Stopped by police patrol around love hotels

Ken1988 said:
Yes, it could be then, but the police would be more keen to know your zairyu status, not if you are engaged in p4p.
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Well, as debito has been trying to bring awareness to, if you're a Japanese citizen, even a naturalized one, the cops can't ask you on the street for your ID or check on your status in the first place without just cause. Japanese citizens have every right to refuse this search and walk off in peace. But, the police still try to card debito because he's white, which pisses him the hell off.
 
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Simonka said:
the first excuse that came to my mind was a "condom themed birthday party" in case they searched me.
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Forgot to ask, why not the standard "I'm meeting my boyfriend"?

Simonka said:
This is a warning I got from my hostess club manager who had inside information.
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Its wrong. He had no insider information.

RIDER 00 said:
It'd be funny if you only knew that from debito.org
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Would be funny yes, but it so happens that sometimes I have to work with lawyers on wiretap/search & seizure issues.

RIDER 00 said:
Under most circumstances. Which is why I said "could be."
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Pandering/pimping, providing a prostitution service is against the law. As @Ken1988 said, if its just two individuals, even if money is exchanged, thats not illegal and not w/in the scope of the anti-prostitution law.
 
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TheScientist said:
Pandering/pimping, providing a prostitution service is against the law. As @Ken1988 said, if its just two individuals, even if money is exchanged, thats not illegal and not w/in the scope of the anti-prostitution law.
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Well, Mr. Lawyer, I could list up some of the exceptions to that rule, even if it is just between two individuals, but I'll refrain because I don't want the casual reader to sudden vomit in disgust.

Also, what if the lady who had her cellphone inspected worked for AM or ND?
 
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RIDER 00 said:
Well, Mr. Lawyer, I could list up some of the exceptions to that rule, even if it is just between two individuals, but I'll refrain because I don't want the casual reader to sudden vomit in disgust.

Also, what if the lady who had her cellphone inspected worked for AM or ND?
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Well, then the agency would be in trouble i guess?
Its a miracle for me how they stay open because the police doesn’t like agencies who provide this as a rule of the thumb, but i guess they are small and the foreign market mostly goes unchecked.

I don’t think working girls can be charged with any crime, the only case i’ve hear of of girls being arrested was Korean streetwalkers and they got released later.

Its usually establishments who get blown up because they don’t play by the rules, they don’t bother the girls though.
 
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User#8628 said:
Well, then the agency would be in trouble i guess?
Its a miracle for me how they stay open because the police doesn’t like agencies who provide this as a rule of the thumb, but i guess they are small and the foreign market mostly goes unchecked.

I don’t think working girls can be charged with any crime, the only case i’ve hear of of girls being arrested was Korean streetwalkers and they got released later.

Its usually establishments who get blown up because they don’t play by the rules, they don’t bother the girls though.
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Yes, the agency would take the hardest hit. The line gets blurry, though, regarding the girls because some of them help out in the agency operations. I guess the owner would face most of the penalties, but you never know who the police will categorize as an accomplice.

Anyway, as most people have said, the risk is small so I would not worry too much about police checks.
 
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RIDER 00 said:
the lady who had her cellphone inspected
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Again, they can't do that. Note also I am not a lawyer, I just have reason to work with them.

Simonka said:
Never had a boyfriend with four d's with varying sizes :D
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Tell the cops you are going on a date with your boyfriend and his three brothers. It doesn't matter. Also you an say dick here. You can even say it to the cops. You an tell em "I have these condoms because I like dicks". Nothin they can do about it.
 
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TheScientist said:
Again, they can't do that. Note also I am not a lawyer, I just have reason to work with them.
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Funny, your nitpicking made me think of a lawyer.
Anyway, as I said, they need probable cause for a search. In most cases, they won't have any reason to search you in the first place.
 
RIDER 00 said:
Anyway, as I said, they need probable cause for a search. In most cases, they won't have any reason to search you in the first place.
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A search is not allowed to extend to what is inside a person's phone unless the person consents to such a search. What is in someone's bag or pockets is only an issue if that item is either illegal on its own or an be directly connected to an existing criminal case.
 
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TheScientist said:
A search is not allowed to extend to what is inside a person's phone unless the person consents to such a search. What is in someone's bag or pockets is only an issue if that item is either illegal on its own or an be directly connected to an existing criminal case.
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Hence, the probable cause. Thank you for explaining a case when the police may search into someone's phone.

BTW, we're arguing under the assumption that the police will abide by the law. What about the numerous times when the police search into something illegally and then justify it later by saying that they had consent, or there was probable cause, etc.? A 99% conviction rate for the D.A.'s office only implies one thing, if the police suspect you of something, they will make sure you go to jail for it or at least spend a long time in a holding cell.
 
RIDER 00 said:
A 99% conviction rate for the D.A.'s office only implies one thing
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The 99% rate is in part achieved by strategically not bringing cases to the DA where they don't have everything in line already. Also since they don't want to have lots of open cases, quite often they simply won't create a case report for something happening. Unless of course the person confesses to something. Who knows why but it seems part of why the police here don't have to do much actual police work is very often, someone confesses or someone else turns the perp in and the perp then confesses. Theres also the false/forced confession of course.

However pretty much none of this applies to a man or woman having condoms in their possession when subject to a stop and search.
 
TheScientist said:
The 99% rate is in part achieved by strategically not bringing cases to the DA where they don't have everything in line already. Also since they don't want to have lots of open cases, quite often they simply won't create a case report for something happening. Unless of course the person confesses to something. Who knows why but it seems part of why the police here don't have to do much actual police work is very often, someone confesses or someone else turns the perp in and the perp then confesses. Theres also the false/forced confession of course.

However pretty much none of this applies to a man or woman having condoms in their possession when subject to a stop and search.
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You can argue all you want about filtering and what not, but there's no Western or modern country with the same conviction rate unless it's a dictatorship or communist country. Something doesn't smell right, if you know what I mean. In Japan, it's guilty until proven innocent.

But, thanks for bringing us back to the point I originally made. " In most cases, they won't have any reason to search you in the first place."
 
RIDER 00 said:
What I'm getting at is that, aren't there things that are totally out of your control or would require dedicating over 90% of your entire life to resolving it?
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Obviously, and recognising those instances is also part of being in control of your life.

Simonka said:
Never had a boyfriend with four d's with varying sizes :D
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Oh, then you are missing out. :D:eek: Most guys have at least two sizes, though condoms are normally used only in one of those.

RIDER 00 said:
BTW, we're arguing under the assumption that the police will abide by the law.
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This. Even if they stay inside the law in the minor cases where they know there won't be a conviction they can keep you in holding for couple of weeks. It's much easier to work when you have both executive and judiciary powers with you.
 
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On the legal issue, I'm pretty sure that @TheScientist and @Ken1988 are correct about the laws and that @RIDER 00 and @MikeH are correct that the police could, in principle, find ways to arrest and convict you or, at the very least, give you a huge life-hassle if they were determined to do so..

But the key point is that the latter is so unlikely to happen to an escort going about her (perfectly legal in Japan) business in an even moderately discreet and low-profile way that it is pointless to worry about it or take any precautions against it (such as those suggested by @Simonka's hostess club manager suggested). For one thing, you accept much larger and more serious/consequential risks going about your daily life in Tokyo without giving them a second thought. For another, those precautions wouldn't help you much if at all were the police to decide they wanted to "get you" for some reason.

-Ww
 
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I'll let this remain open until midnight tonight. I think everyone has had a fair shake at this and I don't let things repeat and get rehashed over and over again.

Final comments timer begins, now.
 
Ken1988 said:
Nope. Even a former chair of the National Public Safety Commission couldn't walk off in peace after refusing a search in Shibuya...it made him furious that he put his account on his blog.
http://www.liberal-shirakawa.net/idea/policestate.html
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Well, if he didn't refuse to the point of calling a lawyer and telling the police to go away, then he volunteered to be checked in the end. That's the loophole police use to get Japanese nationals to show them their ID. It's not illegal to ask to see it voluntarily.
 
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Ken1988 said:
Nope. Even a former chair of the National Public Safety Commission couldn't walk off in peace after refusing a search in Shibuya...it made him furious that he put his account on his blog.
http://www.liberal-shirakawa.net/idea/policestate.html
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At first glance a very interesting account. Even I cringe slightly as the use of the term police state in context, I'm going to look into that more.
 
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TheScientist said:
At first glance a very interesting account. Even I cringe slightly as the use of the term police state in context, I'm going to look into that more.
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Right? Japan a police state? Even though there is police on every streetcorner, they don’t actually intimidate people and get into their business too much. I feel like they do checks and other things to fill their quota or because other citizen ask them to, but they don’t actually seem to get a powertrip out of stopping people like police in other countries, and i’ve seen them be very patient with people who would definitely not have gotten that treatment elsewhere.
 
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