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[User#16452]

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[Wwanderer]

For anyone reading this thread but not the "Why Viagra Won't Fix Your Sex Life" one, there is a closely related discussion ongoing there. It starts with this post:

http://www.tokyoadultguide.com/threads/why-viagra-wont-fix-your-sex-life.8957/page-2#post-52561

and runs on from there.

My main comment (which I would have put here if I hadn't already posted it in that thread) is here:

http://www.tokyoadultguide.com/threads/why-viagra-wont-fix-your-sex-life.8957/page-2#post-52645

It includes the results of informal survey about clipped/unclipped preferences among young women (at the time) carried out almost 50 years ago by a couple of young women I knew. Data! Sort of.

Remarkably, @Solong and I seem to be in complete agreement on this topic!

-Ww

 

[Wwanderer]

Anyway, having foreskin is no excuse for bad hygiene. And they can just wash it before sex.

While true that it is no excuse, based on what I have heard from other women it is still the case that many men don't keep themselves clean enough under their foreskins. It is a bit like saying that there is no excuse for bad dental hygiene, but that doesn't change the fact that (seemingly) more than half the population has chronic bad dental hygiene.

This problem (under foreskin hygiene, not dental hygiene) is probably not so serious in Japan where showering/bathing immediately before sex is the norm (especially in p4p situations), but that is not the case in most of the world...certainly not in the US. I have heard escorts (in the US) comment on having really disgusting experiences when giving BBBJs to unclipped guys and suddenly encountering a horribly foul taste. (TMI?)

-Ww

 

[User#8628]

While true that it is no excuse, based on what I have heard from other women it is still the case that many men don't keep themselves clean enough under their foreskins. It is a bit like saying that there is no excuse for bad dental hygiene, but that doesn't change the fact that (seemingly) more than half the population has chronic bad dental hygiene.

This problem (under foreskin hygiene, not dental hygiene) is probably not so serious in Japan where showering/bathing immediately before sex is the norm (especially in p4p situations), but that is not the case in most of the world...certainly not in the US. I have heard escorts (in the US) comment on having really disgusting experiences when giving BBBJs to unclipped guys and suddenly encountering a horribly foul taste. (TMI?)

-Ww

Oh, this reminded me of the soaplands where they do bbbj before washing you... With almost all Japanese uncircumcised....
I think it mostly goes just fine (from what i see from my own experiences before jumping into the shower most guys are pretty clean there already) but there must be some gross situations every once in a while.

 

[john.smith]

I don't know.

I've looked at images on google to know, but it seems I am between both. The foreskin does not cover the whole penis, but I still need to retract the skin manually to pee.

 

[Wwanderer]

Oh, this reminded me of the soaplands where they do bbbj before washing you... With almost all Japanese uncircumcised....

Yeah, that part of the standard soapland course has some specific name in Japanese (which I have forgotten) and seems to have some special psychological or symbolic significance. It is suppose to demonstrate how subservient the woman is or how devoted to the guy's pleasure or how wild and horny she is or...something.

I always decline/refuse it both because I don't want the woman to have to put up with any odor or taste of my cock before it is washed even though I am circumcised and because it has a rushed feeling that to me is contrary to the whole relaxed and luxuriously prolonged mood of a soapland experience. It is apparently popular with most customers though.

-Ww

 

[Goshogawara]

According to a friend who works as a foam princess in Yoshiwara, phimosis is rather common among Japanese men. It is also common knowledge among the soap workers that phimosis is usually accompanied by less cleanliness and difficulty to reach an orgasm.

Another problem though, some guys have a member of which it's difficult or even impossible to pull the foreskin back (not sure if everyone knows what i men but the foreskin is all over the dickhead and the opening is too small to totally pull it back, it looks funny). Now THAT seems a problem to clean. Should guys do something about that? Can it be fixed without removing all foreskin?

As I used to have the same problem, a few words about my experience.
Several years ago I wasn't able to pull my foreskin back in erect condition, only about halfway, so just the tip of the glans was visible. Because my glans was always covered, it was hyper-sensitive and fellatio didn't feel good at all, more like torture. A urologist told me that I'm too old to use ointments for stretching, these are only recommended for children. He recommended circumcision, but prescribed me an ointment nevertheless as I was rather reluctant to have my foreskin cut. I'm not working at an office so running around with a hypersensitive glans rubbing against my undergarments for weeks or months was not something looking forward to.
So I tried the ointment. Two times a day, accompanied by stretching. I overdid the stretching so the foreskin started to tear, which was painful, especially during masturbation which I was not able to be abstinent from. So I had these fissures for several weeks, until they finally healed. The urologist warned me in advance that tears will cause the scars in the foreskin, resulting in an even tighter foreskin. But the result was the opposite, I was able to reveal my glans fully in erect condition for the first time in my life. Which also helped me was giving the penis a thorough washing every day, because the glans was so sensitive I always avoided touching it too much. About a year of daily turtlehead-torture in the shower and my glans was not so sensitive anymore.
But what really cured the phimosis was the Tenga-sleeve (spiral) a friend gave me as a present about half a year ago. Now it's perfectly normal.

 

[Wwanderer]

@Goshogawara 's story makes infant circuncision sound a bit more reasonable and attractive from a male perspective!

A friend and neighbor of mine is a (now retired) Jewish urologist/surgeon, and the story reminded me that he once told me that his patients included a steady stream of men with foreskin-related problems of one sort or another. He made it sound like a small but not tiny fraction of them...probably more than 1% and less than 10% at a guess, based on what he said.

I mention that he is Jewish because that could color/bias his perceptions of the medical issues, though I doubt it would be much. He seems very rational and only very slightly religious in general.

-Ww

 

[namae]

When I was in the shower this morning I thought that maybe Kabukicho needs a day spa focusing on the penis. Crowd funding anyone?

Something like Olive Spa, but the therapists are dressed as sexy nurses. You stand and rest your equipment in a specially designed disposable bathing tray, and the nurse proceeds to gently wash, scrub, exfoliate, massage, cleanse - maybe even include trimming and shaving . Then you leave with your equipment smelling like a field of lavendar, orchard of papaya/mango etc etc, and recieve a time stamped certificate which you show to provider on arrival at your love hotel.

 

[Sudsy]

Yeah, that part of the standard soapland course has some specific name in Japanese (which I have forgotten)

That would be sokusoku (即即).

 

[Wwanderer]

That would be sokusoku (即即).

Transliterated "suck, suck"?

-Ww

 

[Sudsy]

Transliterated "suck, suck"?

-Ww

You would think, but it's actually "immediately, immediately"

 

[Goshogawara]

即即 means immediate intercourse. The term for an immediate bbbj is 即尺 (sokushaku)、the second character derived from 尺八 (shakuhachi) = bamboo flute.

@Goshogawara 's story makes infant circuncision sound a bit more reasonable and attractive from a male perspective!

It would have spared me a lot of trouble during adolescence, I guess.

 

[Wwanderer]

I should have realized that it wasn't translitered anything immediately since it was written in kanji, not katakana...duh!

-Ww

 

[meiji]

I'd think if you were from a country where there's no ritual circumcision or done for health reasons, it's very possible that every man wouldn't be cut and probably wouldn't know anyone that was. In those sort of situations, you probably wouldn't know what 'circumcision' is (hell, I don't think most of the western world knew what 'female circumcision' was until the last 5-10 years).

 

[Sudsy]

即即 means immediate intercourse. The term for an immediate bbbj is 即尺 (sokushaku)、the second character derived from 尺八 (shakuhachi) = bamboo flute.

I stand corrected - I blame the lack of caffeine

 

[User#8628]

@Goshogawara 's story makes infant circuncision sound a bit more reasonable and attractive from a male perspective!

A friend and neighbor of mine is a (now retired) Jewish urologist/surgeon, and the story reminded me that he once told me that his patients included a steady stream of men with foreskin-related problems of one sort or another. He made it sound like a small but not tiny fraction of them...probably more than 1% and less than 10% at a guess, based on what he said.

I mention that he is Jewish because that could color/bias his perceptions of the medical issues, though I doubt it would be much. He seems very rational and only very slightly religious in general.

-Ww

I'd probably only do it to my child if there were medical reasons but then again if it can be fixed with ointment that seems like a better option.
Also the majority of guys are born with a foreskin they can pull back so no need to standard cut them all.

 

[DJV]

I might be wrong, but for jews and muslims the reason for circuncision is hygiene.
So it's a case where religion includes hygiene in their belief system.

A long time ago I thought that doing circuncision outside of religion had some "hygiene bigotry" in it.
A one-time ritual like a "hygiene baptism", more than a regular prayer or retreat.

Based on this topic "how to start a religion" : http://www.instructables.com/id/How-To-Start-Your-Own-Religion/
bodycare, beauty and hygiene are easy candidates to create a numbers of religions and temples (or do they call them "institutes" ?)

 

[User#16452]

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[scorpioni6ths]

Also the majority of guys are born with a foreskin they can pull back so no need to standard cut them all.

At birth, the foreskin can't be pulled back yet. From what I've read parents should wait until the baby is 2-3 yo before trying to pull it back.

So the circumcision procedure for babies are invasive -> sexplanations (YT video)

 

[Soapysoap66]

I'm uncut (thank god). Circumcision is easily the subject that infuriates me the most and drives me crazy every time I see the stupid arguments for doing it.
Especially the hygiene reason, you know why? Because uncut people can have the foreskin pulled back and leave like that if they want!! And then there's no difference and you can clean it just as easily as someone who is cut. Or you can just pull back the foreskin in the blink of an eye and clean it, no problem!
Bunch of brained washed ignorant people cutting off the most sensitive and important part of penis without giving the child a right of choice. You fucking WAIT and you let them decide for themselves!!
AAAAARGH I get sooo mad. Maybe you should wait and let them decide if they want to follow your religion too. Stop the brain washing of children! God designed everything so perfectly but man, that foreskin is just sooo annoying, let's get rid of it! Nope, turns out it's actually there for a reason. Eyelids are pretty useful too from what I understand, and they fill some similar functions.

Circumcision (male and female) is one of the worst crimes against humanity, and for some reason male circumcision is socially accepted, but female is not. It's the same fucking thing!!
If I was with a woman and doing child planning and she told me she wants the child circumcised I would refuse, no negotiation.

 

[Sudsy]

I'm with you on this, Soapy.... the German government actually outlawed circumcision entirely, but had to back down slightly due to an uproar from the Jewish and Muslim communities, and later amended the law to allow for religious circumcisions - but at least the German law requires religious circumcisers such as mohels to posses medical training, and Sweden requires mohels to be accompanied during the process by a medical doctor. Australia has banned cosmetic circumcision, Canada and the EU look to be moving towards following suit, and South Africa has banned the cosmetic practice for children under 16.

 

[apolyon171]

i friend of mine ended un being circumcised by a handjob gone bad... i girl he was seeing aparently was a little bit too enthusiastic with the handjob and ripped the skin that connected the foreskin to his dick. hi dident even realize it at the time... the girl was like... ummm baby theres blood... he looked down and pretty much fainted, next thing he knew he was at the hospital and ended up being cut

 

[Soapysoap66]

To clarify, I don't have anything against someone deciding of their own free will to get circumcised, even if I personally think there is no valid reason for having it done, barring some medical condition.

But circumcision of babies is rape level bad.

apolyon: Wow what a bitch.. Had to be one hell of a downstroke, because I have trouble seeing someone ripping off the foreskin on a upstroke, that skin is tough man..

 

[Sudsy]

Wow what a bitch..

Hey now... accidents happen, doesn't sound like she did it on purpose, she was probably almost as traumatised as her partner!