At least in the States, he can't be locked up for espousing rape, unless he made specific threats to a specific person. The problem with his pathetic satire, is that there are definitely a lot of stupid people in his legion, who will take it seriously and give themselves another reason to be jackinapes.
Roosh V? What Do The Local Puas Make Of This?
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At least in the States, he can't be locked up for espousing rape, unless he made specific threats to a specific person. The problem with his pathetic satire, is that there are definitely a lot of stupid people in his legion, who will take it seriously and give themselves another reason to be jackinapes.
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Indeed so.
At the level of principle, I have to agree with @Sinapse that it is wrong to advocate vigilante justice (despite the fact that I did it somewhere up in this thread), and two wrongs don't make a right.
But in the real world, "in the street", where violence actually takes places all too often, the completely routine and normal practice is quite different from our idealistic principles. Commit violent acts and don't be surprised if you are subject to violence in return. Threaten (or appear to threaten) violent acts and don't surprised when you are threatened in return. Indeed, pre-emptive self-defense is normal as well; threaten or appear to threaten someone, and you may very well be attacked to remove the threat or perceived threat you pose. Basically the lessons here are old ones, "Those who live by the sword, die by the sword" and "You reap what you sow". It is not ideal but it is very real, and I for one have no sympathy for those who start the wheel turning by brandishing swords...especially when they swing them in the direction of those who have been stabbed so very often in the past.
-Ww
This is a point I'd been waiting to make, and Ww articulates it very eloquently, so I hope I don't step on it too much.
One cannot ignore the power dynamics in discussions like these. For the vast majority of human history, women have been subjected to persistent rape and violence, and typically had no means of seeking justice. Some men may claim that there is some fake rape epidemic now trumped up by feminists, but what's really happened is that women are less afraid to confront powerful men who have assaulted them (hey, Bill!).
A similar thing can be seen in the Black Lives Matter movement in the US. Police have been killing unarmed African-Americans on this soil since long before the US existed, but it's only now that those wronged feel they can air their grievances without threat of violent retaliation or imprisonment, and, perhaps, with the hope of receiving some measure of justice.
TL;DR: Men have no logical reason to get all butt-hurt because after thousands of years, we're finally not complete masters of our domain.
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I agree I have no sympathy. It's kind of "you get what you deserve"
But I'll never be the one to threaten violence even towards him, or else I'm no better than him, and indeed "living by the sword" as you put it and should in turn be prepared to die by the sword as well. If you REALLY believe "you reap what you sow" you would take the high ground, not incite violence based on hypothetical violence
There's a big difference between not being surprised when violence befalls him, and being the tip of the spear yourself
What if I just want to punch him because his mug is so incredibly, perfectly punchable? Is it OK then? 
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I hear you and see that there is some merit in what you say, but tbh, I would not hesitate to commit a violent act to try to prevent unprovoked violence against someone who appeared to need protection. Indeed, back there in the mists of ancient history, I have done so. And now, as then, I do understand that to do so is to involve oneself in the world of violence with the risk that you will become one of its victims too...the strong possibility of reaping what you... That was and would be acceptable to me in some circumstances.
Thus I'd feel rather hypocritical to flinch away from supporting the same impulse in others (basically what I did in the post in question). My bad I guess...
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Yup, I train in fighting several different styles, but I do so in order to use it only when absolutely necessary. If I saw Roosh or anyone pulling a girl kicking and screaming into a dark alley you can bet the righteous fist of justice would come down on him. But no way will I act violent or threaten violence against someone over something they said online. If anything, I've noticed that those most inclined to threaten violence online (not talking about you Ww - just what I've observed from others) are those least prepared to actually fight and most cowardly in person. Somehow the barrier of online anonymity and lack of actual need to back up what you say makes every random person think they're Anderson Silva.
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I have no idea who Anderson Silva is.
In any case, you are correct that things said online should not be taken particularly seriously (because they are anonymous and require no walking of the walk to back up the talking of the talk). That applies to both Roosh and those who advocate him getting what he deserves. We shouldn't get too heated up about it. The unfortunate difference is that he has the media spotlight and thus what he says is more likely to be translated into real world events (by someone, probably not him).
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In any case, you are correct that things said online should not be taken particularly seriously (because they are anonymous and require no walking of the walk to back up the talking of the talk). That applies to both Roosh and those who advocate him getting what he deserves. We shouldn't get too heated up about it. The unfortunate difference is that he has the media spotlight and thus what he says is more likely to be translated into real world events (by someone, probably not him).
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Btw, this rather dramatic (fiction-like) scenario is not how most rapes actually go down; there is little chance of anyone intervening in most cases unfortunately.
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Yup. As someone very familiar with fighting it aint no joke. Death threats and actual preparations to assault the meetup guys is in NO WAY justified, nor is 'playful' comments along those lines on a forum
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What if I just want to punch him because his mug is so incredibly, perfectly punchable? Is it OK then?
There is a word in German for this... backpfeifengesicht.
A German friend introduced me to this word years back, and I'm so happy to have it back in my life.
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And in a more real-life case : if Roosh (or a PUA) faces LMR and the girl says "no" 4 times instead of 6 times plus screaming, do you do something ?
Do you wait and sympathize with the brave LMR fighter ?
Prevention is key, and combat techniques are meant for rarer and different real-life situations I think.
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Hi sorry for the late reply i have been a bit busy, and also i have difficulty inserting quotes on IOS (am i alone in this?).
All i mean by tenure is that you have been in Japan for a while are older and would appear to be here for the long haul. Generally the older men i have encountered here cannot do this easily unless they have had a relatively successful career monetarily speaking.
Some food for thought completely unrelated to the main topic in this thread; if you generally have some form of unique charisma/looks/character that is not easily explained or replicated by others are your experiences relevant to the readers of this PUA forum? In comparison Synapse and Solong are putting forward techniques that are clearly explained and have been replicated by a variety of people from a variety of backgrounds, including myself. I really appreciate the advice they have given me on the Japanese experience.
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No, I have trouble with that too.
A fair point. Arguably at least they are not. All of my life people have been telling me that I am unusual or rare or strange or even unique in a wide variety of contexts. Moreover, the longer and better than know me, the more they often and insistently they tend to make such comments. I don't really see it myself. However, I do try to be fairly consistent in explicitly saying things like "in my experience" and "in my opinion" etc and to avoid claiming universal truths or applicability....unless it is something I actually think is general and applies to everyone or nearly everyone.
In any case, the PUA forum is a part of TAG, an open internet community which is normally understood to mean that all are welcome (and encouraged) to express their views and give their input. Readers are free to pick and choose according to what they feel is useful or interesting. In other words, if there are readers of this forum who don't find my posts relevant, they shouldn't read them...truly that simple and easy. They can even block me and make it automatic. However, I receive plenty of indications (both posted publicly and private ones) that many readers follow and value what I post in the PUA forum, so...stopping seems unwarranted. Would you agree?
Again, it is the nature of open net forums. Different people find different parts of the content useful or appealing, but so what? Some/many TAGers are less enthusiastic, to put it mildly, about what @Sinapse and @Solong post, but I don't think they should stop either.
Btw, if PUA/gaming aficionados wish to have private conversations without input from critics or doubters, that is very easily done by various mechanisms (e.g., Google/Yahoo groups or starting or their own password protected sites or even private convos on TAG). Surely such already exist. But an open internet forum is simply not the right place/mechanism for "sheltered" or controlled discussions.
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i think this dickhead deserves a beating. seriously.