The State Of Pickup And Nanpa

[4vibes]

Rather than dismiss them for their obvious extreme sex addiction(sorry fellas); I actually test out the ideas PUA present to see if they work. Low and behold they do, and now I have a wonderful tool kit for meeting, dating, relating with women I find attractive rather than making excuses about place, time and status.

True. Some people would label PUAs as addicts. That is sexual immaturity that women don't like. Women can read your sexual insecurity and it makes them uncomfortable=LMR.

 

[Wwanderer]

I'm curious why is the word 'pink' such a bad word when Victoria Secrets coined it? Women wear it every where? In essence pink means women. Could it be some of you have issues with women?

It sounds offensive to me, but I could be wrong. I'm an old guy and am definitely not always up on the latest slang etc. Maybe (most) women have no objection to being called "pinks". Maybe they call each other that. I somehow doubt it; it just has the ring of macho BS objectification language...of the way men who do not distinguish women from life support systems for their genitals refer to women, like calling them "cunts" etc. But in any case, you did not answer my question:

I can't help wondering how many women appreciate being referred to as "pinks"? Do you call women "pinks" when there are women present?

And the answer to the question would go a long way toward revealing whether or not it is an offensive or inoffensive term for women, right?

-Ww

 

[4vibes]

It sounds offensive to me, but I could be wrong. I'm an old guy and am definitely not always up on the latest slang etc. Maybe (most) women have no objection to being called "pinks". Maybe they call each other that. I somehow doubt it; it just has the ring of macho BS objectification language...of the way men who do not distinguish women from life support systems for their genitals refer to women, like calling them "cunts" etc. But in any case, you did not answer my question:



And the answer to the question would go a long way toward revealing whether or not it is an offensive or inoffensive term for women, right?

-Ww

They wear 'Pink' on their chest. They wear it on their behind. They dress in pink. They paint their house pink. They paint their car pink. Pink nails, pink accessories, etc. They even combine love and pink together. What do you think women are saying with all the pinks? I wonder why you find pink so offensive?

 

[Solong]

Does one have to be better than the other?

Surely in a thread about the state of pickup it is permissible to call out the misogyny of some of its practitioners (pretty evident from 4vibes's posts for example).

It sounds offensive to me, but I could be wrong. I'm an old guy and am definitely not always up on the latest slang etc. Maybe (most) women have no objection to being called "pinks". Maybe they call each other that. I somehow doubt it; it just has the ring of macho BS objectification language...of the way men who do not distinguish women from life support systems for their genitals refer to women, like calling them "cunts" etc. But in any case, you did not answer my question:

And the answer to the question would go a long way toward revealing whether or not it is an offensive or inoffensive term for women, right?

-Ww

I noticed these 2 questions were side stepped earlier, but then the accusation or suggestion of offense or misogyny creeps right back up.

1) Is using a slang word or jargon really misogyny?

2) If a woman called me or stated "hunk", "cock", or "blue" should I say she hates men?

Example- If a woman said, "It's so good to have cock/blue whenever you want".

And Ww, you weighing in brings up yet another question.

3) Why would any particular woman be the authority of what language men are allowed to use?

Particularly when such language needs to be decoded and any offense is very debatable. Seems odd if a man were to try and set himself up as the authority on what women can or can't say about the opposite sex.

 

[Wwanderer]

@4vibes and @Solong - It's a question, guys. Not an attempt to debate anything and VERY CERTAINLY not an attempt to allow or disallow you from speaking or using any words you please, offensive or not. It is also not an attempt to discover whether or not you think the word should be offensive or to learn the basis of your opinion.

Very obviously, you are under no obligation to answer the question I asked, but it would save a lot of my and mostly your time if you simply said that you aren't going to answer it rather than turning it into some sort of controversy. What's the point?

To justify my question (though I don't see why that is necessary), we are all presumably very well aware that various groups of people (racial/ethnic, sexual orientation based, nationality, occupation...) are referred to by a variety of words, some of which offend the people in the group and some of which don't. Moreover, it is very often difficult for someone outside the group to know which is which or why...and it often changes over time. A term that was once acceptable can become unacceptable to members of a group...happens frequently. Recently @TAG Manager banned (at the software level) a term for escorts which many of them find offensive from the board. I am old enough to recall a time at which that word did not seem to offend. Etc.

Anyway, I guess I'll just ask some women... You guys sound like a politician being asked a straight forward question by a reporter which he/she does not want to answer.

In case you've forgotten by now, the question is whether or not you, @4vibes (but anyone else's answer would be of interest too), refer to women as "pinks" to their face. If the answer is "yes", I'd be interested to know their reactions as well, but at this point it seems too much to hope that you would give up that much information.

-Ww

 

[4vibes]

@4vibes and @Solong - It's a question, guys. Not an attempt to debate anything and VERY CERTAINLY not an attempt to allow or disallow you from speaking or using any words you please, offensive or not. It is also not an attempt to discover whether or not you think the word should be offensive or to learn the basis of your opinion.

Very obviously, you are under no obligation to answer the question I asked, but it would save a lot of my and mostly your time if you simply said that you aren't going to answer it rather than turning it into some sort of controversy. What's the point?

To justify my question (though I don't see why that is necessary), we are all presumably very well aware that various groups of people (racial/ethnic, sexual orientation based, nationality, occupation...) are referred to by a variety of words, some of which offend the people in the group and some of which don't. Moreover, it is very often difficult for someone outside the group to know which is which or why...and it often changes over time. A term that was once acceptable can become unacceptable to members of a group...happens frequently. Recently @TAG Manager banned (at the software level) a term for escorts which many of them find offensive from the board. I am old enough to recall a time at which that word did not seem to offend. Etc.

Anyway, I guess I'll just ask some women... You guys sound like a politician being asked a straight forward question by a reporter which he/she does not want to answer.

In case you've forgotten by now, the question is whether or not you, @4vibes (but anyone else's answer would be of interest too), refer to women as "pinks" to their face. If the answer is "yes", I'd be interested to know their reactions as well, but at this point it seems too much to hope that you would give up that much information.

-Ww

Funny. Off topic. Its a term that is not coined by men but women. Unlike the ones you mentioned which were coined by others. Yes. Its been used in front of women. Pink is a positive term. We PUAs all love our pinks. Only you would be offended by pinks. Some people have issues with women. In case you didn't notice Valentine was this past weekend. Pinks were everywhere. Its actually a symbol of love. No wonder some people have issues with women. They don't know how to handle love.

 

[Solong]

@4vibes and @Solong - It's a question, guys. Not an attempt to debate anything and VERY CERTAINLY not an attempt to allow or disallow you from speaking or using any words you please, offensive or not. It is also not an attempt to discover whether or not you think the word should be offensive or to learn the basis of your opinion.

Very obviously, you are under no obligation to answer the question I asked, but it would save a lot of my and mostly your time if you simply said that you aren't going to answer it rather than turning it into some sort of controversy. What's the point?

To justify my question (though I don't see why that is necessary), we are all presumably very well aware that various groups of people (racial/ethnic, sexual orientation based, nationality, occupation...) are referred to by a variety of words, some of which offend the people in the group and some of which don't. Moreover, it is very often difficult for someone outside the group to know which is which or why...and it often changes over time. A term that was once acceptable can become unacceptable to members of a group...happens frequently. Recently @TAG Manager banned (at the software level) a term for escorts which many of them find offensive from the board. I am old enough to recall a time at which that word did not seem to offend. Etc.

Anyway, I guess I'll just ask some women... You guys sound like a politician being asked a straight forward question by a reporter which he/she does not want to answer.

In case you've forgotten by now, the question is whether or not you, @4vibes (but anyone else's answer would be of interest too), refer to women as "pinks" to their face. If the answer is "yes", I'd be interested to know their reactions as well, but at this point it seems too much to hope that you would give up that much information.

-Ww

I have referred to women as pink, many shades/variations of pink in nicknames, and other kinds of pet names and nicknames, in which they didn't take offense to. And women have called me all kinds of names , pet names, and nicknames[emoji48] I didn't take offense to either. It depends on the nature of the relationship. If you are in an intimate sexual one or even friendship, she knows more of how you feel about her, versus a random guy on the street the doesn't know yet.

 

[Sinapse]

I know pink is a brand but I've never heard it used to refer directly to women. Are you calling them that because it's written on the butt of sweat pants? I'm not even really sure what you mean when you say "pinks were everywhere" it makes me think I should get into a bomb shelter or something. You saw the clothes of the brand pink or you just mean women?

I always just choose to call them.. (Not very revolutionary or novel here)... Women or girls.

 

[Solong]

I know pink is a brand but I've never heard it used to refer directly to women. Are you calling them that because it's written on the butt of sweat pants? I'm not even really sure what you mean when you say "pinks were everywhere" it makes me think I should get into a bomb shelter or something. You saw the clothes of the brand pink or you just mean women?

I always just choose to call them.. (Not very revolutionary or novel here)... Women or girls.

Pink has been used for some years as slang for vagina and as gentler substitute word for pussy.

Women will at times use it themselves, to separate boys from girls, blues from pinks. And as slang or code.

But it's never been super popular, as far as I can tell or remember.

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Pink

 

[NormalGuy]

Thank you for the past posts as they clearly show the divide between the different styles of PUA where both Sinapse and Solong differ from 4vibes style of references to women.

I did do a search on google for "PUA slang Pinks", "what are Pinks" etc and couldn't find any of 4vibes "we PUA all love our Pinks", I (as Sinapse pointed out) would think that most PUA would have no clue what you were talking about.

As Solong pointed out, and as I had heard it used in the past in slang it refers to the vagina (just look up "pot the pink" in urban dictionary), I also "think" (and just my thoughts) that this is exactly how it was being used in the first posts but because everybody didn't jump on the bandwagon there's been a backtrack and claim it is for women in general.

I still will post my thoughts on PUA (was out last night) but to me a successful PUA has style, which comes through in some of Sinapses and Solongs posts, but when some others post you just wonder how they survive with such misogynous views.

 

[4vibes]

I know pink is a brand but I've never heard it used to refer directly to women. Are you calling them that because it's written on the butt of sweat pants? I'm not even really sure what you mean when you say "pinks were everywhere" it makes me think I should get into a bomb shelter or something. You saw the clothes of the brand pink or you just mean women?

I always just choose to call them.. (Not very revolutionary or novel here)... Women or girls.

What color represents Valentine? Pink. I meant love was in the air.

 

[4vibes]

People have problems when 'vagina' or 'pink' can not be use given that this forum is a sex forum. They have to reevaluate their attitude towards women and sex.

This is the state of Western men's sexuality. This is not PUA. They are trying to bring the confusion into PUA. PUA is about bring fun back to men and women interaction. Any misogynous views or behaviors will be detected by the women. They have the veto power. So this argument is mute.

 

[Wwanderer]

What color represents Valentine? Pink. I meant love was in the air.

Red is far more commonly used as the valentines color actually, although pink shows up too...also white occasionally.

-Ww

 

[Solong]

Thank you for the past posts as they clearly show the divide between the different styles of PUA where both Sinapse and Solong differ from 4vibes style of references to women.

I did do a search on google for "PUA slang Pinks", "what are Pinks" etc and couldn't find any of 4vibes "we PUA all love our Pinks", I (as Sinapse pointed out) would think that most PUA would have no clue what you were talking about.

As Solong pointed out, and as I had heard it used in the past in slang it refers to the vagina (just look up "pot the pink" in urban dictionary), I also "think" (and just my thoughts) that this is exactly how it was being used in the first posts but because everybody didn't jump on the bandwagon there's been a backtrack and claim it is for women in general.

I still will post my thoughts on PUA (was out last night) but to me a successful PUA has style, which comes through in some of Sinapses and Solongs posts, but when some others post you just wonder how they survive with such misogynous views.

Pink(s) can refer to female or sex, not just vagina. And the tone of the word has always been more light and playful, even when used as a substitute for vagina.

I think getting overly feminist about it is unnecessary. I didn't interpret it as bashing women or any misogyny. If a woman said she would like to have some cock or blues around, I think most men would take no offense to it or even admire that a woman could be so comfortable with sexuality or reaffirm that she likes men. And like with any subculture, people will use slang and jargon specific to it.

I'm a bit concerned though about the environment, where men walk on eggshells about what women might think. We still should use objective standards, which are fair, and clarify the intention or if any insult is meant.

 

[4vibes]

Actually, I think this is solely an American men problem with sexuality. America is just too PC and their men are confused.

 

[NormalGuy]

If a woman said she would like to have some cock or blues around

I'd also think she was a bit of a twat to be honest, for a start I'd have no clue wtf she was on about.
if a stranger walked up to me in a bar and said she wanted some "blues", maybe I'd get the band to play some Dylan.
If she came up to me and said she wanted some cock, I'd be happy to maybe provide it, and I'd be happy she was comfortable enough to say it.
If she stood on the stage and announced to the crowd she wanted some cock, I'd question her sanity.

And like with any subculture, people will use slang and jargon specific to it

Pinks is not specific to the subculture if nobody else from the subculture uses it. It's specific to the person. As I said, I did numerous searches on PUA terminology and no reference to it.
http://www.pualingo.com/pua-terminology-list/#P

This isn't an attack on PUA, or the terms you use., but you are never going to police your own forum if just because someone labels themselves a PUA it gets them an automatic pass for being a dick

 

[4vibes]

I'd also think she was a bit of a twat to be honest, for a start I'd have no clue wtf she was on about.
if a stranger walked up to me in a bar and said she wanted some "blues", maybe I'd get the band to play some Dylan.
If she came up to me and said she wanted some cock, I'd be happy to maybe provide it, and I'd be happy she was comfortable enough to say it.
If she stood on the stage and announced to the crowd she wanted some cock, I'd question her sanity.


Pinks is not specific to the subculture if nobody else from the subculture uses it. It's specific to the person. As I said, I did numerous searches on PUA terminology and no reference to it.
http://www.pualingo.com/pua-terminology-list/#P

This isn't an attack on PUA, or the terms you use., but you are never going to police your own forum if just because someone labels themselves a PUA it gets them an automatic pass for being a dick

An American trying to preach to the world about morals? Interesting....

 

[Sinapse]

This isn't an attack on PUA, or the terms you use., but you are never going to police your own forum if just because someone labels themselves a PUA it gets them an automatic pass for being a dick

Not sure why it's my or @Solong responsibility to police anybody in particular. If someone says something blatantly false, I'll point out where they're wrong. Besides that, if you have a problem with somebody you could use the "report" function to call attention to a moderator or simply "ignore" them.

The term pink is one I hadn't really heard before but it doesn't particularly offend me.. Maybe a bit odd but that's fine

I suspect that the criticism has little to do with PUA at all, but rather just how we call women in general (no matter who is doing the calling)

 

[Wwanderer]

An American trying to preach to the world about morals? Interesting....

Ahhh...now nationality determines moral character? So all 320+ million Americans are immoral?!

I am beginning to feel that I have an adequate calibration of your thinking processes...

-Ww

 

[Wwanderer]

It depends on the nature of the relationship. If you are in an intimate sexual one or even friendship, she knows more of how you feel about her, versus a random guy on the street the doesn't know yet.

Definitely right...I totally agree. Within the context of an ongoing intimate relationship or a close friendship, you can definitely say all sorts of things to each other that would be huge problems between people what are not close to each other. I don't think that is particularly relevant to what we were discussing and doubt that anyone would disagree, but it is definitely true and commonplace.

-Ww

 

[Wwanderer]

Thank you for the past posts as they clearly show the divide between the different styles of PUA where both Sinapse and Solong differ from 4vibes style of references to women.

My impression also...very interesting/informative replies.

-Ww

 

[4vibes]

Ahhh...now nationality determines moral character? So all 320+ million Americans are immoral?!

I am beginning to feel that I have an adequate calibration of your thinking processes...

-Ww

So American. Everyone is wrong except America. What is the population of the world???? You do want we do. So funny. How often has America back track from its action? Slavery, Against Alcohol, Saddam with Weapons of mass destruction, Vietnam War, Gulf of Tonkin Incident, etc....

 

[NormalGuy]

The grip on reality in this thread is fading fast, this is not the right forum, and definitely not the right thread for spewing your hatred of America.

 

[Wwanderer]

So American. Everyone is wrong except America. What is the population of the world???? You do want we do. So funny. How often has America back track from its action? Slavery, Against Alcohol, Saddam with Weapons of mass destruction, Vietnam War, Gulf of Tonkin Incident, etc....

I actually agree with all of your criticisms of the US and have made all of them and others myself. Indeed there are many millions of Americans who have opposed those things and succeeded in ending some of them. And to answer your question explicitly, it has back tracked on slavery (and fought the bloodiest ever of its many wars to do so) and gotten rid of the prohibition of alcohol.

What is your home country? I suppose everyone there is the same morally...all equally right or wrong together. But anyway, we are way off topic, and I think I'll take a pass on resorting to playground level taunting.

-Ww

 

[4vibes]

The grip on reality in this thread is fading fast, this is not the right forum, and definitely not the right thread for spewing your hatred of America.

Hate??? For pointing out that America is not always moral???? Stop preaching American morals on a PUA thread.