A question to those men who have no reason to use P4P...

I see, and I get the point. But the last 7 year stint was enough "best and worst times." Now I am sowing the seeds so I can reap the benefits when I'm older! I am 1 year out of college at 25 making 120k, not including my bonus. If I hit all my goals, I should get close to 270k total compensation by 30.
What! Most of us were making much more than that before 30 and we still had plenty of time for romancing the ladies! Dude you gotta problem. I guess you better focus on your goals. I suggest you learn to do sit-ups while reading the WSJ on your iPad. And don't ever talk to women. They are a complete waste of time.
 
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What! Most of us were making much more than that before 30 and we still had plenty of time for romancing the ladies!

That's interesting, I'm in the top 0.6% salary for my age in the US. Guess there are some really loaded dudes on TAG!
 
Old enough to not care when people ask me my age, young enough to be enjoying my youth when guys like you ask!
So you enjoy your youth most when people older than you ask your age and you are in the .6% of the highest paid people in your age group. To complete the picture, please let us know your waist size, height and what percentage of your weight you can bench press. And if you care to say, what you SAT scores were.
 
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So you enjoy your youth most when people older than you ask your age and you are in the .6% of the highest paid people in your age group. To complete the picture, please let us know your waist size, height and what percentage of your weight you can bench press. And if you care to say, what you SAT scores were.

Just bench? Why not squats, deadlifts, OHP? Would you also like a video so you can check my form? You're funny and reading comprehension isn't a strength, or maybe it's just your eye sight going. Have a good day!
 
Just bench? Why not squats, deadlifts, OHP? Would you also like a video so you can check my form? You're funny and reading comprehension isn't a strength, or maybe it's just your eye sight going. Have a good day!
I am now interested to know where you found a source that indicates your salary ranking to the 10th of a percent! And broken down by age too! Holy shit! I think maybe it was at www.seriouslyinsecure.com.
 
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Hi, I’m terribly poor by the above standards (I neither broke six figures my first year out of school nor ... ever?), but I’m on the right side of all other qualities, grew up when the internet was awesome but before SNS, regular apps, and smartphones tracked all details about you, so like others have attested I was having a great time meeting women and having my life changed by experiences good, bad, phenomenal, and disastrous.

So why p4p, and specifically “establishment” p4p as opposed to independents?

Well, we’re in Japan, so I’m super surprised no one has answered “because I’m curious” or “because I was told ‘no’.” Perhaps it’s just me coming from Good-boy town USA, but I didn’t grow up with a culture of having regular access to sexworkers (and if I did, I wasn’t tuned into it because at the time I associated its with either great expense or risk), and certainly would not have had a problem getting inside because of my race or language ability. I’m sure I’m not the only one. It would be unthinkable to have a bro-bonding moment with coworkers/friends by going down to a pink salon, as would it be a 40/50-something go-nowhere salarymen who could walk into a soap land and be treated like a king for a fair price without signing his life away. So again, I don’t know much about it, am told it’s bad, and am told I’m not welcome - so of course I’m interested.

Most of anything, I was interested to know what kind of women were working here. While I didn’t grow up with soaplands, sexy kyabas, or out-in-the-open pink salons, of course we had escorts, doms, and fetish groups, and I had friends and partners in the last two groups and only met interesting people with great stories and often standout personalities. That being said, for my case no money exchanged hands. (Maybe I could have, I don’t know.) The only people I knew who were professional sex-workers were either doing full on porn and we’re doing well for themselves (Dana Dearmond) or someone had found out about their exploits and it had gone fucking terribly since (my hometown was within range of bangbus/bangbrosn and even worse imitations, and RIP Connie and Clint.)

My job had me traveling quite a bit domestically and internationally, so my first experiences of any kind of p4p were in Osaka, and it was pretty fucking great. I had anticipated much less conversation, and I didn’t have to like, show my ID or anything.

I didn’t have any weird accidents, so I’m now a little older and have had a partner for some time. I still trave, and now that I know what’s behind the curtain I have to go along with others and say that if/when I do engage in any kind of p4p (to include just hitting up a girl’s bar) it’s because of convenience/time and to an extent, discretion. If I choose to spend my time with you, I’m glad we can share a moment but it’s not going to change into something where you’re my life partner. In that way, the Charlie Sheen quote rings true for sure. (Recently I had one provider change from exchanging contact info for scheduling ease to contacting way too much, but outside of that it’s been consistent.

So there you go: curiosity, being told “no”, and then later for sake of time and now finally discretion.
 
I am now interested to know where you found a source that indicates your salary ranking to the 10th of a percent! And broken down by age too! Holy shit! I think maybe it was at www.seriouslyinsecure.com.

My expertise is analytics and data science, not an uncommon metric to be contemplating. maybe you are the insecure one since you just can't let it go. definitely the less educated one as you didn't even know data like this was collected or would ask why anyone would be interested in looking at the various dimensions of this data to a 10th of a percent! holy shit!

http://whatsmypercent.com/data/

The data behind that is from the US census.
 
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My expertise is analytics and data science, not an uncommon metric to be contemplating. maybe you are the insecure one since you just can't let it go. definitely the less educated one as you didn't even know data like this was collected or would ask why anyone would be interested in looking at the various dimensions of this data to a 10th of a percent! holy shit!

Wow, I totally didn't get you are a black millennial woman with a bachelor's degree. I mean that's the only way to make your salary to be in 1% bracket.

But that is interesting data they have there. It shows how much the millennials are really fucked in the ass with no lube in the USA. Amongst them you really need to be in that 1% bracket to be ever able to buy an apartment or have a decent living. While even the average Generation X guys were sure to be able to raise a family in peace of their own houses with gardens.

Of course that data is from 2014 when you were still drinking cheap beer in school but I don't expect it has gone any better for you.
 
My expertise is analytics and data science, not an uncommon metric to be contemplating. maybe you are the insecure one since you just can't let it go. definitely the less educated one as you didn't even know data like this was collected or would ask why anyone would be interested in looking at the various dimensions of this data to a 10th of a percent! holy shit!

http://whatsmypercent.com/data/

The data behind that is from the US census.

Ok @hudsonfan and @warubuta and @MikeH , i may not be the most qualified to play the “on topic please” police but frankly your dialog now is boring to death
Lets revert to all those 6-pack successful young Adonises who still enjoy P4P ... :D
 
Lets revert to all those 6-pack successful young Adonises who still enjoy P4P ... :D

Well, at least now we know what kinds of things you do enjoy! :eek::D
 
Hi, I’m terribly poor by the above standards (I neither broke six figures my first year out of school nor ... ever?), but I’m on the right side of all other qualities, grew up when the internet was awesome but before SNS, regular apps, and smartphones tracked all details about you, so like others have attested I was having a great time meeting women and having my life changed by experiences good, bad, phenomenal, and disastrous.

So why p4p, and specifically “establishment” p4p as opposed to independents?

Well, we’re in Japan, so I’m super surprised no one has answered “because I’m curious” or “because I was told ‘no’.” Perhaps it’s just me coming from Good-boy town USA, but I didn’t grow up with a culture of having regular access to sexworkers (and if I did, I wasn’t tuned into it because at the time I associated its with either great expense or risk), and certainly would not have had a problem getting inside because of my race or language ability. I’m sure I’m not the only one. It would be unthinkable to have a bro-bonding moment with coworkers/friends by going down to a pink salon, as would it be a 40/50-something go-nowhere salarymen who could walk into a soap land and be treated like a king for a fair price without signing his life away. So again, I don’t know much about it, am told it’s bad, and am told I’m not welcome - so of course I’m interested.

Most of anything, I was interested to know what kind of women were working here. While I didn’t grow up with soaplands, sexy kyabas, or out-in-the-open pink salons, of course we had escorts, doms, and fetish groups, and I had friends and partners in the last two groups and only met interesting people with great stories and often standout personalities. That being said, for my case no money exchanged hands. (Maybe I could have, I don’t know.) The only people I knew who were professional sex-workers were either doing full on porn and we’re doing well for themselves (Dana Dearmond) or someone had found out about their exploits and it had gone fucking terribly since (my hometown was within range of bangbus/bangbrosn and even worse imitations, and RIP Connie and Clint.)

My job had me traveling quite a bit domestically and internationally, so my first experiences of any kind of p4p were in Osaka, and it was pretty fucking great. I had anticipated much less conversation, and I didn’t have to like, show my ID or anything.

I didn’t have any weird accidents, so I’m now a little older and have had a partner for some time. I still trave, and now that I know what’s behind the curtain I have to go along with others and say that if/when I do engage in any kind of p4p (to include just hitting up a girl’s bar) it’s because of convenience/time and to an extent, discretion. If I choose to spend my time with you, I’m glad we can share a moment but it’s not going to change into something where you’re my life partner. In that way, the Charlie Sheen quote rings true for sure. (Recently I had one provider change from exchanging contact info for scheduling ease to contacting way too much, but outside of that it’s been consistent.

So there you go: curiosity, being told “no”, and then later for sake of time and now finally discretion.

Thanks, I like the “because I was told no” reason, I get why it can increase the desire to at least try.
I didn’t understand that sentence (sorry we’re not all Americans here...) :

(my hometown was within range of bangbus/bangbrosn and even worse imitations, and RIP Connie and Clint.)
 
Ok @hudsonfan and @warubuta and @MikeH , i may not be the most qualified to play the “on topic please” police but frankly your dialog now is boring to death
Lets revert to all those 6-pack successful young Adonises who still enjoy P4P ... :D

Fair point, will let those ojiichan stay salty :ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO:


Thanks, I like the “because I was told no” reason, I get why it can increase the desire to at least try.

It's an old old saying in human societies about forbidden fruit tasting sweeter...
 
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I didn’t understand that sentence (sorry we’re not all Americans here...

You never heard about Bangbus? Man, have you ever even watched bad porn? :D

This is not badmouthing them but how they advertise: "Bangbus where hundreds of the hottest amateur girls picked right off the street, banged on the road and then tossed back out to the curb!". :eek::D
 
You never heard about Bangbus? Man, have you ever even watched bad porn? :D

This is not badmouthing them but how they advertise: "Bangbus where hundreds of the hottest amateur girls picked right off the street, banged on the road and then tossed back out to the curb!". :eek::D

Its legal?!
 
It's an old old saying in human societies about forbidden fruit tasting sweeter...

True, but my question was more about the hunks who do P4P mainly or exclusively, not just once out of curiosity. I should have been more clear on that point.
 
True, but my question was more about the hunks who do P4P mainly or exclusively, not just once out of curiosity. I should have been more clear on that point.

The relationship is fundamentally different. In P4P you pay for a service, you have no obligations to the other party other than basic decorum and respect, she leaves after the session and you go on your way. You get a very particular scratch itched by, hypothetically, a very experienced pro.

If you are a normal person who doesn't see relationships with women as "pump and dump" schemes, inevitably you may be asked to help with her aging mother's house, her younger brother who is entering the same field as you and could use a referral. There is much more obligation in order for you to not look like an asshole who is just around for sex.

And I'm not saying there's anything wrong with the second scenario. People just look for different things at different times in their life.
 
The relationship is fundamentally different. In P4P you pay for a service, you have no obligations to the other party other than basic decorum and respect, she leaves after the session and you go on your way. You get a very particular scratch itched by, hypothetically, a very experienced pro.

If you are a normal person who doesn't see relationships with women as "pump and dump" schemes, inevitably you may be asked to help with her aging mother's house, her younger brother who is entering the same field as you and could use a referral. There is much more obligation in order for you to not look like an asshole who is just around for sex.

And I'm not saying there's anything wrong with the second scenario. People just look for different things at different times in their life.

Ok so in short P4P = low maintenance (apart from the financial damage) , “normal” relationship = high maintenance. And sugaring somehow between the two I guess.
I mean maintenance in a broad sense here.
 
Ok so in short P4P = low maintenance (apart from the financial damage) , “normal” relationship = high maintenance. And sugaring somehow between the two I guess.

Not always though; I've seen several sugaring arrangements which have been high maintenance with high financial damage... :eek:
 
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Not always though; I've seen several sugaring arrangements which have been high maintenance with high financial damage... :eek:
Yes, i know that too. Still not sure its because of my own masochistic tendencies or because I really like the lady. Probably a bit of both.