Beginners Guide To Hostess Bars

[GoldenDalton]

The women are said to become very predatory and into scamming men, as well as develop a lot of disdain or disrespect for their male customers or men in general. Men become marks, targets, toys, etc...

Thinking about how much lying and scamming she must do to men almost every day. It gets to the point, that the CHARACTER that she is playing at the hostess bar BECOMES her. The separation of her true personality and that of a hostess erodes to where it becomes intertwined and she herself may not know the difference.

The hostess mindset seeps deep into their thinking, so that it corrupts and makes it difficult for her to have normal relationships with men.

P4P can do a similar type of damage to the mind and a woman's ability to have normal relationships with men. However, the difference being that for many OTHER type of P4P women, she can be HONEST about money and sex. Actually the opposite of the spectrum, as in brutal honesty. There isn't an environment or subculture of lying and deception in many other P4P environments, to the extent that it is with hostesses.

In other forms of P4P, the women don't take their work home with them or always must play a fake role. Prostitution is more 9 to 5, clear sex for money, and then they do whatever.

However, keep in mind that being a hostess is arguably another form of P4P. There are a lot of hostesses with Sugar Daddies (Sponsors) and who do have sex with SOME of her customers. Often the bar owner or manager pushing or TELLING her WHO she is to have sex with. They can also suggest who she is to sleep with, in a sneaky type of manipulative way. The bar's control over a hostess can get very DEEP.

And it's sex with the customers and having sponsors on her PERSONAL time, that becomes part of the blurring process. The sponsors can require the same emotional energy as with any boyfriend or her customers BECOME her boyfriends. Unlike other P4P where sex and money exchange is more clearly cut and dry, sponsors are often treated like boyfriends, even if she DESPISES him. Making for all sorts of very convoluted thinking and double-mindedness.

She can have to continously "play" the hostess character not just at the bar, but OUTSIDE of it as well, with her many sponsors or meeting with customers before and after the bar opens and closes. It wears and breaks her down mentally. So at the 2 year mark is considered the point where she has truly become the "hostess". That is now who she is, inside and out.

Damn. I feel bad for them, then. It sounds like the people who run these businesses are worse than those with p4p. I never thought about it being more predatory than p 4p. I guess p4p is kind of an "honest exchange" by comparison, like you stated.

 

[GoldenDalton]

I don't know any normal well adjusted women anywhere?

Lol.

 

[GoldenDalton]

May be true 4 some but not all. People say that mongers cant interact normaly with women, yet many of us r happily married n capable of balancing both sides

Yeah I've heard that, but I've had no problems nor have seen any. Then again, like most guys I tend to like the women I see (p4p and non p4p). I'm guessing that we don't tend to run into the kind of rotten guys in this pastime, though. I'm guessing they don't broadcast their misdeeds.

On an unrelated note- Kiowa teenage boys are informally expected to provide teenage girls with venison/duck/other meat for a period of time as a part of mating. This has faded somewhat with Christianity which emphasizes more chastity, but I always felt like that was a more honest approach than the mainstream. Women learn to appreciate themselves and men's efforts while men learn to accept and understand they have to meet women's needs too , without being bitter. But then again European ideas of romance have their own benefits I guess. Just bored so I through they out there. In way, that's "p4p."
Before whites arrived we had serial marriages based on a lot of that. Though I'm not sure if that's a better approach.

 

[GoldenDalton]

I don't think that most mongers have a job to specifically con and scam women professionally nor are pushed to do it at a high level. What hostesses are required to do is a bit different, and they are rewarded for it.

However, there are women who can compartmentalize better than others, so can be better at personal relationships.
We may also be talking about the level of hostessing that she is doing. A 22 year old college student doing it part time, versus a 28 year old woman where it has become her primary job. That's why I think the length of time is also important. Was she doing it more than 2 years? Is it her primary job?

All the hostesses that I've dated were clearly affected by the job and BURN OUT a clear occupational hazard. From smoking, drinking, hating customers and sponsors, or feeling trapped wishing to do something else later.

A lot of hostesses simply lack the job SKILLS to do other things or they get totally sucked in and consumed into that world and mindset.

Some were making good money, that it was also matter of her thinking to rake in cash now, then escaping later (MAYBE). Interestingly, I only met 1 half Japanese and White woman that did such. And guess what? While together, she was talking about opening her own bar. So back in she was planning to go, with the clear intent to hustle male customers and the women working for her. Then there are the hostess that BLOW ALL the money they made, or get out for a while and spend all their money, and BACK in they go because being broke. All those vacations, designer labels, and that lavish life style COST a lot. So BACK in, at maybe another hostess bar, for more cash. But it often seems like it's just NOT enough cash. Knowing how to save and invest money is a SKILL in itself that many don't have. Many of us, when we get more money, SPEND more money and so have nothing later.

And many who dated me or guys outside the hostessing world, seemed to specifically do so, as to make me their mental escape from the hostessing. Dating and having sex with regular guys, despite sponsors or hostess work commitments, was like an FU to the hostessing world. But we didn't last, nor do I have any pals that dated hostesses where the story ended well.

It comes down to JOB skills again. You get a hostess pregnant, then what? Are you a rich guy and she never has to work again? I hope so, because I've seen hostesses with kids and no or broke husbands, and more bad stories. Are you a rich prince that wants to rescue a conniving and manipulative hostess so that she will parasitically live off of you for the rest of her life? And the rich friends I know, have no problem DUMPING one hostess for ANOTHER.

I've met some of my hostess girlfriends years later, and a lot of my Okinawan ones. Terrible. The smoking, drinking, and lifestyle just kicking or kicked their ass. Another hazard, AGEING faster than normal and health problems. And you could clearly see and hear the scamming and hustling mindset. Where you could feel sorry for them, was more because of how cute or sexy they looked, but isn't that their HOOK? Like a pretty Venus fly trap.

It's not to say we didn't have fun or that guys can't meet a hostess and have a great sexual time, but how will the story end?

Crazy that guys will go after that again and again , despite total, repeated failure.

 

[Solong]

Damn. I feel bad for them, then. It sounds like the people who run these businesses are worse than those with p4p. I never thought about it being more predatory than p 4p. I guess p4p is kind of an "honest exchange" by comparison, like you stated.

Unless a guy is very clear about what is going on and very skilled about being in the hostess environment, I would recommend P4P instead. But I know some guys will want the experience of seeing what it's like.

Most guys are going to blow HUNDREDS of dollars, get shit faced drunk, and have NOTHING to show for it but blue balls.

Guys sexing hostess women are often spending CRAZY cash, and way more than common up front P4P exchanges. They are throwing down so much money, that the bar owner or manager will PUSH his hostesses to SLEEP with him in order to keep him. Fearing he may choose a different bar to spend his cash.

The other type is a kind of Japanese Pickup Artist for hostesses. This is the LESS usual way than guys spending ridiculous cash, and more a poor man's game. They seem to get off on specifically having accomplished getting sex from hostesses. However, this requires a HIGH level of skill, where the same guy would arguably be MUCH BETTER off picking up regular women. And many times, these guys are young (under 30) and/or unusually good looking or better looking than average, so it seems silly for them to WASTE such effort on playing games with hostesses. But it's a kind of SPORT for them.

These guys often have SEVERAL hostess bars they go to. They have many techniques to minimize their spending. One of them is if your girlfriend or female friend is a hostess at the bar, she will protect you a bit. They also know the cheaper bars, or they befriend girls OUTSIDE of the bar at a nearby hang out, before coming in. These guys often look to pick off hostesses that are:

1. New

They may even mentor the new hostess, and explain how things go (his version). Thus he becomes her first sponsor or customer she has sex with.

2. Those hostesses that get horny when drunk or wild after they drink.

Usually newer hostesses or part-timers get popped this way. So more high level bars and bar managers may have the women driven home or escorted directly to the taxi.

An alternate route is the guy has the drunk hostess meet him at a club or disco after her bar closes and nearby, then take her home. He may also get her address or nearby train station close to her house. Then meets her there, even if the bar manager drives her home.

3. Figure out her work schedule and habits, then try to get a date on her day off.

4. Figure out where she lives, and try to con their way into her apartment with various excuses and tricks.

This is where hostesses can have problems with stalkers or creepy customers. NOT all the guys trying to pick them up in this way, are like that though. He may use the information to meet her at a convenience store near her house and make it look accidental.

5. Figure out where she hangs out before or after work, or on her days off.

Some hostesses are going to gyms or have specific activities that the hostess club pickup artist can use as a hook.

But even if the hostess is having casual sex with customers, there is often a huge PUSH by bar owners and managers for her to date OR have sex with customers THEY choose. If she doesn't, she may get fired (but for other excuses to hide why), she makes LESS money than other women, or she is looked down on (which creates pressure). And it doesn't have to be they push her to date rich customers, it can be they use her for pushing customers to drink or in drinking games. Thus wear out her liver.

There is a lot of psychological tactics used by bar managers (who may be other WOMEN) to pressure women into complying with what the bar wants. They tend to find a purpose or way to use each girl.

 

[GoldenDalton]

Unless a guy is very clear about what is going on and very skilled about being in the hostess environment, I would recommend P4P instead. But I know some guys will want the experience of seeing what it's like.

Most guys are going to blow HINDREDS of dollars, get shit faced drunk, and have NOTHING to show for it but blue balls.

Guys sexing hostess women are often spending CRAZY cash, and way more than common up front P4P exchanges. They are throwing down so much money, that the bar owner or manager will PUSH his hostesses to SLEEP with him in order to keep him. Fearing he may choose a different bar to spend his cash.

The other type is a kind of Japanese Pickup Artist for hostesses. This is the LESS usual way than guys spending ridiculous cash, and more a poor man's game. They seem to get off on specifically having accomplished getting sex from hostesses. However, this requires a HIGH level of skill, where the same guy would arguably be MUCH BETTER off picking up regular women. And many times, these guys are young (under 30) and/or unusually good looking or better looking than average, so it seems silly for them to WASTE such effort on playing games with hostesses. But it's a kind of SPORT for them.

These guys often have SEVERAL hostess bars they go to. They have many techniques to minimize their spending. One of them is if your girlfriend or female friend is a hostess at the bar, she will protect you a bit. They also know the cheaper bars, or they befriend girls OUTSIDE of the bar at a nearby hang out, before coming in. These guys often look to pick off hostesses that are:

1. New

They may even mentor the new hostess, and explain how things go (his version). Thus he becomes her first sponsor or customer she has sex with.

2. Those hostesses that get horny when drunk or wild after they drink.

Usually newer hostesses or part-timers get popped this way. So more high level bars and bar managers may have the women driven home or escorted directly to the taxi.

An alternate route is the guy has the drunk hostess meet him at a club or disco after her bar closes and nearby, then take her home. He may also get her address or nearby train station close to her house. Then meets her there, even if the bar manager drives her home.

3. Figure out her work schedule and habits, then try to get a date on her day off.

4. Figure out where she lives, and try to con their way into her apartment with various excuses and tricks.

This is where hostesses can have problems with stalkers or creepy customers. NOT all the guys trying to pick them up in this way, are like that though. He may use the information to meet her at a convenience store near her house and make it look accidental.

5. Figure out where she hangs out before or after work, or on her days off.

Some hostesses are going to gyms or have specific activities that the hostess club pickup artist can use as a hook.

But even if the hostess is having casual sex with customers, there is often a huge PUSH by bar owners and managers for her to date and have sex with customers THEY choose. If she doesn't, she may get fired (but for other excuses to hide why), she makes LESS money than other women, or she is looked down on (which creates pressure). And it doesn't have to be they push her to date rich customers, it can be they use her for pushing customers to drink or in drinking games. Thus wear out her liver.

There is a lot of psychological tactics used by bar managers (who may be other WOMEN) to pressure women into complying with what the bar wants. They tend to find a purpose or way to use each girl.

It's hard to imagine how that could be fun for anyone involved. I guess it's an aspect of japanese culture I will never get.

 

[Solong]

It's hard to imagine how that could be fun for anyone involved. I guess it's an aspect of japanese culture I will never get.

It's very Japanese style and an embedded tradition. Truly, I'm amazed how Japanese guys let themselves get played like that. But I think it's because they don't know other alternatives. Though it's SLOWLY starting to change with younger Japanese men.

Korea and Taiwan, physically and culturally close countries to Japan, do it DIFFERENTLY. In fact, I LIKED the Taiwanese style best.

In Taiwan, there is way LESS cloak and dagger bullshit. You can choose among the hostess women, and if they like you and you like her, she will go to a hotel of your choosing after the bar closes ( and the bar closes early at 12:30 to 1am). It's a nice hybrid between Japanese hostess clubs and P4P. And the Taiwanese hostess clubs were of equal quality as the Japanese ones, in terms of the look of the bars and beauty of the women.

 

[John Chavers]

You can choose among the hostess women, and if they like you and you like her, she will go to a hotel of your choosing after the bar closes ( and the bar closes early at 12:30 to 1am). It's a nice hybrid between Japanese hostess clubs and P4P. And the Taiwanese hostess clubs were of equal quality as the Japanese ones, in terms of the look of the bars and beauty of the women.

In Japan this is called お持ち帰り, and there are several Chinese bars up in Shinjuku that offer it.

 

[Solong]

In Japan this is called お持ち帰り, and there are several Chinese bars up in Shinjuku that offer it.

Have you tried an omochikaeri bar or know of a particular bar that you would recommend?

Learned something new, thanks. I wasn't aware that they had the Taiwanese style in Japan, but I wonder how close it truly is.

Shinjuku is famous for the mainland Chinese (not Taiwanese) massage girls. So I'm wondering about the quality.

For instance, I've been to a variation of the deai-cafe in Shinjuku, where it was like a pickup bar. Forgot the name, but it's in the same building that has Momo Cafe and Kirari. I think the 2nd or 3rd floor of that same building. The experience was low level, and about the same as a deai-cafe, in fact it's better to go to a real one by comparison.

 

[John Chavers]

 

[Solong]

Something else to be said about the Taiwanese hostess bar style, is the guy has the option to drink or play, but with a dash of class and style.

A level of class and style not offered at say Filipina Buy Me Drinky bars. Where it can look and feel very low class or the scamming and money-digging is too obvious.

If you just want to drink and talk, there you go. You got more energy or feeling manly, then you can take a lady out.

There also wasn't a feeling of being scammed, tricked, sneakiness, or taking a loss like in Japanese hostess bars. Sweet talk, pretend to like you, push guys to pay crazy money on drinks, and then the Japanese hostess waves BYE BYE. Enjoy puking and those blue balls.

 

[Hamerare]

The smaller cheaper neigborhood kinda hostess bars have far fewer predatory pro hostesses since gains n salary r much smaller.

The xpensive glitzy J hostess bars in Shibuya n Roppongi r worth a visit just 1ce 2 meet the kinda ladies Solong describes

U will c a lotta young working class guys at the cheaper bars. They typikly work in small companies without female employees n hope 2 meet a girl this way. Marriages r not uncommon

 

[Hamerare]

Hostess bars reduce the salary of unpopular girls 2 get them 2 leave. They depend on a hi turnover of new faces 2 keep the regular customers coming back

 

[Minato Namikaze]

I don't think that most mongers have a job to specifically con and scam women professionally nor are pushed to do it at a high level. What hostesses are required to do is a bit different, and they are rewarded for it.

However, there are women who can compartmentalize better than others, so can be better at personal relationships.
We may also be talking about the level of hostessing that she is doing. A 22 year old college student doing it part time, versus a 28 year old woman where it has become her primary job. That's why I think the length of time is also important. Was she doing it more than 2 years? Is it her primary job?

All the hostesses that I've dated were clearly affected by the job and BURN OUT a clear occupational hazard. From smoking, drinking, hating customers and sponsors, or feeling trapped wishing to do something else later.

A lot of hostesses simply lack the job SKILLS to do other things or they get totally sucked in and consumed into that world and mindset.

Some were making good money, that it was also matter of her thinking to rake in cash now, then escaping later (MAYBE). Interestingly, I only met 1 half Japanese and White woman that did such. And guess what? While together, she was talking about opening her own bar. So back in she was planning to go, with the clear intent to hustle male customers and the women working for her. Then there are the hostess that BLOW ALL the money they made, or get out for a while and spend all their money, and BACK in they go because being broke. All those vacations, designer labels, and that lavish life style COST a lot. So BACK in, at maybe another hostess bar, for more cash. But it often seems like it's just NOT enough cash. Knowing how to save and invest money is a SKILL in itself that many don't have. Many of us, when we get more money, SPEND more money and so have nothing later.

And many who dated me or guys outside the hostessing world, seemed to specifically do so, as to make me their mental escape from the hostessing. Dating and having sex with regular guys, despite sponsors or hostess work commitments, was like an FU to the hostessing world. But we didn't last, nor do I have any pals that dated hostesses where the story ended well.

It comes down to JOB skills again. You get a hostess pregnant, then what? Are you a rich guy and she never has to work again? I hope so, because I've seen hostesses with kids and no or broke husbands, and more bad stories. Are you a rich prince that wants to rescue a conniving and manipulative hostess so that she will parasitically live off of you for the rest of her life? And the rich friends I know, have no problem DUMPING one hostess for ANOTHER.

I've met some of my hostess girlfriends years later, and a lot of my Okinawan ones. Terrible. The smoking, drinking, and lifestyle just kicking or kicked their ass. Another hazard, AGEING faster than normal and health problems. And you could clearly see and hear the scamming and hustling mindset. Where you could feel sorry for them, was more because of how cute or sexy they looked, but isn't that their HOOK? Like a pretty Venus fly trap.

It's not to say we didn't have fun or that guys can't meet a hostess and have a great sexual time, but how will the story end?

I was going to write a very long wall of text that further explains the hostess life and agenda, but this guy pretty much nailed it. Hammer of Thor style.

Most women do these kind of jobs as a means to support their lavish lifestyle.

Some do it for quick and big cash.

Others see it as a dead end.

Again, I shall reiterate. Beyond the nights of partying, laughing, drinking and drinking, there is only one thing that beckons when the ashes subsides. It's a sad world.

 

[Solong]

Even if they escape the alcohol poisoning, the late hours are terrible for their long-term health. Unless you're consistently in the top three spots in a high-end bar, the commissions aren't that great either.

Thus, many turn to having sponsors (sugar-daddies) or sex with the customers. And the bar owners and managers will often encourage it. Even top hostesses making good money, can succumb to sex with SOME customers out of pure GREED and along with gold-digging schemes and antics. It's also mathematical. At some point a customer is going to catch her being horny on the right day. This is what too many guys are spending weeks and months blowing rent money on. The day the slot machine hits 777 or the LOTTO moment, and they finally get laid from a Japanese hostess, after spending a fortune in the joint (craziness). Bad ROI (Return On investment).

But still, can understand at least wanting to see and experience what it feels like to be in a Japanese hostess club. Just don't recommend often or getting addicted.

Alcohol, smoke, and late hours definitely SPEED UP the ageing process for most.

 

[ryemoo]

I've dated a couple of these types of girls and the warning sign there just playing you is mood swings and arguments. There keeping up an act and it stresses them. It's a difficult act to keep up outside of work 24/7. The argument about nothing is a crack in the act. Watch out for it.

But I actually came here to ask a question and stumbled across this thread.

The Snack bars in Nagasaki are usually open until 5am. As of recently the Police has been enforcing the law and from now on after midnight the girls have to stand, are not allowed to sit in the booths/sofa beside customers or even sing duets together. The customers leave at midnight now and the girls are really feeling the pinch. I know there's always another reason for the laws like the no dancing law and wondered if anyone on here have an idea of the real intent to start enforcing this?

I'm puzzled...

 

[patty diaz]

I know this post is old but I just found and read what was written. I'm a foreigner that's only worked in j-clubs but know a lot of girls in the international scene. It's kind of wierd and creepy that you said you've tried to kiss girls at these places and they've rejected you, or that you try to get dates with girls by going here. You do realise you have a 0% chance of ever actually dating any of these girls if you ever go to their stores? It's called Eigyo these dates, hanging out with you on days off?? Eigyo. It's all to get you to spend money on them and build fake relationships to get you to come to the store. It might sound cold but its business. I can tell you now hostesses have absolutely 0% interest in you other than your wallet once you have set foot in that store, even if it was only once. It's the same with hosts, many pretend to be in full relationships with girls just to get her to spend all that money she makes on him. Sometimes even living together.


In short, if you're looking for actual dates, don't go here

 

[Tokyodude]

Taipei was very good
Beautiful girls and real kissing and quality sex while being not expensive at all.

Japan is just an ego-boost scam , all the girls I dated who did this job before told me they never really understood why guys would visit such places and pay money.

There are a lot cheaper ways to get a girl to tell you 50 times how sugoi you are and that she loves your country - wherever is even Afganistan - so much she wants to marry a guy for there and live there ..

 

[meiji]

Japan is just an ego-boost scam , all the girls I dated who did this job before told me they never really understood why guys would visit such places and pay money.

It's not a 'scam' if you know what the deal is when you go in. It's a hand-me-down in Japanese culture where men doing business together socialize and have women entertaining them. I'd never go to a hostess bar expecting to get physical with a woman working there.

(and since I don't have money to burn I'd likely never go to a hostess bar)

 

[User#8628]

I know this post is old but I just found and read what was written. I'm a foreigner that's only worked in j-clubs but know a lot of girls in the international scene. It's kind of wierd and creepy that you said you've tried to kiss girls at these places and they've rejected you, or that you try to get dates with girls by going here. You do realise you have a 0% chance of ever actually dating any of these girls if you ever go to their stores? It's called Eigyo these dates, hanging out with you on days off?? Eigyo. It's all to get you to spend money on them and build fake relationships to get you to come to the store. It might sound cold but its business. I can tell you now hostesses have absolutely 0% interest in you other than your wallet once you have set foot in that store, even if it was only once. It's the same with hosts, many pretend to be in full relationships with girls just to get her to spend all that money she makes on him. Sometimes even living together.


In short, if you're looking for actual dates, don't go here

It's not always that black and white i think, i know of people who met in both kind of clubs and started seriously dating each other. (Not just the "pretend" relationships but to a point of getting married.)

But if someone does this job, if they keep asking you to come (also if you haven't been yet), its business.

I wouldn't say they care "only" about your wallet. But they dont care enough about you to hang out with you if you didn't have that wallet.

 

[Wwanderer]

I wouldn't say they care "only" about your wallet. But they dont care enough about you to hang out with you if you didn't have that wallet.

A tangential point, but anyway... It always strikes me as odd that if a woman likes a man in part, let's say, because he works hard to stay in good shape and has a great body or, let's say, because he has worked hard to develop bedroom skills and is a great lover or, let's say, has worked hard to become a sports star or top musician etc, then that is consider a very legitimate/valid reason to be attracted to him. She is seen as appreciating him for who he is. However, if she likes a man because he has worked hard to earn a lot of money and has become rich, it is an entirely different matter. People see her as loving his walket but not the actual man, and she may be considered a golddigger and as shallow or self-serving. But what is the difference really?

People are weird about money...and sex.

-Ww

 

[patty diaz]

It's not always that black and white i think, i know of people who met in both kind of clubs and started seriously dating each other. (Not just the "pretend" relationships but to a point of getting married.)

But if someone does this job, if they keep asking you to come (also if you haven't been yet), its business.

I wouldn't say they care "only" about your wallet. But they dont care enough about you to hang out with you if you didn't have that wallet.

Yes that's true, but that's a very very small amount. A lot if these girls are already in real relationships outside of work. Also if you're in the scene and are on twitter look at the numerous account by night workers bashing their customers lol I couldn't tell you the amount if times me and my coworkers shit talk the customer one of them was just sitting with pretending to be love love with. Doing night work slowly destorys your empathy and respect for anybody if you do it long enough unfortunately.


I was also in a on again off again relationship with a host for a longtime and we met at his store . We got to the point of being married for a while too so I know it's possible, but slim.

 

[Tokyodude]

The scam part is when the women pretend they are open to relationships and say they like the guy but I fact they have boyfriends and a lot are even married with kids
The poor guy will spend a lot of money visiting the club over and over thinking he has a chance at dating her and falling in love wiht Her because she is warm and good looking but after months he will find out that she is happily married with kids or lives with her boyfriend etc..
I used to date and live together during 2 years a very young and sexy Japanese girl originally from the countryside who was doing exactly this sort of job almost every night in a hostess club in shinjuku - no the cheap Caba-kura .
At first I wasn't too happy but I had the choice of having her spend 5 hours as a cafe waitress or one hour as hostess for the same money

He salary was 5000 yen per hour even when there aren't any clients. I heard all sorts of stories from her . How the mama- San charges clients and thoe lies they tell the guys etc..

The only times I actually went to such places in Japan was under company expenses in various occasions. Never spent a yen and never will

 

[User#8628]

Yes that's true, but that's a very very small amount. A lot if these girls are already in real relationships outside of work. Also if you're in the scene and are on twitter look at the numerous account by night workers bashing their customers lol I couldn't tell you the amount if times me and my coworkers shit talk the customer one of them was just sitting with pretending to be love love with. Doing night work slowly destorys your empathy and respect for anybody if you do it long enough unfortunately.


I was also in a on again off again relationship with a host for a longtime and we met at his store . We got to the point of being married for a while too so I know it's possible, but slim.

I'd say the customers most likely give reason for it. There are those terrible guys who get drunk and grab all girls their asses, often those men don't even have a shimei at the club though.
Then that type that you most likely mean, those who act really pathetic. For example a girl who's in a relationship outside of work, and her customer goes on and on about how he wants to get married to her. It does get on one's nerves i guess. Kyaba customers seem suprising enough more annoying than escort customers.
It used to be my dreamjob because of the beautiful dresses and hairsets, but now, after knowing better, it seems only a good job for me for girls who really want to avoid any sexual play with random guys. It does still pay double than a normal job, so why not, but for someone like me it feels like a waste of time!
Also with a lot of patience you can earn a lot from it, but at first, you get your hourly salary and most of what you see the guys around you spend goes to the club. Now i can justify taking a lot of money of a guy if its for me, but not if some club gets the biggest part of it. I'd only feel like eigyoing the guys because of the club's penalties.

As for hosts, yes, its getting lucky. If a girl enters a host club and falls in love with a boy and does as he wants, she definitely has more chance to lose all her money than to make a real boyfriend.

 

[Sinapse]

You do realise you have a 0% chance of ever actually dating any of these girls if you ever go to their stores?

This just isn't true. A lot of the kyaba/hoestesses I've met have pretty much ONLY dated guys they've met at their club. But, it was generally the guys who spent a lot of money on them over a period of time and eventually made them an offer, for example "I'll pay all your rent at this apartment here and give you a salary as well and then date me and stop working at the club" or some such arrangement (the stopping working thing may or may not happen).

Doing night work slowly destorys your empathy and respect for anybody if you do it long enough unfortunately.

I was struck by this sentence. Do you think it's just kyaba or all night work?