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Hamerare said:
They laughed at Dean Martin but history proved them wrong
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Let's get it straight - you don't laugh AT Dean Martin. You laugh WITH Dean Martin.
 
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I laughed, only when he starred with Jerry Lewis tho.
Wwanderer said:
I do it to hide my real identity and thus separate my p4p and extra-marital np4p life from my conventional family and professional lives. Duh!

But why would PUA guys need to do that? What consequences do they fear if their PUA activities were linked to their real identities and why? It surprises me. Seriously.

-Ww
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I reckon it's easy to imagine why, curious to hear your take on it. Seems you got an opinion formed
 
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Wwanderer said:
I do it to hide my real identity and thus separate my p4p and extra-marital np4p life from my conventional family and professional lives. Duh!

But why would PUA guys need to do that? What consequences do they fear if their PUA activities were linked to their real identities and why? It surprises me. Seriously.

-Ww
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Come on Ww, so a PUA couldn't possibly have a family, professional life, or want privacy? Really?
 
Solong said:
so a PUA couldn't possibly have a family
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If they do, they are terrible fathers. The PUA approach depends extensively on having an overabundance of free time to squander. :sleep:
 
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Wwanderer said:
I do it to hide my real identity and thus separate my p4p and extra-marital np4p life from my conventional family and professional lives. Duh!

But why would PUA guys need to do that? What consequences do they fear if their PUA activities were linked to their real identities and why? It surprises me. Seriously.

-Ww
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Believe it or not, guys who pick up are normal functioning members of society with careers as well, and it's never good to bring up these kinds of topics in the workplace. It's safe to say a large part of society looks down on pickup, so it's no wonder really everybody isn't out there using their real name. Besides, what online forum community ever uses their real names anyway?

By and large people are just jealous and don't want you to be getting laid more than them
 
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Sinapse said:
By and large people are just jealous and don't want you to be getting laid more than them
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That would explain my unpopularity

Thamx for your insight bro! I can see Assumption Building is your strongpoint
 
Sinapse said:
Believe it or not, guys who pick up are normal functioning members of society with careers as well, and it's never good to bring up these kinds of topics in the workplace. It's safe to say a large part of society looks down on pickup, so it's no wonder really everybody isn't out there using their real name.
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OK, thanks. That's an answer I can understand. It does, however, somewhat contradict my previous impressions of the PUA "movement" and particularly those promoting/selling it. Used to protect one's identity, the pseudonyms seem to suggest that they are doing something a bit shady when I though that they were claiming that it is just ordinary self-improvement by building up skills and self-awareness in an ordinary life activity.

Besides, what online forum community ever uses their real names anyway?
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Uh...seriously? Well, there's
Facebook (maybe you've heard of it)
Linkedin
Nearly ever online forum/community for specific professions (e.g., attorneys, mechanical engineers, authors, ministers, reporters...)
Ditto for most conventional hobbies
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By and large people are just jealous and don't want you to be getting laid more than them
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LOL! :D

-Ww
 
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John Chavers said:
If they do, they are terrible fathers. The PUA approach depends extensively on having an overabundance of free time to squander. [emoji99]
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Yeah, because spending your kid's college tuition or inheritance on expensive prostitutes who care little for you, is morally superior.

Come on now, everybody has a hobby, nothing wrong with it being spent meeting and talking to pretty women who actually like you.
 
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Solong said:
Yeah, because spending your kid's college tuition or inheritance on expensive prostitutes who care little for you, is morally superior.
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I definitely agree that a man who spends so much on p4p that he can't properly take care of his children, including their education and leaving them a reasonable inheritance, is a terrible father and reprehensibly selfish.

But, SO WHAT? Does that have anything at all to do with PUA? Why do you keep wanting to cast the question as "Which is worse, p4p or PUA?" No matter how bad mongering is, even if it is worse than rape or murder or genocide or eating cute little kittens alive, by what possible logic does that make PUA any better? If you can see any logic at all in your argument, I hope you will explain it as clearly as possible.

-Ww
 
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Wwanderer said:
Uh...seriously? Well, there's
Facebook (maybe you've heard of it)
Linkedin
Nearly ever online forum/community for specific professions (e.g., attorneys, mechanical engineers, authors, ministers, reporters...)
Ditto for most conventional hobbies
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None of these are about having fast sex, often more than your fair share
 
Sinapse said:
None of these are about having fast sex, often more than your fair share
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Well, true enough, but what does that have to do with it? You asked this:

Sinapse said:
what online forum community ever uses their real names anyway?
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Those are a bunch of online forum/communities (among many possible examples) where people use their real names. Your question seemed irrelevant to me, but I tried to answer it anyway.

-Ww
 
Ok well those aren't forums.. I suppose there are forums where people might use their real names, but they're not the fun forums ;)
 
I am the Dorian Gray referred to above by Sinapse and have just registered on here in response to being mentioned. I can only give my own experience of gaming in Japan, which for me has always fallen under the nanpa heading. I wouldn't self-identify as a PUA because for me that term is linked to a certain corny time-bound Western scene that I've never been able to relate to. For me, the most sensible thing to do was learn from Japanese men who were having success with the women I wanted. Once I started doing that seriously and put in some hard work with talking to women on the street, I managed to do pretty much everything I'd ever wanted to. Nowadays I enjoy teaching and helping other people do the same (100+ students over about five years). Over this time I've seen how learning game has improved men's lives and given them increased confidence and happiness.

I don't approve of p4p for moral reasons; in other words I don't believe sexual acts should be turned into commodities. Nanpa is direct spontaneous action, and it's more fun. I always encourage people to build up their confidence and approach on the street rather than sell themselves short by degrading women through p4p (i.e. attaching a commodity value to a woman's body and turning her into a "service").

Anyway, I can vouch that Sinapse is a thoroughly wholesome young man with a clean appearance, a clean mind and a healthy body who is staying in shape at the gym and studying a lot. He also tends to have sex with hundreds of beautiful young strangers, for free, mostly by talking to them in public and being normal.
 
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Dorian Gray said:
I don't approve of p4p for moral reasons; in other words I don't believe sexual acts should be turned into commodities. Nanpa is direct spontaneous action, and it's more fun. I always encourage people to build up their confidence and approach on the street rather than sell themselves short by degrading women through p4p (i.e. attaching a commodity value to a woman's body and turning her into a "service").
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It would be interesting and a nice break from the recent extremely repetitive discussions of PUA/nampa to have a separate thread about the morality (or lack thereof) of commercial sex. The two are really apples and oranges for the most part in the sense that they don't even have the same goals for guys...at least as PUA/nampa has been described on TAG for the most part.

But for now, may I ask how much experience you have with commercial sex?

-Ww
 
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Dorian Gray said:
I am the Dorian Gray referred to above by Sinapse and have just registered on here in response to being mentioned. I can only give my own experience of gaming in Japan, which for me has always fallen under the nanpa heading. I wouldn't self-identify as a PUA because for me that term is linked to a certain corny time-bound Western scene that I've never been able to relate to. For me, the most sensible thing to do was learn from Japanese men who were having success with the women I wanted. Once I started doing that seriously and put in some hard work with talking to women on the street, I managed to do pretty much everything I'd ever wanted to. Nowadays I enjoy teaching and helping other people do the same (100+ students over about five years). Over this time I've seen how learning game has improved men's lives and given them increased confidence and happiness.

I don't approve of p4p for moral reasons; in other words I don't believe sexual acts should be turned into commodities. Nanpa is direct spontaneous action, and it's more fun. I always encourage people to build up their confidence and approach on the street rather than sell themselves short by degrading women through p4p (i.e. attaching a commodity value to a woman's body and turning her into a "service").

Anyway, I can vouch that Sinapse is a thoroughly wholesome young man with a clean appearance, a clean mind and a healthy body who is staying in shape at the gym and studying a lot. He also tends to have sex with hundreds of beautiful young strangers, for free, mostly by talking to them in public and being normal.
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Moral reasons......c'mon...... gimme a frickin break.......
 
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Wwanderer said:
It would be interesting and a nice break from the recent extremely repetitive discussions of PUA/nampa to have a separate thread about the morality (or lack thereof) of commercial sex. The two are really apples and oranges for the most part in the sense that they don't even have the same goals for guys...at least as PUA/nampa has been described on TAG for the most part.

But for now, may I ask how much experience you have with commercial sex?

-Ww
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I've had sex with sex workers who were off-duty (approached on street or in bars), AV stars etc. but have never paid out (other than buying myself more alcohol). My refusal is mainly for moral/ideological reasons. But I'd be interested to hear a defense of it.
 
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just4fun said:
This is what I want to hear about.......
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It's pretty basic, I don't believe in paying for something (conversation, fun times and sex with women) that in my view isn't a commodity. Experience has taught me that it's possible to have as much sex as I want, with the women I want, in as many numbers as I want, without needing to burden the interaction with a monetary transaction. Experience has also taught me that I'm far from unique in being in this position, and that other men can do the same, which tends to leave them feeling happy and empowered, with a greater sense of freedom, abundance and possibility. I believe that p4p creates a distorted and somewhat unwholesome view of human relationships and sexual interactions. Therefore, encouraging people to game rather than p4p seems more moral to me, because confident, satisfied, empowered dudes are generally more attractive to women, and in my experience, get better reactions from women in general. But I'm down to hear what you, Wwanderer, or anyone else has to say.
 
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Dorian Gray said:
It's pretty basic, I don't believe in paying for something that in my view isn't a commodity.
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So you change the oil in your car yourself, dry clean your own clothes, and file your own taxes? :banghead:
 
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Solong said:
Yeah, because spending your kid's college tuition or inheritance on expensive prostitutes who care little for you, is morally superior
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With p4p, there are varying levels of service and pricing. I don't spend anywhere near enough to affect my kids' future tuition. Invested wisely, money will continue to grow.

With PUA, it's always a giant time suck to pull one. @Sinapse, @Dorian Gray, @Solong: show us a time diary of how much you spent spamming these women? :singing:
 
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John Chavers said:
With p4p, there are varying levels of service and pricing. I don't spend anywhere near enough to affect my kids' future tuition. Invested wisely, money will continue to grow.

With PUA, it's always a giant time suck to pull one. @Sinapse, @Dorian Gray, @Solong: show us a time diary of how much you spent spamming these women? :singing:
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Pulled 6 LINE contacts today, in a little over 2 hours, while drinking coffee and studying Kanji. Didn't even move from my seat.

And as a matter of record, very likely at least 2 will meet me on a date. Odds are good, I will have sex with 1 of them. As far as I'm concerned, 2 hours and practice speaking Japanese well spent. I'm not anti-social or a hermit, so don't mind talking to pretty women.

Had I went the P4P route, at least 20,000 to 60,000 yen would be missing from my pocket for that period of time, in Japan. I've got nothing against either direction, do as you like.

Oh, and meeting a woman at 8:30pm today, to see the new Star Wars movie, and who we met on the train. Our 2nd date, and she will be wearing sexy lingerie for me (per our previous discussion). I will find out how she looks in it, sometime after the movie.
 
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