Why Are Escorts So Expensive In Japan?

[User#8807]

ok, sorry i used the word `slut`.
Im just jealous cause i would love to be one.

i hear what you are saying, basically you get what you pay for.
Im seriously looking into buying one of those expensive sex dolls, itll be a one off payment and then i can have my dirty ways with it whenever i want without paying money or taking it out for dinner.

Firstly, if you don’t to be paying over the top rates for every interaction with a woman, I would address your attitude towards women in general when you are in a bad mood. Calling escorts, “sluts” is hardly a great start, and because they choose to do the profession does not mean that they choose to give up the right to any respect and dignity. Also, telling people “bollocks” when they respond to your thread may not encourage people to offer you any constructive advice.

Unless your attitude changes, I seriously can’t see people wanting to interact with you. Read the board, see how people interact with each other and try and keep your interactions within the acceptable social norms, not be another “oh we have one of those guys” who’s every post gets reported and they are deemed unwelcome.
My advice, take it or leave it.

For your original statement backing up the term you used
slang disapproving: a woman who has sexual relationships with a lot of men without any emotional involvement.

Nothing to do with monetary transaction, although if you really believe women only enjoy sex when they are getting something materialistic out of it then I guess we have a member of the MGTOW club (read up on them, I did, lol)..

As per your original point, why is London cheaper for escorts than Tokyo.

I can see some of what you are saying, but also having lived there I think it’s definitely on par with Tokyo, but completely different city in a completely different continent.

Incall
London has an open borders policy with the rest of Europe, there are many people from many different countries that all go to the UK seeking to make their fortune. The risk of deportation for crimes is minimal (unless major crimes) so going to the UK from one of the poorer European countries and renting one of the flats can earn the girls wages far more than would be possible back home. This is the same in all major European capitals where the economy is doing well, England (soho), Holland (Amsterdam RLD), Germany(frauenhausers) all will get you a lower end “quick bang” for around 1万 yen. Trying to find a woman for less than that and you will struggle, but also be delving into the territory of women you’d maybe not want to sleep with (ok, maybe 50 euros outside the UK is normal). Try getting a genuine Japanese escort in London, virtually impossible, the prices they charge are premium to say the least, if you can find one (and you know the difference between a Chinese, Korean pretending to be Japanese) and she is genuine Japanese it will cost you upwards of £300 an hour (at least). In-call in the UK, for the average girl not coming from a poorer country is around the £100 an hour.

Now compare this to Tokyo, with its far more restrictive immigration policy (although some undesirables still manage to get through). Here you are dealing with Japanese who have grown up in the economy, know the value of things and aren’t here to make money “to send home” while they live on a shoestring. There is no cheaper country flooding the market, therefore the market rates remain stable at a price point that the typical Japanese man going the P4P route has no problem affording. The non-Asian women who choose to do this are pretty much in the minority (incall is definitely risky for visa issues) and people will pay a premium because of this. The non-Japanese Asian women (Korean. Chinese) are the cheaper end of the market (similar to the UK poorer countries) and these can be found for the equivalent of your UK low cost escorts (1万 yen is typical of KH and Chinese in-call). Most in-call in Tokyo, if you are aiming at average and Japanese is around the 1.5-2万 mark.

Outcall
Again, the cost of an outcall escort in Tokyo is on par with London.

London Adultwork lists most London average escort rates at around the £100-150 an hour, (2-3万) you can pick up all different kinds of women at this rate, but the lower end of the scale (2万) typically only do in-call and you pay a premium to have them come to your hotel, In my opinion, having an escort do out-call in London would typically cost you about 3万 an hour.

Tokyo you can easily find agencies that will provide women similar (if not cheaper) than the London rate. Last time I dipped into the P4P market I was paying 12k for DH, then tipping the girl between 5-10k for everything goes), so 22k max for cute little Japanese women to have a nice hour with.

The only thing I will point out, is that for some reason the agency/FL price points are switched in the UK and Japan. In that in the UK you generally pay the higher price if the girl is provided by an agency, whereas in Japan the premium is generally for the independents, but I never really did any looking around for non agency women in Japan so maybe Japanese women charge less if you find them on backpage etc.

For the price you are paying, 3万 you can have a good time whichever city you are in, you can go lower in both, you can go higher in both. Pay what you are comfortable with but unless you leave the bad attitude behind, perhaps the sex shops in AKB would offer better value for money.

TLR, London and Tokyo are pretty much exactly the same

I lived and worked in London for quite a while, whilst I was never one for nipping out to the soho shops during lunch hours when I came to Tokyo I actually thought the cost was a lot lower, so I guess it's all about individual perceptions.

 

[User#8807]

I think the OP could try to re-examine his attitude towards women and sex. Generally what you give to others is what you get back, so if your life is a string of shitty experiences where you feel ripped off, you are probably the source of that misery not the environment around you. If you are rude and careless towards you escort because you pay her and you think you have the right to be, she is probably not inclined to give you anything special either. Probably she is thinking, oh, one of those guys, lets lie here, pretend im somewhere else, and get it over with to take home the money. If you try being a bit nicer and more considerate about who she is and what she likes, you might actually have more fun when you are having sex with her. Just give it some thought, it applies not only to this topic but to every aspect of your life.

im am examining my attitude towards women and sex.
im a product of my environment.

I always treat people with respect, my gripe is paying lots of money and walking away unsatisfied, only to repeat the process over and over in the hope that i will find a great shag.

 

[Wwanderer]

I disagree. I think we understand completely. You have a penis, no money, no time, no social skills and no understanding of women or biology. None of this is anybody's fault but your own.

This.

-Ww

 

[Wwanderer]

Neither the OP nor his problems much concern me, and it is unlikely that anything anyone can post on an internet forum is going to have much effect or help him significantly anyway.

However, what does very much concern me is that while the frequency of posts and number of posters showing hostility to escorts and sex workers and just plain misogyny in general is not large on TAG, it almost seems to be increasing recently. The reason for my concern is that I have seen sex workers effectively chased away from internet forums with a p4p focus if the overall mood/tone of the board is too negative towards them. Basically why should they bother?

Participation in TAG discussion threads by escorts has greatly increased in the last few months, and the board is MUCH more interesting and engaging as a result imo and in that of most TAGers I strongly suspect. I would really hate to see that trend reverse due to a few rude and disrespectful (or worse) members.

-Ww

 

[Randy Jinx]

im am examining my attitude towards women and sex.
im a product of my environment.

I always treat people with respect, my gripe is paying lots of money and walking away unsatisfied, only to repeat the process over and over in the hope that i will find a great shag.

Why don't you post what it is that WOULD make you feel satisfied and then perhaps people here might be more inclined to point you in the right direction?
You say you feel empty inside after paying for sex. Maybe p4p isn't for you.
You say women don't enjoy sex. Maybe women aren't for you.
You say you might invest in a doll. Dolls just lie there too and you have to pay for it. Maybe dolls wouldn't end up being for you either.

I read through your posts here and other threads and I honestly have no help for you mate. Sorry you're frustrated at everything in life. Perhaps, it gets better?

 

[WarMonkey]

@Reachin I think the issue may be that the girls have to pretend to enjoy sex when the guy mistreats her, talks trash and overall has no talent in bed.

 

[Randy Jinx]

Or perhaps we've found the answer...

http://tokyoadultguide.com/threads/necrophilia-escorts.10264/#post-51221

 

[RandomTokyoGuy]

Ive paid 60k for an hour and it was no different to a 30k shag.
I hang around the 30k budget, I cant afford more than that.

Have to apologize. I simply misread your situation. You are not playing in a higher league, just too lazy or incapable of doing your homework and now trying to blame others but your self.
Puzzles me, why you find your way on this board to complain, but don't manage to use the review section.
Not touching on your attitude, has been done here sufficiently by others. Hard to imagine you being respectful in a rl situation.

 

[gaijinsan]

my dog is a female, am i being disrespectful when i call her a bitch? No, because it is what it is.

That's not even remotely an appropriate analogy. My intuition tells me that you probably think male escorts are lucky guys with a great job (but female escorts? SL*TS!) It also tells me that you probably don't care about pleasuring your date--I wonder why you always leave unsatisfied?

 

[Wowzerz]

Why should he be concerned about pleasuring the prostitute he's paying? Whose paying who, again? Ultimately it doesn't matter if the prostitute is having a good time or not, THAT'S WHAT THE MONEY's FOR!
To the OP... I'm in full agreement with you regarding prices here in Japan. For services and quality offered, it's a rip-off. I actually made a large post about it which many here derided as heresy: http://tokyoadultguide.com/threads/p4p-overpriced-civilian-scene-dying-not-worth-it.9915/

P.S. Everyone jumping over this guy's ass for using the 'slut' word is a little... misguided in my view. Slut. Whore. 'Off Limits' words and the social justice warrior crowd. Many here seem to be in denial. I'll just leave it at that.

 

[NormalGuy]

Again, you seem to be capitalising words to place emphasis as if they are true, as if you understand what most people are paying money for, I understand from your post that you are paying your money to get your rocks off, and don't give a shit about the woman, definitely different to most people on this board.

You seem to be having a bad time with the services and quality on offer in Japan, but can't work out the correlation between your attitude and the services received. Your previous post was "derided as heresy" because it bears no semblance to any reality that most other board members are experiencing.

What is misguided in trying to educate someone that using a word with a negative meaning, over other words is more likely to get them treated better by the person in question.

Many people here seem to be "in denial" of what, being a decent human being?

 

[Sudsy]

Everyone jumping over this guy's ass for using the 'slut' word is a little... misguided in my view. Slut. Whore. 'Off Limits' words and the social justice warrior crowd.

Objecting to asinine and immature behaviour is hardly being a "social justice warrior". A significant number of the regular posters on this board are providers that many of us have had dealings with on either a business or social level, and personally, I find it boorish to use insulting and denigrating language when referring to them.

 

[User#8628]

Why should he be concerned about pleasuring the prostitute he's paying? Whose paying who, again? Ultimately it doesn't matter if the prostitute is having a good time or not, THAT'S WHAT THE MONEY's FOR!
To the OP... I'm in full agreement with you regarding prices here in Japan. For services and quality offered, it's a rip-off. I actually made a large post about it which many here derided as heresy: http://tokyoadultguide.com/threads/p4p-overpriced-civilian-scene-dying-not-worth-it.9915/

P.S. Everyone jumping over this guy's ass for using the 'slut' word is a little... misguided in my view. Slut. Whore. 'Off Limits' words and the social justice warrior crowd. Many here seem to be in denial. I'll just leave it at that.

Of course, as a guy is recieving a service, he doesn have to give the woman an orgasm or play with her (as in doing foreplay on her) if he doesn't want to. Basic respect is required everywhere though (you get thrown out of a lot of places if you act like a dick, even if you are a paying customer).
The reason why many guys choose to pleasure a sexworker is because, even if a guy isn't particulary into a woman or even if he doesn't like talking to women for hours and taking care of their deepest emotional needs, a lot of guys like to make a woman arroused or get her off because this makes them feel like they are skillful and good in bed.
Believe it or not, a lot of guys like to feel like they are good at sex.

As for p4p being overpriced: i'd like to point out to you and OP that you can get off in a pink salon for just 3000 yen. Yes, its no FS, but thats officially not allowed which naturally drives the price up (places where prostitution is totally legal tend to be a bit cheaper). If you want FS, there are many Chinese and other Asian providers offering it for 10.000 which is pretty cheap, also in other countries. Yes, there are not the locals. But the girls in most of the cheapest places in west Europe are usually east European, so same thing. Locals are usually a bit more expensive.

 

[User#10402]

I understand that somewhere in between the title of this thread was changed, but now it reads a little bit misguiding. The title is actually very good, but the original post that started the conversation doesn’t live up to it.

I thought this was going to be an interesting thread about the difference in rates between indie escorts and other types of escort. @MissInsomnia mentioned something about it, specially all the “hidden costs” that are usually assumed by the shop that then become part of the escort’s burden when it goes independent, like clothes and advertising. Plus all the “invisible time” that becomes works outside the actual sessions, like arranging sessions, not to mention cancelations.

I think shops are taking unfair advantage when they split revenues half and half with escorts. 50/50 my ass! But it is true that the staff and managers of adult shops are doing part of the work behind scenes to make the escort’s appointments work, and when this works stops being done efficiently by a team and becomes the sole responsibility of a single escort it becomes a big share of her costs for doing business. In most cases the rates of a escort that goes indie either remain the same or must go higher to make up for the costs of being independent. This goes against the intuition of most P4P consumers who usually believe that meeting a escort outside her shop should be cheaper since they are cutting the middle man.

Finally, as @User#8628 said, there is actually a huge price spectrum of sexual services in Japan, from cheap pink salons to high end soaplands. The most common tier that gets you closer to traditional escorts in other countries are health shops and health delivery, in which case the customer needs to understand that intercourse is not guaranteed, at least the first time, but reading among lines is usually offered for repeating customers. If the shop only manages very young and very beautiful women then full service is rarely offered, but if the shop manages more mature and average looking women then full-service is implied with an additional fee. If you are unsure, you can check information online. Health shops and health delivery would require you to know Japanese, and some don’t accept foreigners regardless of language.

An even cheaper option and with full service guaranteed are chinese ‘esute’, but they are underground by nature, you would need to try several until you find one that satisfies you. And there is also the enjoukousai scene and the deai cafes if what you want is to meet Japanese women that do escorting but rarely as their main source of living, more like an extra, although sometimes indie escorts use deai cafes as well. The chinese ‘esute’ are more tolerant to people making their way in with just English, but the deai cafes will ask you to show some Japanese proficiency and that you understand the rules.

Finally, foreign escorts in Japan, specially caucasian escorts, and Japanese escorts that speak english are almost exclusively on the higher end, this demography is small and there is less offer of them so they can position themselves better and charge more. There is a lot of variation in rates there as well, but from the very beginning you are already starting at least one tier higher than the usual prices of health hotels and health delivery. If on top of that they are young, beautiful, and sophisticated you are already into very high-end territory.

Some practical advice: in the long term is better that you pay for longer sessions and have more recurrent encounters with a cheaper escort you get used to, instead of paying for the higher escort that you can allow in a short session. That’s Louis C.K. advice, only get a yacht if you can afford to maintain at least two yachts comfortably. Otherwise you will be straining yourself and putting a lot of pressure on the escort and yourself on making the session be worth its money. The same goes for quantity and variety, unless you can afford to try several escorts comfortably and understand that the experience will vary among them, it’s better that you find one or a few good regulars and stick to them.

If the issue is emotional, well, nothing can be done there. If you are already conflicted about women, don’t go the P4P route, the money will only add resentment. You need to understand that for escorts this is their job, some might enjoy it and do a great work, but they are motivated to charge as much as possible in their respective labour market. Just like a programmer or a designer would do regardless of how much they like programming or designing.

 

[User#10402]

Why should he be concerned about pleasuring the prostitute he's paying? Whose paying who, again? Ultimately it doesn't matter if the prostitute is having a good time or not, THAT'S WHAT THE MONEY's FOR!

High class escorts advertise for “escapades”, “adventures” and “unforgettable experiences”, but that is well… advertising. I believe that a lot of escorts truly have the intention to offer you an unforgettable experience if you let them, but that is not really what you are paying for in the strict sense. Apple might advertise you their products as tools for you to make amazing beautiful things, and if you use them well you might be able to make those things, but they are only contractually bounded to give you a computer in a box, that’s all. With escorts you are paying for having the opportunity of having sex with someone usually younger and better looking than you, with no strings attached, no seduction involved, convenience in time, respect for privacy, and someone which is not going to make you feel uncomfortable about your looks, personality, and performance as believable as possible. You are paying for a sure thing, as that Pretty Woman scene goes:

I appreciate this whole seduction scene you've got goin', but let me give you a tip: I'm a sure thing, okay?
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Some escorts, very rarely high-class escorts though, don’t even consider that it is an obligation for them to be active in bed, as long as they get naked and let you have sex with them that fulfills their service. They call them tuna/maguro in Japan. Other escorts consider being active in bed and ensuring your pleasure their obligation, but they don’t consider a “girl friend experience” part of their work, let alone their duty. The higher the fees of a escort get it is implied that she will try to be more active and try to give you a girl friend experience (unless she is advertising for something completely different, like porn experience or SM), and you are paying for that performance, how believable it gets depends on both you and her. You might want to look at basic improv rules, like ‘yes, and…’

Not giving escorts an attitude and don’t making them uncomfortable physically takes you a long way. Pleasuring them, without pressuring them about orgasms, is usually very well received and you get benefits like them being a little bit more flexible about time or giving you better service. Finally, if you become a recurrent customer with a positive attitude, then you can create genuine familiarity and they will take note of what pleasures you better and provide a “girl friend experience” as much as the their job boundaries allow for. That said, even if the encounter is just a one time thing, attitude goes a long way for better service.

It’s just common sense, escorts are people and service providers, I feel like a lot of P4P users have an attitude towards escorts that would guarantee them pee in their soup at even a Michelin 3 star restaurant. And I’m just talking from the consumer logic, more should be said for human empathy towards escorts, sex work is a tough job that not everyone can do and is not always as well remunerated as it should, we should cut escorts some extra slack.

 

[User#8628]

I totally agree with @Reon's two posts.

 

[Wwanderer]

I've been active on monger boards since they first appeared and even earlier on related network newsgroups, and I long ago noticed a remarkably strong correlation between the guys who complain bitterly and frequently about low quality experiences and bad provider attitudes and the ones who feel that the *only* thing they need bring to and invest in a p4p date is their money...the ones that believe the sex worker's fees put all of the burden for every other aspect of the encounter on her.

If you think carefully, you may be able to understand the origin and nature of this correlation.

(The previous sentence is sarcasm.)

-Ww

 

[Wwanderer]

I totally agree with @Reon's two posts.

I completely agree. @Reon 's two posts above totally nailed it.

The only thing I would add is that there is nothing unique about his points to sex work; it is the same whenever you purchase a service from an individual, whether it is your attorney or your dentist or your electrician or whatever. Being considerate, respectful, cooperative and doing what you can to make the person's work easier will usually get you far better service than a customer who pays the same thing but thinks that doing so is their only obligation.

-Ww

 

[User#8628]

The thing is, both this original post and the comment of @Wowzerz who brought it back are just people complaining and not looking for solutions at all.

P4p might be a bit more expensive here than in some European countries where things are more legalized and of course it's more expensive in countries with a poorer economy than Japan.
However, there are many services here for cheap prices, a lot cheaper than the 30.000 OP mentioned for spending.
The girls adverticing on TAG are all high end but most of the reviews are about low budget places.

For people here who are actually looking for low budget places and not just wanting to complain:
@WarMonkey has some great reviews about non FS places where you can get off without hurting your wallet too much. @darkholer has a lot of reviews of really cheap places with FS. He speaks proper Japanese however.
If you don't speak any Japanese but you insist on getting with the locals instead of Chinese or other non Japanese Asians shops, then yes, you will have to pay around 30.000 because the options for Japanese girls that speak good English or Japanese girls who are ok with meeting someone they can't communicate with at all are limited.

 

[Yuma]

Wow. I should probably try to stop think all the British guys are
"Polite Respectful Gentleman"

 

[Jack Hammer]

Wow. I should probably try to stop think all the British guys are
"Polite Respectful Gentleman"

Dont you know thats just a myth, majority of us are just dumbass bellends

 

[Yuma]

Dont you know thats just a myth, majority of us are just dumbass bellends

And I know you guys are big drinker!
Would you like some?

 

[Jack Hammer]

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And I know you guys are big drinker!
Would you like some?

If only i fit the stereotype, but sadly i cant drink as much as the common british blokes, i blame my japanese side

 

[User#8628]

Dont you know thats just a myth, majority of us are just dumbass bellends

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And I know you guys are big drinker!
Would you like some?

It's funny because people America and some other distant countries think Brittish people are classy but fellow Europeans and poorer country people have the stereotype of them being really drunk, bad behaving tourists.

 

[Soapysoap66]

It's funny because people America and some other distant countries think Brittish people are classy but fellow Europeans and poorer country people have the stereotype of them being really drunk, bad behaving tourists.

This is my experience. British tourists (or at least men) are terrible. Lot's of "wanker" and fucks (and combos of those) being thrown around.