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dooyam said:
I am interested in trying the trial plan at first but would like to know how much do the girls ask for?!!
I already know about the sitting price and registering price. The thing that I can't figure out is how much do the girls ask as an average.
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It is encoded in their profiles, which you cannot see until you are a member or trial member, in a slightly veiled (but perfectly specific) way. It will be explained to you when you join or trial-join.

-Ww
 
Wwanderer said:
I am pretty sure Solong is on the right track re the UC gals' reluctance to kiss deeply (often called DFK = Deep French Kissing in mongering circles). The whole topic/activity has a complicated and sort of weird history in the West too.

In decades past, before there was any online commercial sex presence (or indeed before there was much presence of anything online) it was quite rare to find an escort who would provide DFK to her customers.
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Interesting, thank you! I'd always thought the no-kissing rule was just from movies, not based in fact! Even went as far as to ask the girl I see quite regularly why, her reply was that she's "not good at it". She is quite young too, but most of my dating experience has been with a bit older girls, wonder if there's also a generation component in Japan.

Regarding platinum vs gold, personally I'd say I find the platinum girls more attractive in general. Suspect a number of factors go into the categorization though and I've seen girls (rarely) move from one to another. Age and attractiveness do seem to be major factors, and the 1 or 1,4 girls seem to rarely be platinum.

Edit: oh, and UC also gave me the spiel about girls lowering their price after a few dates, but I'm pretty skeptical unless it's a girl who doesn't get any other offers.
 
dooyam said:
I am interested in trying the trial plan at first but would like to know how much do the girls ask for?!!
I already know about the sitting price and registering price. The thing that I can't figure out is how much do the girls ask as an average.
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I'd guess the average is around Y40-50k. Few girls ask for more than that, and I'd estimate 90% are between Y30k-Y50k.
 
Wwanderer said:
It is encoded in their profiles, which you cannot see until you are a member or trial member, in a slightly veiled (but perfectly specific) way. It will be explained to you when you join or trial-join.

-Ww
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So there no average amount? and the amount specified does it say an amount of time?!! or is it a until you're both satisfied kind of thing?!!
I am planning on taking the trial plan this week but would love to know how many hours can a normal date go for(dinner and talking) and many hours/minutes can I spend with the girl.

I did not see anybody mentioning that part so I am curious. If anybody can tell me his experience I would appreciated.

Thanks
 
drewz said:
I'd guess the average is around Y40-50k. Few girls ask for more than that, and I'd estimate 90% are between Y30k-Y50k.
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I see!! depending on time spent with them it might be a reasonable amount (2~3 hours not including dinner)
 
dooyam said:
So there no average amount? and the amount specified does it say an amount of time?!! or is it a until you're both satisfied kind of thing?!!
I am planning on taking the trial plan this week but would love to know how many hours can a normal date go for(dinner and talking) and many hours/minutes can I spend with the girl.
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Well, the amount of time you spend is completely dependent on the girl, date specifics, etc. Do remember that it generally is a date, not an N hour service. I'd recommend a schedule that keeps things flexible, i.e. time enough for the usual love hotel 'stay' time of 2-3 hours after dinner/drinks/whatever, without it getting too late.

My dates have generally been around 5 hours, sometimes a bit more or less depending on plans and chemistry. I've certainly never had a girl try to skip out of the hotel after just an hour, and on the other hand you can't expect to shag a girl for 4 hours straight unless you'd previously learned that she's down for that. Just be flexible and don't demand too much on the first date, and the next time you can make whatever plans are mutually agreeable.
 
Ditto.

I second drewz's post just above, especially the 2nd sentence! The less you think of the event as buying a service from the woman and the more you think of it as a date, the better the experience will be imo.

Fwiiw, my one UC date lasted a bit over 4 hours.

Re prices, I agree with drewz's on the typical level...around 4-5 ma'en I'd estimate, but my purusing of the site indicated a larger number of women with higher requested gifts than drewz seemed to imply. I saw a fair number in the 6-10 range and a few even higher...but there are certainly many many choices in the 5 or less range.

-Ww
 
And I can echo the comments of Ww & Drewz. It really is a date not a service.

My dates have ranged from 4 to 5 hours, with repeat dates with one particular girl up to 7 hours. We occasionally do some shopping before or after the meal, nice way to spend some extra time together, and nothing too extravagant with the shopping.

For evening dates most girls have to catch a train home so keep 11pm in mind as a rough deadline. So a late start, after 7 could limit your time.

And afternoon dates can be very enjoyable and provide a good amount of time with your date. Not easy with my regular office hours but nice when possible.

On fees, I have paid between Y40k to Y70k (just once) so I would put the average at Y50k.

SN.
 
xanther said:
I was wondering how you know which personal compensation a girl would like to get. Does each girl state it on her profile page? Or do you have to select the girl first, and the Club then tells you how much it is?
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Just to give to some general parameters for the Japanese sugar daddy scene: On Japanese keijiban sites, you see girls saying they want "@7" for each meeting at the high end (and stating they are confident in the looks) down to offers from older or fat ("pocha") women down to "@1". The "at" mark is code speak for 1 man. Then you see offers tossed around for monthly contracts ranging from 10 man per month up to 50 man, or even higher. So it is a really wide market, and the women are quite aware of their different market value, which tends to decrease with age and weight.

The sugar girl who I found recently (and am so deliriously happy about) accepted my offer for "@3" per meeting. As time goes by, and I stay with her, I fully expect this to come down, as it always happens. I don´t expect to go to zero, but she´ll be happy with less if I tell her am currently short on cash. My previous sugar girl was quite happy to meet me for @1 sometimes, or yes, even just a nice dinner if she was in the neighbourhood and felt like it. Look at it from the girls point of view: They meet someone they know, they trust, and are comfortable with. They don´t have to take the risk to be with someone alone in a LH room who then turns out to be a jerk. Face it, female sexuality it is very different from male sexuality.

And yes, it is completely different thing from escort girls with a pimp (aka agency) in between. There is no ticking clock, no pressure, and it really becomes like a "friends with benefits" thing. My last sugar girl even helped me do my taxes, and did odd jobs for me (sometime topped off with a quick BBBJ). Life does not get better than this.
 
Wwanderer said:
Interestingly, I have read and heard (but have no way of knowing first hand, of course) that current day American adolescents often consider DFK more intimate, or more "gross", than oral sex...a complete and stark reversal of the attitudes compared to when I was that age! Bill Clinton's influence maybe?
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I doubt it is just Slick Willie`s influence. When I was horing my way through Asia, I always found that professional girls don´t like French kissing. And like with many other Asian concepts, I completely agree with that. I "get" it. A BJ is a sex act; it is enjoyable, even if I don`t care much about the provider who is giving it. Kissing is completely personal. It is very intimate. Why would I kiss a stranger I don´t care much about? I kiss my my newly found sefure. A lot. But that is GFE. Kissing an AM girl? Maybe, if we really clicked. But otherwise, no. I think it is one of these many things that Western civilization got wrong, upside-down, messed-up, mixed-up, befuddled and confused. It is a long list, kissing is just a one item in it.
 
Interesting coincidence that this otherwise few month old/cold thread got dredged up by Zaphod just yesterday, since I came here today specifically to post to it...just to update my UC situation/activities.

I've been in and focused on northern Europe for most of the summer but will be back in Tokyo next week and then again for a longer period starting in mi-October. In preparation I've joined UC as a "Platinum Member" and have already arranged a "setting" (UC jargon for first date) with my top-priority-to-meet UC lady for the end of the week. I feel lucky that she was able to match my very limited availability this visit. It is going to be a super-busy/hectic trip, and I just hope that I will have enough energy left at the end of the work week to do her justice.

Originally I was intending to go for the cheaper "Gold Member" status, based partly on advice/info in this thread; however, when I culled through the UC profiles carefully, I found that 4 of my top 7 favorites are Platinum level (although the one I am meeting next week is a Gold level); that seemed to me to be enough to justify the extra expense.

Anyway, I am looking forward to being back in my favorite city soon but would like to request that someone turn down the heat a few notches before I arrive!

-Ww
 
Thank you all for sharing the experiences with UC. Sounds like a new type of experience as compared to the regular escort service (even from independent). My problem is similar to a earlier post that I only visit Japan from time to time for meetings (couple of days or a weeks typical). I am wondering whether it would still be possible for me to set up date before my arrival. I understand the possibility of reschedule that could lead to my disappointment with limit time frame.
 
I'm in a similar situation as the above poster. Been waiting for additional comment/reviews from the likes of -Ww and others that have first hand experience. I have another Tokyo trip coming up (I travel to Japan a few times a year) and have become a trial member of UC. I actually became a posting member of TAG to chime in. So far, the emails between me and UC have been encouraging. Though nothing set yet. What I was told is that they want to meet in person for the membership, pay the fee, then you can begin the settings arrangements for dates.
 
I had a first date with an SB from UC on Friday night and can only rate it a grand slam home run, everything I hoped for and then some! If it had been any better, I would have needed an ambulance. We will definitely be seeing each other again. It was terrific in many ways, not just in bed; the whole evening (which lasted 8-9 hours) was a blast.

I'll also definitely be doing some more UC "settings" (first dates with one of the women from their site) in the months ahead..and probably beyond.

-Ww
 
@Pacific and @SoCalOCGuy:

Yep, you have to be in Tokyo to meet them and join, though you can pay via a website with a credit card if you don't want to do so at the meeting itself.

And also yep, once you are a member you can arrange a setting via a website or email from anywhere.

In fact, based on what I have heard from both UC staff and the two women I've met from UC, it is MUCH better to request a setting as far in advance as possible, especially if you want to meet a specific woman or one from a short list and/or if you have little schedule flexibility yourself. Basically these women are not pros and have their own lives, so to speak, that are as busy as nearly everyone's seems to be in Tokyo. So, if you try to arrange a setting on short notice, it is like trying to get a first date with any attractive "civilian" woman on similarly short notice...chances are that she will already be busy. UC told me it was good to send a request a week or more in advance whenever possible, again not so different from asking a woman out on a "regular" date. As several of us have been saying already in this thread, the more you think of UC settings as ordinary first dates, the better things work.

-Ww
 
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-Ww, Thanks for the prompt reply. Would definitely try it out from my upcoming trip in early October. But I guess I probably only have time for the interview. Not really possible to set up anything in 0ne or two days, right? BTW, what about the possibility to meet SB from other cities in Japan? Or it'a mainly for Tokyo area.
 
Pacific said:
-Ww, Thanks for the prompt reply. Would definitely try it out from my upcoming trip in early October. But I guess I probably only have time for the interview. Not really possible to set up anything in 0ne or two days, right? BTW, what about the possibility to meet SB from other cities in Japan? Or it'a mainly for Tokyo area.
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I can't speak for UC of course, but no, I'd guess that it IS possible to set something up on short notice, maybe even for the same evening sometimes...just not ideal. I was not told any minimum time just that it is *better* to request a setting a week or more ahead.

I would suggest explaining your situation and desire to see someone on short notice when you contact UC to set up the interview. I imagine they will tell you if it can work or not.

On your other question, they do list SBs in a few other Japanese cities, but the large majority are in Tokyo.

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I would agree with Wwanderer that the earlier you can arrange a date the better the chance to see the girl you really want to see.

If you want a date immediately after the interview based on time limitations you will need to quickly select some girls or follow a UC recommendation.

In my opinion you will get the most out of UC by setting up dates with the girls you most want to see after careful consideration.

This has certainly worked for me, of course being a resident if Tokyo is a huge advantage.

SN...
 
Got the trial membership before my business trip to Tsukuba. Went through the interview and first settting within the limited 3 days time frame I had around Tokyo area. The club is rather helpful and promptly response to my questions and limited options during travel and business schedule.

I gave them my 3 choices before I leave for Japan. Fortunately one of them can accommodate my only available evening. I had a fantabulous night with a "kawaii" Japanese girl that I don't think I would be able to find if not through such club. Much more GFE than any independent or agency provider I met before.

Thank you all for sharing the experiences that lead me to it. Now I really envy you guys live in the area.... Maybe I should talk to the club to extend the business to my place.
 
Welcome to the Club, Pacific!

And thanks for letting us know how it went. I guess you now have to decide if you spend enough time in Tokyo to justify becoming a paying member.

-Ww
 
Thanks, Ww and SN,

There are MILF, OL, and "kawaii" girl/student types of selections in the club. I selected one from each type as my 3 choices. Got the "kawaii" girl, who was great (posted earlier)

I know this should be of personal preference and probably depend the individual you met. But I am wondering is there any differences in the experiences you found among the types I mentioned. I probably asked too much. Just curious.

One final question is about the future contact. I did get the number and e-mail. But a message I sent after the date with e-mail with @docomo.ne.jp ending bounced back. Not sure what is the problem (wrong address or is there any limitation for sending e-mail to such docomo e-mail). Originally I thought e-mail would be easier for advanced contact and arrangement for the possible 2nd date before my next trip. Or I should just call (or send text?). Any advice on this?
 
Pacific said:
One final question is about the future contact. I did get the number and e-mail. But a message I sent after the date with e-mail with @docomo.ne.jp ending bounced back. Not sure what is the problem (wrong address or is there any limitation for sending e-mail to such docomo e-mail). Originally I thought e-mail would be easier for advanced contact and arrangement for the possible 2nd date before my next trip. Or I should just call (or send text?). Any advice on this?
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Then you have probably been dumped! Welcome to the broken heart club.
 
@Pacific and @Zaphod222

DoCoMo has a notorious spam rejection service. I've seen this happen with my office DoCoMo phone (personal phone is SoftBank) --- I had to change a setting to allow people to send me email via DoCoMo that wasn't on my 'address' list or not another DoCoMo address.

Just a possibility here... not 100% sure. You can try sending a SMS to the number directly since you now send SMS between carriers (if you don't have DoCoMo).
 
@Pacific...

I have dated girls with various occupations, never anyone older than early 30s. The experiences have varied but would not link it to occupation, age, etc. Just luck of the draw as to how we get along. For the most part it has been positive.

Cannot add to much more on the email problems. I use my Softbank address and had successfully contacted a girl with the Docomo address format you listed.

By and large now I use LINE to communicate for follow-up dates. As others suggested I would try a text or maybe LINE. Of the various texting apps this appears to be the most popular one in Japan.

My experience at UC has been that when you do exchange email addresses and phone numbers that you will get follow-up. Maybe I have just been lucky to date. My record is a LINE text about 10 minutes after we parted after our first date!

Hope you make contact again and it works out.

SN...
 
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