a lot during our discussion
- she works as a carer in a care center for the elderly and told me that almost all the patients have died recently.
You bring your own conclusions.

 

[namae]

So I've met this young Japanese chick the other day and we went for a drink.
Along the discussion I've learned these few facts :
- she currently has sex with one different Tinder guy almost every single day
- most of the time she drinks their cum
- she had a mask but was coughing quite a lot during our discussion
- she works as a carer in a care center for the elderly and told me that almost all the patients have died recently.
You bring your own conclusions.

Conclusions:
1. she didn't drink your cum
2. Maj tests positive within the next 14 days
3. ... .

 

[Durg50]

So I've met this young Japanese chick the other day and we went for a drink.
Along the discussion I've learned these few facts :
- she currently has sex with one different Tinder guy almost every single day
- most of the time she drinks their cum
- she had a mask but was coughing quite a lot during our discussion
- she works as a carer in a care center for the elderly and told me that almost all the patients have died recently.
You bring your own conclusions.

care home workers, nurses, kindergarten teachers. None squeemish about bodily fluids. All great in bed.

 

[Frenchy]

So I've met this young Japanese chick the other day and we went for a drink.
Along the discussion I've learned these few facts :
- she currently has sex with one different Tinder guy almost every single day
- most of the time she drinks their cum
- she had a mask but was coughing quite a lot during our discussion
- she works as a carer in a care center for the elderly and told me that almost all the patients have died recently.
You bring your own conclusions.

Did you kiss her?

 

[just4fun]

So Costco has a new feature on Mon & Fri. Folks over 65 can enter at 8am till 9:45 I guess to avoid the rush. I'm thinking (good way to kill'm all in one place) good and bad about this.

 

[Ken1988]

So Costco has a new feature on Mon & Fri. Folks over 65 can enter at 8am till 9:45 I guess to avoid the rush. I'm thinking (good way to kill'm all in one place) good and bad about this.

All major supermarkets (Trader Joe's etc) in my state are offering a senior shopping hour in the morning, too.

 

[AMcguyver]

Ok so as I have way too much time to think about silly shit , I think one way the US , Europe, Japan will be able to return to a modicum of fiscal health after this is to fully legalize (and tax) prostitution and drugs (at least not the opioids). What do you guys think?

In the words of the immortal George Carlin, Selling is legal, Fucking is legal. Why isn't selling fucking legal?

 

[Keihan]

So Costco has a new feature on Mon & Fri. Folks over 65 can enter at 8am till 9:45 I guess to avoid the rush. I'm thinking (good way to kill'm all in one place) good and bad about this.

It's almost across the board in my current state, from Costco to the markets to banks. Last week I tried stopping at the bank for a business deposit and found out that 8:30am to 9:30am was for customers 65+, ostensibly because having ONLY old people and none of these vile young people will somehow keep the older people safer...as if older people can't carry and spread a fucking virus. And in keeping with that moronic reasoning, there were probably four or five dozen senior citizens packing the line (when there are usually four or five customers at any given time), tottering around, moaning, fumbling with their checkbooks (who the fuck still uses CHECKBOOKS?) and getting repeatedly confused by the concept of their Debit/Credit cards and taking ten times longer than normal customers.

So yeah, that just makes perfect sense. Encourage the weakest, most vulnerable members of society with the weakest immune systems and highest likelihood of carrying a virus to all come at the same time and then pack themselves into a small space where they stand around forever just inches apart because each one is even more demented than the next and for whom basic banking is like reinventing the wheel.

Personally, I'm all in favor of it. If establishments want to create a special time period for the most retarded members of the community to flood and bog down the lines and then I can come back a couple hours later when normal people are doing their business and breeze through in a few minutes...I say, why stop when the pandemic is over? Make it permanent. Kind of like how we're now arresting and sending back identified homeless vagrants coming here on flights. Make that shit permanent. And Trump's ban on immigration? Not particularly glad to see educated, skilled and valuable visa applicants overseas getting stalled for 60 days but a blanket ban on all asylum entry at our borders and droves of third-world illegals effectively shut out? Make that shit permanent, too. We just printed almost $3-trillion in Monopoly Money, and now ain't the time to have to clothe, feed and house half the world's starving refugees on top of everything else.

I've always had nothing but contempt for the spitting, squatting dwellers of the Middle Kingdom, but this virus has truly opened my mind and made me an equal-opportunity misanthrope on the international level.

 

[Acid Burn]

And in keeping with that moronic reasoning, there were probably four or five dozen senior citizens packing the line (when there are usually four or five customers at any given time), tottering around, moaning, fumbling with their checkbooks (who the fuck still uses CHECKBOOKS?) and getting repeatedly confused by the concept of their Debit/Credit cards and taking ten times longer than normal customers.

So yeah, that just makes perfect sense. Encourage the weakest, most vulnerable members of society with the weakest immune systems and highest likelihood of carrying a virus to all come at the same time and then pack themselves into a small space where they stand around forever just inches apart because each one is even more demented than the next and for whom basic banking is like reinventing the wheel.

And chatting each other up like they’ve been in solitary confinement with no one to talk to for a long time. Oh wait. Lol.

At least my area has a mask mandate so they’re not spreading their nCoV amongst each other. Oh wait, no masks in banks. Doh!

 

[Keihan]

Oh wait, no masks in banks. Doh!

Yep, same here. It really is a great time to be a criminal, seeing as how facemasks and latex gloves are so commonplace nowadays. I guess people are too busy enjoying their $1300/week free govt money to bother going out to commit crimes. I'm still waiting for my stimulus check so I can blow it on a new 9mm pistol and then a few bottles of Moet and some nice cigars for a one-man party on the rooftop of my high-rise.

 

[bergmann]

Get drunk, smoke then shoot yourself?

 

[Ken1988]

At least my area has a mask mandate so they’re not spreading their nCoV amongst each other. Oh wait, no masks in banks. Doh!

It's enforced in my state, too...and I saw quite a few people used scarf in a classical cowboy robber style.

 

[just4fun]

This was a good listen imho

 

[Rusty Trombone]

This is a good watch.
Still not too sure about their conclusions but would be good to hear from more doctors.

 

[RandomTokyoGuy]

This is a good watch.
Still not too sure about their conclusions but would be good to hear from more doctors.

I can already tell you after only watching the first 10 minutes or so, that his conclusions are completely bullshit.

It may sound reasonable at first to conclude from the number of positive tests in relation to overall tests on the infection of your overall population, but that would require your sample to be independent, in other words you randomly chose people to test (respecting age/gender/... distributions) and that's definitely not the case. Since people who are likely to have it are tested (based on symptoms, contacts etc.), the overall number of infections is likely to be much lower.
He then proceeds to deduct a mortality rate based on that ... That's were I stopped to watch. Those are very basic statistic principles anyone who claims to have 20+ years experience in research definitely would be aware of, so he is purposely misrepresenting facts. Thats not worth my time.
I assume he is later suggesting to soften the measures, which still might be the right thing to do, but not based on fabricated facts.

 

[Keihan]

Somehow, yet again, I've gotten myself sucked into working (unofficially) for the government and assisting with state and federal efforts to combat the virus so I've been sitting-in on a number of meetings and video-conferences with some pretty brilliant doctors and epidemiologists--rather than the idiot fucking politicians who are botching just about the entire response to this, which is my usual area of expertise--so even with my non-existent grasp of all things medical, there are a few key points I've been able to take away from these meetings that are simultaneously troubling and sobering yet practical and may be of interest to you folks. And I'm just repeating what I've heard, so if you've got a beef with it then don't blame me:

1) The entire concept of "testing" is bullshit. There is still no consensus on which test is most efficient, and while you hear a lot of politicians talking about "antibody tests" as the end-all-be-all solution, it isn't. Not by a country mile. Mass-testing won't solve shit.

2) "Herd Immunity" is also bullshit. What research is now showing is that even those who've recovered from COVID-19 may only remain immune for a period of 3-4 months, after which those people are now being re-infected.

3) They're now estimating that roughly half, if not more, of those who become infected with COVID-19 will be asymptomatic. That's good and terrifying at the same time.

4) Most importantly, this inspiring, hopeful and optimistic message you hear from all these singers and actors and politicians and other assholes about how "we're gonna get through this" and "just a little longer" is obscene bullshit, because the reality is that this virus is NOT going to be eradicated. We have no vaccine, no effective treatment and as governments begin to re-open, as they are now and inevitably will because they have to, we can expect future outbreaks.

The general consensus I've been hearing at round-table discussions with these experts, including state and federal assets (FEMA, CDC, Washington) and epidemiologists who have been deployed to outbreaks and epidemics around the world, is that the BEST CASE SCENARIO is that COVID-19 becomes the equivalent of the seasonal flu. It is not going away, and people will just need to come to terms with this new reality. Like the flu, we will, eventually, develop a vaccine and it may or may not be particularly effective. Like the flu, you can expect COVID-19 to return seasonally. Like the flu, it's going to kill people every year.

Unlike the seasonal flu, however, it will probably kill far less people each year. It's estimated that the seasonal flu will kill between 500k and 750k people worldwide this year, far more than COVID-19.

The real threat going forward will be (older) people dying of any number of other ailments because they can't get the medical resources they need because those resources are getting tied up by young people not being careful and getting themselves sick with COVID-19 (which they later recover from, unlike the old guy down the hall). Basically, if we're all not responsible about our conduct, more people will die but it won't be from COVID-19.

Therefore, state governments here stateside will soon begin propaganda campaigns (where I come in) encouraging people to remain vigilant (use masks, wash hands, social distance) for the sake of the elderly, even as cities re-open and people try to return to as much of a normal life as possible, because there will be a "new normal" and this virus is not going away.

My opinion is that this virus will inevitably and permanently change the culture in the western world. No more handshakes, hugs and kisses as greetings. Aversion to group activities and any sort of social closeness. Personally, I'm a major fucking germophobe so that's all fine with me, but anyone who thinks life is going to "go back to normal" again is in denial.

So sayeth the new Minister of Propaganda.

 

[Frenchy]

Somehow, yet again, I've gotten myself sucked into working (unofficially) for the government and assisting with state and federal efforts to combat the virus so I've been sitting-in on a number of meetings and video-conferences with some pretty brilliant doctors and epidemiologists--rather than the idiot fucking politicians who are botching just about the entire response to this, which is my usual area of expertise--so even with my non-existent grasp of all things medical, there are a few key points I've been able to take away from these meetings that are simultaneously troubling and sobering yet practical and may be of interest to you folks. And I'm just repeating what I've heard, so if you've got a beef with it then don't blame me:

1) The entire concept of "testing" is bullshit. There is still no consensus on which test is most efficient, and while you hear a lot of politicians talking about "antibody tests" as the end-all-be-all solution, it isn't. Not by a country mile. Mass-testing won't solve shit.

2) "Herd Immunity" is also bullshit. What research is now showing is that even those who've recovered from COVID-19 may only remain immune for a period of 3-4 months, after which those people are now being re-infected.

3) They're now estimating that roughly half, if not more, of those who become infected with COVID-19 will be asymptomatic. That's good and terrifying at the same time.

4) Most importantly, this inspiring, hopeful and optimistic message you hear from all these singers and actors and politicians and other assholes about how "we're gonna get through this" and "just a little longer" is obscene bullshit, because the reality is that this virus is NOT going to be eradicated. We have no vaccine, no effective treatment and as governments begin to re-open, as they are now and inevitably will because they have to, we can expect future outbreaks.

The general consensus I've been hearing at round-table discussions with these experts, including state and federal assets (FEMA, CDC, Washington) and epidemiologists who have been deployed to outbreaks and epidemics around the world, is that the BEST CASE SCENARIO is that COVID-19 becomes the equivalent of the seasonal flu. It is not going away, and people will just need to come to terms with this new reality. Like the flu, we will, eventually, develop a vaccine and it may or may not be particularly effective. Like the flu, you can expect COVID-19 to return seasonally. Like the flu, it's going to kill people every year.

Unlike the seasonal flu, however, it will probably kill far less people each year. It's estimated that the seasonal flu will kill between 500k and 750k people worldwide this year, far more than COVID-19.

The real threat going forward will be (older) people dying of any number of other ailments because they can't get the medical resources they need because those resources are getting tied up by young people not being careful and getting themselves sick with COVID-19 (which they later recover from, unlike the old guy down the hall). Basically, if we're all not responsible about our conduct, more people will die but it won't be from COVID-19.

Therefore, state governments here stateside will soon begin propaganda campaigns (where I come in) encouraging people to remain vigilant (use masks, wash hands, social distance) for the sake of the elderly, even as cities re-open and people try to return to as much of a normal life as possible, because there will be a "new normal" and this virus is not going away.

My opinion is that this virus will inevitably and permanently change the culture in the western world. No more handshakes, hugs and kisses as greetings. Aversion to group activities and any sort of social closeness. Personally, I'm a major fucking germophobe so that's all fine with me, but anyone who thinks life is going to "go back to normal" again is in denial.

So sayeth the new Minister of Propaganda.

thanks , very useful info

 

[Sudsy]

it will probably kill far less people each year

Coronaviruses tend to be more infectious but less deadly with every generation of the virus. If Covid mutates like others, then in ten years it could be mutated to the point of being a nasty variant of the common cold (which is itself a bunch of different coronavirus strains).

 

[Ken1988]

Coronaviruses tend to be more infectious but less deadly with every generation of the virus. If Covid mutates like others, then in ten years it could be mutated to the point of being a nasty variant of the common cold (which is itself a bunch of different coronavirus strains).

Yeah, hopefully the virus learns quickly what marriage is all about - killing your host instantly wouldn't do any good for yourself to live on...

 

[Keihan]

Coronaviruses tend to be more infectious but less deadly with every generation of the virus. If Covid mutates like others, then in ten years it could be mutated to the point of being a nasty variant of the common cold (which is itself a bunch of different coronavirus strains).

That's one of the main points that the doctor I report to is trying to get across but our state's politicians and bureaucrats can't get it through their heads: The common cold is, itself, a coronavirus, and we've been trying unsuccessfully for five decades to develop a vaccine for it...so take a wild guess where that leaves us with COVID-19.

That's the dilemma we find ourselves in. Very smart people (doctors) are trying to communicate some very complex and negative ideas to very dumb people (politicians, bureaucrats) who don't want to hear it and when things get lost in translation, they're forced to bring in a shameless bullshit artist who can translate facts into palatable politico-speak (me).

 

[Frenchy]

That's one of the main points that the doctor I report to is trying to get across but our state's politicians and bureaucrats can't get it through their heads: The common cold is, itself, a coronavirus, and we've been trying unsuccessfully for five decades to develop a vaccine for it...so take a wild guess where that leaves us with COVID-19.

That's the dilemma we find ourselves in. Very smart people (doctors) are trying to communicate some very complex and negative ideas to very dumb people (politicians, bureaucrats) who don't want to hear it and when things get lost in translation, they're forced to bring in a shameless bullshit artist who can translate facts into palatable politico-speak (me).

hey there is no silly job ... in fact this one seems quite useful

 

[RandomTokyoGuy]

Somehow, yet again, I've gotten myself sucked into working (unofficially) for the government and assisting with state and federal efforts to combat the virus so I've been sitting-in on a number of meetings and video-conferences with some pretty brilliant doctors and epidemiologists--rather than the idiot fucking politicians who are botching just about the entire response to this, which is my usual area of expertise--so even with my non-existent grasp of all things medical, there are a few key points I've been able to take away from these meetings that are simultaneously troubling and sobering yet practical and may be of interest to you folks. And I'm just repeating what I've heard, so if you've got a beef with it then don't blame me:

1) The entire concept of "testing" is bullshit. There is still no consensus on which test is most efficient, and while you hear a lot of politicians talking about "antibody tests" as the end-all-be-all solution, it isn't. Not by a country mile. Mass-testing won't solve shit.

2) "Herd Immunity" is also bullshit. What research is now showing is that even those who've recovered from COVID-19 may only remain immune for a period of 3-4 months, after which those people are now being re-infected.

3) They're now estimating that roughly half, if not more, of those who become infected with COVID-19 will be asymptomatic. That's good and terrifying at the same time.

4) Most importantly, this inspiring, hopeful and optimistic message you hear from all these singers and actors and politicians and other assholes about how "we're gonna get through this" and "just a little longer" is obscene bullshit, because the reality is that this virus is NOT going to be eradicated. We have no vaccine, no effective treatment and as governments begin to re-open, as they are now and inevitably will because they have to, we can expect future outbreaks.

The general consensus I've been hearing at round-table discussions with these experts, including state and federal assets (FEMA, CDC, Washington) and epidemiologists who have been deployed to outbreaks and epidemics around the world, is that the BEST CASE SCENARIO is that COVID-19 becomes the equivalent of the seasonal flu. It is not going away, and people will just need to come to terms with this new reality. Like the flu, we will, eventually, develop a vaccine and it may or may not be particularly effective. Like the flu, you can expect COVID-19 to return seasonally. Like the flu, it's going to kill people every year.

Unlike the seasonal flu, however, it will probably kill far less people each year. It's estimated that the seasonal flu will kill between 500k and 750k people worldwide this year, far more than COVID-19.

The real threat going forward will be (older) people dying of any number of other ailments because they can't get the medical resources they need because those resources are getting tied up by young people not being careful and getting themselves sick with COVID-19 (which they later recover from, unlike the old guy down the hall). Basically, if we're all not responsible about our conduct, more people will die but it won't be from COVID-19.

Therefore, state governments here stateside will soon begin propaganda campaigns (where I come in) encouraging people to remain vigilant (use masks, wash hands, social distance) for the sake of the elderly, even as cities re-open and people try to return to as much of a normal life as possible, because there will be a "new normal" and this virus is not going away.

My opinion is that this virus will inevitably and permanently change the culture in the western world. No more handshakes, hugs and kisses as greetings. Aversion to group activities and any sort of social closeness. Personally, I'm a major fucking germophobe so that's all fine with me, but anyone who thinks life is going to "go back to normal" again is in denial.

So sayeth the new Minister of Propaganda.

To my understanding antibody tests aren't supposed to check who has it, but rather who had it. So they solve a different purpose.
Are there any indications so far of covid-19 actually being seasonal? Afaik for flu that's contributed to weather conditions, but covid-19 so far doesn't seem to care if it's hot or cold or anything