Sorry, but not impressed by indies...

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1. No, it is completely relevant. Have you ever considered the amount of thought that goes into clients who know they will pay 2x 3x times more than what they could get elsewhere, only to find out the "elsewhere" is better? Again I don't talk about absolute levels here. I talk about value for money. If you buy a Rolls you generally expect more than a Ford. Pure and simple, and sorry to be so blunt.

2. Yes, fully agreed, and thanks for being blunt (-:

3. No, as I wrote, I didnt set the bar as high for other providers and never asked for extra time. Sadly, however, I asked some providers (not just indies) to leave BEFORE the set time, and didnt ask for a refund. Why 5 times? Good point. I must be a sucker for good marketing and fanboys' reviews. But the last time was really the last drop in the bucket for me. Won't repeat with an indie, at least in Tokyo,period.

4. Yes, should have. And marry her and live happily ever after...


1&3. Yes, I totally understand your perspective. I feel the same way even when doing regular shopping for clothes. Choosing a provider of your choice is such a personal and intimate thing you could do for yourself. There's a whole spectrum of adult providers offering so many varied services and varying price points, clearly independents in Tokyo are just not suited for you.

I just don't feel that there's a need to speak so unkindly about the independents that you have met. "Fat, sagging and unsexy boobs", "Two big bags under the eyes" is just really mean and uncalled for. I'm pretty sure you're aware that it's ugly behaviour, hence you are setting up an anonymous account to say all this.

I just hope that you don't forget that some escorts set such prices because they are trying to actually make a living too, especially in a country like Tokyo where the standard of living is high.

Regarding expectations, this is where I feel that reading reviews are a double-edged sword. While they help to lend credibility to a provider and her biz reputation, it also has the inadvertent effect of potential clients going into the date with the expectation that xyz is going to happen just because it happened with another client. I feel like negative experiences where clients did not feel that their expectations were met are inevitable, just because it's impossible to please and/or appeal to every single person. It is just the way us humans are wired. Not to mention the almost infinite factors that play a part in how we interact with others at any given point in time.
 
1&3. Yes, I totally understand your perspective. I feel the same way even when doing regular shopping for clothes. Choosing a provider of your choice is such a personal and intimate thing you could do for yourself. There's a whole spectrum of adult providers offering so many varied services and varying price points, clearly independents in Tokyo are just not suited for you.

I just don't feel that there's a need to speak so unkindly about the independents that you have met. "Fat, sagging and unsexy boobs", "Two big bags under the eyes" is just really mean and uncalled for. I'm pretty sure you're aware that it's ugly behaviour, hence you are setting up an anonymous account to say all this.

I just hope that you don't forget that some escorts set such prices because they are trying to actually make a living too, especially in a country like Tokyo where the standard of living is high.

Regarding expectations, this is where I feel that reading reviews are a double-edged sword. While they help to lend credibility to a provider and her biz reputation, it also has the inadvertent effect of potential clients going into the date with the expectation that xyz is going to happen just because it happened with another client. I feel like negative experiences where clients did not feel that their expectations were met are inevitable, just because it's impossible to please and/or appeal to every single person. It is just the way us humans are wired. Not to mention the almost infinite factors that play a part in how we interact with others at any given point in time.

Thanks for your thoughtful feedback, I really appreciate it is more than the knee-jerk reactions I expected.
Anonymity: yes, well other people set anonymous accounts to say nice things too, maybe people set anonymous accounts to say nice things about themselves, we are all anonymous here...
What really p*** me off is when expectations are set high by the provider herself (with her "marketing", nicely arranged pics.. and the price level, which is in itself an information too... sorry but you can't just say to a client : I charge a higher price because life in Tokyo is expensive. It's expensive for the AM and [Redacted] ladies too, and they don't get 100% of the proceeds).
But I agree, my words were not kind and not meant to be, because overall I felt cheated. Would not have bothered at lower price levels. And I am angry at myself because I played Mr. Nice Guy, didnt show my disappointment, didnt say anything negative, because yes I was educated in a way that you don't say such things to a lady directly (... not that I feared they would hit me back!)
 
I don't see anything wrong with writing a general commentary about his experiences with a particular category of sex workers.

It is his choice to give general impressions about his experiences, or to provide specific feedback to a provider.

It will always be up to the reader to put his comments in the proper context.

I think I understand his main point, and he went out of his way not to unfairly implicate anyone.

Heck, I even agree with him.

I can still get all of the mediocre sex I want from physically mediocre women, for free.

I even surprise myself by picking up a stunner once in a while, so if I'm paying money to have sex, it will be for something that I can't normally find.

I completely understand why he isn't impressed by a ordinary sexual encounter from a provider with unfit body.

What is wrong with him coming here to vent about not having his socks knocked off in 5 out-of 6 encounters?

I'm pretty sure I would be disappointed to if I had experiencesd what he described.

My only negative comment of the OP would be that it sounds like he doesn't know what he wants or isn't articulating it to his providers. In the case of misleading photos, he probably should give a specific review.

But it sounds to me that he doesn't know what he is looking for. Either that or he feels like he has been looking for elite escorts, but getting pretenders? Not sure.
 
Well, indeed better not to read them if you get offended by unkind words towards ladies (not that they are all unkind of course, in fact the majority of them are positive as far as I could see - because I guess generally speaking the services provided are good value in Japan)

??? I never said I was offended.
 
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I don't see anything wrong with writing a general commentary about his experiences with a particular category of sex workers.

It is his choice to give general impressions about his experiences, or to provide specific feedback to a provider.

It will always be up to the reader to put his comments in the proper context.

I think I understand his main point, and he went out of his way not to unfairly implicate anyone.

Heck, I even agree with him.

I can still get all of the mediocre sex I want from physically mediocre women, for free.

I even surprise myself by picking up a stunner once in a while, so if I'm paying money to have sex, it will be for something that I can't normally find.

I completely understand why he isn't impressed by a ordinary sexual encounter from a provider with unfit body.

What is wrong with him coming here to vent about not having his socks knocked off in 5 out-of 6 encounters?

I'm pretty sure I would be disappointed to if I had experiencesd what he described.

My only negative comment of the OP would be that it sounds like he doesn't know what he wants or isn't articulating it to his providers. In the case of misleading photos, he probably should give a specific review.

But it sounds to me that he doesn't know what he is looking for. Either that or he feels like he has been looking for elite escorts, but getting pretenders? Not sure.

Thanks JBagz. The latter ("looking for elite escorts, but getting pretenders"), although not even sure anymore what could be considered "elite". Maybe I should give a last try though... should it be JPY100k, 200k? What I want is someone who is worth what she says she is, plain and simple.
 
???? I never demanded reviews.
True, apologies, You just suggested I write them..
"Another reason for naming the escort in a review is that it allows her to give her own opinion and view on the meeting, as well as mention anything relevant that she feels has been skipped over"
 
As someone who has yet to partake of the services of a professional escort from this site, but has been considering doing so, I would greatly appreciate honest reviews of the specific providers the OP met with. I have very rarely seen a critical review of an escort on this site, which makes me as a potential client wonder if the escorts truly are as amazing as everyone says they are, or if this is simply the consequence of a close-knit community protecting the feelings and livelihoods of people whom they may actually care about to varying degrees. While there is absolutely nothing wrong with that, it makes it hard to know whether you should fully trust what you read, which diminishes the function of this site as a source of reliable information.

So OP, if you wouldn't mind, I personally would love to read what you have to say about the specific providers in question. Or, if you'd rather not post publicly for fear of backlash, I would be very grateful if you could PM me your honest opinions.
 
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As someone who has yet to partake of the services of a professional escort from this site, but has been considering doing so, I would greatly appreciate honest reviews of the specific providers the OP met with. I have very rarely seen a critical review of an escort on this site, which makes me as a potential client wonder if the escorts truly are as amazing as everyone says they are, or if this is simply a consequence of a close-knit community protecting the feelings and livelihoods of people whom they may actually care about to varying degrees. While there is absolutely nothing wrong with that, it makes it hard to know whether you should fully trust what you read, which diminishes the function of this site as a source of reliable information.

So OP, if you wouldn't mind, I personally would love to read what you have to say about the specific providers in question. Or, if you'd rather not post publicly for fear of backlash, I would be very grateful if you could PM me your honest opinions.
"simply a consequence of a close-knit community protecting the feelings and livelihoods of people whom they may actually care about to varying degrees". That's exactly what I thought too, and yes there is nothing wrong with that.
But you know opinions are just that, opinions, including my own, and maybe I have a borderline psychological issue with the "value" thing, and maybe you would find fantastic a person I just found meh because we don't have the same criteria etc... But at least on the purely physical stuff, yes, I can tell which ones were not only not to my taste (which probably you don't care about) but also not really "consistent" with their own pics.
 
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I am almost positive that I'm either Lady #1 or Lady #2.. so if I'm correct, please feel free to either post a public review.. or let me know in private what you wish I could've done, said, etc.

I've only been an escort for over a year. I don't know everything. Sometimes I panic if the guy stands/sits too far away from me, is too shy himself, etc. I could use the constructive criticism to better myself and my business :)
 
Okay ...even from your very brief descriptions its quite clear i my eyes which escorts you are refering to...Im not going to say that what you
are saying is wrong. As it is ow opinion of youre experience with them and its obvious these women were not your type. But wouldnt it have been more acceptable to post individual reviews etc? I think that negative reviews are lacking on this site but it doesnt mean they shouldnt be written...Im sorry to anyone I offend. I think youre all gorgeous women
 
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...Well , Horse above seems to have the opposite opinion about that (ie I should just shut up completely and take my losses, in a way), so everyone think what they want.
No, I will not make specific reviews because that would crush ladies which in fact are good persons, I have no doubt about that. I just wanted to say that if you chose this line of "business" , remember that clients have a minimum of expectations for the price they pay, like any business, that's all.
Its true we are customers not John's! And we expect customer service at its best. But out of all of those escorts you will deal with.....You will find one that will make you happy. And you do have a right to speak as you please. Me I would just keep it to myself. Thats what this forum is for...so don't hold back my Man!
 
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I don't see anything wrong with writing a general commentary about his experiences with a particular category of sex workers.

It is his choice to give general impressions about his experiences, or to provide specific feedback to a provider.

It will always be up to the reader to put his comments in the proper context.

This, especially the bold part.

While I definitely and very much disagree with the OP about the quality and merit of the TAG/Tokyo indie escorts (based on decades of mongering experience in tens of countries around the world), I don't see why anyone is giving him trouble about how he chose to express and explain his disappointment and trying to tell him what he should do or should have done. In my online experience, it is virtually always a colossal waste of time and energy as well as rather presumptuous to try to tell other people how, what and when to post (within the established rules of a given forum). Posters are *contributors* and should not expect to be interrogated or cross examined. (Of course there is nothing wrong with asking a poster polite questions.)

-Ww
 
As someone who has yet to partake of the services of a professional escort from this site, but has been considering doing so, I would greatly appreciate honest reviews of the specific providers the OP met with. I have very rarely seen a critical review of an escort on this site, which makes me as a potential client wonder if the escorts truly are as amazing as everyone says they are, or if this is simply the consequence of a close-knit community protecting the feelings and livelihoods of people whom they may actually care about to varying degrees. While there is absolutely nothing wrong with that, it makes it hard to know whether you should fully trust what you read, which diminishes the function of this site as a source of reliable information.

So OP, if you wouldn't mind, I personally would love to read what you have to say about the specific providers in question. Or, if you'd rather not post publicly for fear of backlash, I would be very grateful if you could PM me your honest opinions.

This.

OP could have been less harsh with his words, but it's interesting to see a negative review(s) since they seem to be rare.
 
Btw, while an escort can certainly benefit from constructive criticism, imo it is unwise for her to pay much attention to negative comments unless she receives them at least somewhat consistently and from multiple customers. No escort can please all of her customers; the tastes and preferences of different men just varies too much. So an escort's harshest critics and most displeased customers are very likely to simply be a bad match to her service in one or more ways - appearance, personality, style of escorting or whatever. And if she tries to make her critic happy, she probably will make previously very satisfied customers less happy, stress herself out, and most likely not be able to please the critic anyway. In other words, my advice to escorts is to trust yourself and your own escorting instincts/style more than negative comments unless they are rather consistent.

I am not sure if my comment above applies to the OP's complaints since he seems to be seriously dissatisfied with a range of quite different Tokyo/TAG escorts, all or most of whom have many happy/satisfied customers and successful careers in a rather competitive and cosmopolitan market. So, it is harder to attribute his dissatisfactions to just being a poor personal match with a particular escort.

-Ww
 
OP could have been less harsh with his words, but it's interesting to see a negative review(s) since they seem to be rare.

True, it would be interesting to see also negative reviews as they offer also good insight on to what kind of clientele a certain shop or lady is the best fit.

The problem with your comment is that OP didn't offer us any reviews. He just vented his general dissatisfaction to a number of anonymous escorts he has met in Tokyo. Which is of course understandable and accepted BTW.
 
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Sounds like your researching skills are very poor. From the looks of it you could've avoided 1 and 2 with ease. 3 and 4 might have been harder but if you look deep into all of the reviews you see here or on the other review sites you can save yourself some time.

I wouldn't book any of the indies I've seen here except for one. It's not that there's anything wrong with them or the prices are too high but I probably wouldn't click with them. I can tell it from their websites, how they write here on TAG and also from their reviews that we wouldn't match good. Even if their reviews are great you can almost tell what kind of persons they connect best with. And if you're not that kind of person move on and don't expect just because they charge a high price that the experience will awesome.

I think it's important that people give honest reviews but in your case I feel meh. You can't possible strike out so many times and blame the providers.
 
Sounds like your researching skills are very poor. From the looks of it you could've avoided 1 and 2 with ease. 3 and 4 might have been harder but if you look deep into all of the reviews you see here or on the other review sites you can save yourself some time.

I wouldn't book any of the indies I've seen here except for one. It's not that there's anything wrong with them or the prices are too high but I probably wouldn't click with them. I can tell it from their websites, how they write here on TAG and also from their reviews that we wouldn't match good. Even if their reviews are great you can almost tell what kind of persons they connect best with. And if you're not that kind of person move on and don't expect just because they charge a high price that the experience will awesome.

I think it's important that people give honest reviews but in your case I feel meh. You can't possible strike out so many times and blame the providers.

Yes, you raised some good points. But then I had a look at your own posts and no wonder you probably wouldn't book most of the ladies here ;)
https://tokyoadultguide.com/threads/question-about-rough-sex.13536/
 
Okay ...even from your very brief descriptions its quite clear i my eyes which escorts you are refering to...Im not going to say that what you
are saying is wrong. As it is ow opinion of youre experience with them and its obvious these women were not your type. But wouldnt it have been more acceptable to post individual reviews etc? I think that negative reviews are lacking on this site but it doesnt mean they shouldnt be written...Im sorry to anyone I offend. I think youre all gorgeous women
If it is quite clear in your eyes which escorts I was referring to, then maybe I was not that far off... I don't know you at all by the way, but you seem to know the other ladies well. Again I have nothing against them personnally, and in some cases I had a good time, or at least OK-ish time... just this damn "wasnt worth it" voice in my head just afterwards... ewwwww
 
Since the girls here have accurate pictures and describtions (vertified by the manager himself), you wouldn't have wasted time and money if you did your homework.
You could have seen if a girl was "fat" or "plain" beforehand and you would have known which of the girls are more shy. That could have saved you a lot of time and money.

Also for me personally, i would much prefer an honest review about what happened or honest feedback to me personally, than this kind of behavoir. I have no idea who you are and if we met or not but i think this whole pointing fingers but not being specific and hiding who you are is counterproductive and childish.
 
Since the girls here have accurate pictures and describtions (vertified by the manager himself), you wouldn't have wasted time and money if you did your homework.
You could have seen if a girl was "fat" or "plain" beforehand and you would have known which of the girls are more shy. That could have saved you a lot of time and money.

Also for me personally, i would much prefer an honest review about what happened or honest feedback to me personally, than this kind of behavoir. I have no idea who you are and if we met or not but i think this whole pointing fingers but not being specific and hiding who you are is counterproductive and childish.

You're #3. Feeling better now? And yes, I should have provided personal feedback earlier, even admitted so. My apologies.

Childish Guy (going to have more affordable fun now, end of thread as far as I'm concerned)
 
Thanks for your thoughtful feedback, I really appreciate it is more than the knee-jerk reactions I expected.
Anonymity: yes, well other people set anonymous accounts to say nice things too, maybe people set anonymous accounts to say nice things about themselves, we are all anonymous here...
What really p*** me off is when expectations are set high by the provider herself (with her "marketing", nicely arranged pics.. and the price level, which is in itself an information too... sorry but you can't just say to a client : I charge a higher price because life in Tokyo is expensive. It's expensive for the AM and [Redacted] ladies too, and they don't get 100% of the proceeds).
But I agree, my words were not kind and not meant to be, because overall I felt cheated. Would not have bothered at lower price levels. And I am angry at myself because I played Mr. Nice Guy, didnt show my disappointment, didnt say anything negative, because yes I was educated in a way that you don't say such things to a lady directly (... not that I feared they would hit me back!)
I usually get reviews by the person who contacted me through TAG on the same account as he posts the review with. Or they put a date on the review. So yes, i know who they are and how the date went. And this is what you do differently in therms of anon.
As for [Redacted], they can get a lot of customers in one day. This is impossible for indies. They probably make more than us and i have been looking for a job like that myself but its not easy for foreign girls and i dont wanna get in a too shady environment.
I dont know what your conplainment is about how the pics are arranged, sure they are taken beautifully and there if effort spend on the sites but the girls on here do look like their pictures.

And yes, feetback to a girl personally is not a bad idea.
 
One thing I would add, "live posting from Germany" is to further emphasize the question of expectations that people have internally.

I was just at a night club themed establishment, an FKK, all the ladies walk around in lingerie or otherwise completely bare, alcohol flows freely as it comes with the price of admission, the music is booming and there's women lounging around everywhere. You see before you commit but it's high volume - a woman needs to see 2-3+ clients a day to turn a profit. There are some true stunners and shapes and sizes for all tastes. Prices are rock bottom compared to other places around the world ~€50/30 mins. Many would swear by this and only this. "Why spend more!?"

The answer relates to what you're after:
1) Appearance? Are you just looking for the hottest woman you can find?
2) "Service?" - which is itself vague, but basically menu of services, eagerness, but, also compatibility and chemistry?
3) Value? The absolute best "value" based on some internal ratio for price vs. Service & Appearance trade off?
4) Companionship? Someone you can talk to? To cuddle with? To get to know a bit?
5) Atmosphere? Relaxation? Romance? I know it sounds silly but most people enjoy not only a rock music mood for example

I threw that quick laundry list together and it definitely isn't fully inclusive, but people often go in and aren't really sure what they want, don't make it clear, and then are disappointed. If you just want #1 & #3, power to you, but you WILL run into a gorgeous woman one day who will half heartedly touch you and generally be unenthusiastic. Sometimes you'll get some very good #2, and just forget about #4 & #5. So whilst most of the world wants to see a lady before they pick, in this world there's a whole new term I have only seen used in the FKK club world "optifuck" - looks good but provides bad service. People will always find something to complain about.. :p

So more to OP's point:
If you were expecting something different, by all means, review it. If you felt you were misled about appearance, review it. Just make sure you get why you're upset and do it after you've had some time to process. The very existence of the review board is lessened if people feel unable to be honest.. But it is also a community, so how would you go about telling your neighbour feedback, knowing you'd still be living next door? :cool:

EDIT: Re-reading your post it feels like you went from being disappointed to being filled with a bit of resentment over time and then just vented it all out. I'd say you probably would have been more balanced and used less severe language if you were reflecting individually and without holding it all in? I'm just speculating but that seems unfair both to you and the ladies in question.
 
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