BBBJ and Japan

[MossBoss]

That is an interesting assumption which doesn't at all resemble the guys I know who visit Thailand regularly for business and pleasure.

As I have said I have never been to Thailand so you obviously know more about it than me.

Usually if Thailand is brought up in conversation, fat 60 year old
Europeans guys with 20 year old Thai 'girlfriends' (and ladyboys) dominate the conversation. It is a stereotype which every knows about.

 

[MikeH]

Usually if Thailand is brought up in conversation, fat 60 year old
Europeans guys with 20 year old Thai 'girlfriends' (and ladyboys) dominate the conversation. It is a stereotype which every knows about.

Which is of course the stereotype any feminist left leaning reporter would like you to have as it supports their position that every penetration is a rape.

Not saying those guys don't exist, of course they do. But similarly we could claim in Japan the soaplands force girls into AV against their will and therefore all sex work should be looked down upon.

 

[User#8628]

I don’t think you need to drastically switch to CBJ only, you could just provide an extra lower rate option that includes it to test out how it goes, and if clients respond well to it.

Also not sure what you ment, just wondering what would it take for you and other providers to become more concerned about your own health than now?

@Simonka, I understand the increase in business is not the goal, it’a dropping the STD risk to zero, but I was just saying that it can be beneficial on both sides, for example, if providers had a 10k less option for CBJ I would actually respect that way more than if there wasn’t such option, it tells me the providers are responsible with their health and even puts me more at ease to book them.

Wouldn't this debate & words from ladies start the mindset of guys asking for 10,000 yen off now for CBJ?

Indeed, this seems like fishing for discount now.

I would only do this is either the risk at supergonnorhea increases, or if i want to be 100% sure i dont get a disease but dont want to stop working. Or if i would get a disease and be shocked after getting treatment and don’t want it to happen again anytime soon. Or just generally if i’d feel like avoiding risks more.

It would definitely be a rule for everyone or for no one, not a discount option.

 

[hawaiianhawk]

Speaking strictly for myself, it doesn't matter whether TAG indies didn't offer a cbj option. I'd still ask for cbj and pay the regular bbbj price. No, it's not that I'm filthy rich and can afford to throw money away so to speak, but simply a matter of respecting their prices. If they offered to discount because I requested cbj then I would gladly accept. Yes, TAG ladies there are guys out there who appreciate the services you offer at the prices you list so long as the services are satisfactory.

 

[MossBoss]

Cool it tigers!

I don't think anyone has actually asked for a discount or expects one.

 

[Alexclz]

Indeed, this seems like fishing for discount now.

I honestly didn’t mean it that way, sorry if it came across wrong, I was just giving out ideas regarding your own concern. Money isn’t much of an issue for me, never have asked for a discount service in my life. it was just something that came to mind. I apologize if it sounded rude.

 

[Yuriko]

Thank god, I have such a strong, healthy throat, which were used as an opera singer tool when in the University, many years in the 20's, cock suck tool today, sucked 500 of cocks and caused ANY trouble in my throat so far. I am grateful, indeed born to be a cock sucker!!!


You guys worry too much. You don't have to do it, things you are not comfortable to do. Just stick with CBJ. You'll stay peace.

 

[greenhawk]

Aren’t there some agencies that do offer CBJ as a standard?

this does. If you want a BBBJ you have to purchase 2 specific optional services to get it, you can't just simply pay for it. CBJ is part of the standard fee you pay, but from my experience you have to ask her to give you a CBJ. The time I didn't pay for a BBBJ I never brought up a CBJ since I heard they don't feel good so I figured why waste time with one. I haven't tried Japanese Escort Girls Club yet, but from their website BBBJ or CBJ depends on the woman you pick according to the site.

 

[Majora]

I almost always get a CBJ, but I guess part of paying a 35-45k 1hr. rate with an indie, (well reviewed, health conscious aka Simona, Alice, etc.) is the safety you feel that they are super careful, always use a condom for FS and get tested regularly. Because of this safety I feel, I prefer BBBJ with them, I know they are healthy and I know that I’m healthy too, so no fear (need more jogging in my life though.)

 

[Wwanderer]

You guys worry too much.

This.

And not just guys and not just on this topic. Needless worry may well be the leading cause of unhappiness in the First World to the extent I can judge.

-Ww

 

[jhingy567]

physically, for me CBJ feels almost just the same with thin condoms. But i think it does somewhat detract from the 'GFE'/omotenashi of the service. Just like dental-dam-daty or kissing through cling wrap

So I don't really mind taking the risk of a BBBJ (also an excuse to take time off work later to get tested) or...doing it covered if she prefers.

surprised to hear soaplands are the 'STD hotspots'. Girls there probably go through X cocks/day (compared to XX/day at pinksalons). Chinese Tourists??

 

[MossBoss]

@jhingy567 as you know all sexual activities have a degree of risk. But a lady who sucks 20 cocks a month is classified in a similar category to a lady who sucks 200 cocks. They are both classed as 'higher risk' by medical professionals.

This said, I believe the benefits of pay for play outweigh any perceived risks. Like Simonka, Hana and Yuriko have shown on this thread the TAG ladies in particular have an intelligent view to testing.

 

[Yuriko]

This.

And not just guys and not just on this topic. Needless worry may well be the leading cause of unhappiness in the First World to the extent I can judge.

-Ww

I highly agree.

 

[MikeH]

They are both classed as 'higher risk' by medical professionals.

Then again medical professionals globally are weaklings. They are happy to prohibit any activity that might in some context be dangerous and label everything as risk or high risk.

Why? Because they have no incentives to do the opposite. If they say it's OK and one case in a million turns out not to be OK they are in deep shit. But if they say it's not OK nobody comes suing then even if it is perfectly safe activity.

 

[Wwanderer]

Then again medical professionals globally are weaklings. They are happy to prohibit any activity that might in some context be dangerous and label everything as risk or high risk.

Why? Because they have no incentives to do the opposite. If they say it's OK and one case in a million turns out not to be OK they are in deep shit. But if they say it's not OK nobody comes suing then even if it is perfectly safe activity.

Asymmetric consequence function, in other words.

-Ww

 

[User#8628]

surprised to hear soaplands are the 'STD hotspots'. Girls there probably go through X cocks/day (compared to XX/day at pinksalons). Chinese Tourists??

I’m pretty sure pinksalons are worse but the shops tend to trick the girls into working there so they probably don’t tell they should get their throats tested and the girls don’t know it. So they may have diseases but it doesn’t get discovered. There have been more reports on TAG of guys catching something in a pinksalon than in a soapland!

 

[MossBoss]

Asymmetric consequence function, in other words.
-Ww

Wise words from my favorite armchair intellectual!

 

[Yuriko]

This thread is going endless. Maybe we better close..,

 

[Wwanderer]

Wise words from my favorite armchair intellectual!

-Ww

 

[Z Car]

Nice to see the change of heart here after I was roasted over the coals not too long ago for getting upset at a shop not allowing me to have CBJ lol.

It’s always been the situation for me, as someone who probably 70% of the time goes for CBJ, that it’s the girls who look annoyed when I ask. I’ve had comments like ‘I hate the rubber taste’ and an angry ‘I don’t have any diseases!!’ - my response is always sorry but it’s my choice, but sometimes it really kills the mood and in the end has made me go from 100% covered to sometimes not just to avoid that.. It would be nice to hear from some of the girls here from that perspective - is it more difficult sucking a dick covered than not? I would imagine saliva sticks to the condom differently and of course there’s the taste..

One more question along those same lines - are you then ok with your pussy being eaten? That’s a more difficult one since dental dams are pretty ridiculous..

 

[Simonka]

Nice to see the change of heart here after I was roasted over the coals not too long ago for getting upset at a shop not allowing me to have CBJ lol.

It’s always been the situation for me, as someone who probably 70% of the time goes for CBJ, that it’s the girls who look annoyed when I ask. I’ve had comments like ‘I hate the rubber taste’ and an angry ‘I don’t have any diseases!!’ - my response is always sorry but it’s my choice, but sometimes it really kills the mood and in the end has made me go from 100% covered to sometimes not just to avoid that.. It would be nice to hear from some of the girls here from that perspective - is it more difficult sucking a dick covered than not? I would imagine saliva sticks to the condom differently and of course there’s the taste..

One more question along those same lines - are you then ok with your pussy being eaten? That’s a more difficult one since dental dams are pretty ridiculous..

Nobody like condoms. We use it because we have to
Well of course it’s different and rubbery but not impossible.

I’ve switched to CBJ & lowered my rates and I am so relieved

 

[User#8628]

Nice to see the change of heart here after I was roasted over the coals not too long ago for getting upset at a shop not allowing me to have CBJ lol.

Risking a shop to be CLOSED DOWN because police finds condoms in their trash is something serious. They have the right to tell you off especially when they give your your money back. No need to blast them for wanting to stay in business.

As for girls feeling a bit insulted if you suggest condom, hm, it does sting a little bit. But have to get over that as a professional. But i dislike when guys have a “no kissing” rule, very cold. Also i can understand some girls dont like the taste of rubber. It does not bother me at all personally though, i kind of like it.

Eating pussy? As long as the guy doesn’t have sores around his mouth, sure! You don’t get stds from saliva

 

[User#6517]

Nice to see the change of heart here after I was roasted over the coals not too long ago for getting upset at a shop not allowing me to have CBJ lol.

It’s always been the situation for me, as someone who probably 70% of the time goes for CBJ, that it’s the girls who look annoyed when I ask. I’ve had comments like ‘I hate the rubber taste’ and an angry ‘I don’t have any diseases!!’ - my response is always sorry but it’s my choice, but sometimes it really kills the mood and in the end has made me go from 100% covered to sometimes not just to avoid that.. It would be nice to hear from some of the girls here from that perspective - is it more difficult sucking a dick covered than not? I would imagine saliva sticks to the condom differently and of course there’s the taste..

One more question along those same lines - are you then ok with your pussy being eaten? That’s a more difficult one since dental dams are pretty ridiculous..

In my personal opinion, it’s not really difficult to perform covered oral. If you get the correct size, it should be relatively easy. The only thing that I dislike about CBJ is the latex smell/taste. Flavored condoms can have a weird chemical taste too. I’ve never tried non-latex condoms though, so maybe those could make a difference.

I love oral, but I haven’t been asked to wear dental dams either.. so I don’t think my answer would be very helpful.

 

[Simonka]

Risking a shop to be CLOSED DOWN because police finds condoms in their trash is something serious. They have the right to tell you off especially when they give your your money back. No need to blast them for wanting to stay in business.

As for girls feeling a bit insulted if you suggest condom, hm, it does sting a little bit. But have to get over that as a professional. But i dislike when guys have a “no kissing” rule, very cold. Also i can understand some girls dont like the taste of rubber. It does not bother me at all personally though, i kind of like it.

Eating pussy? As long as the guy doesn’t have sores around his mouth, sure! You don’t get stds from saliva

I like being eaten I’m not spending a huge budget on fruits for no reason haha

I think people who would go for dental dams will just skip DATY entirely.

Who in their right mind contacts escorts when they have huge sores in their mouth :s It must be painful!

 

[User#8628]

Who in their right mind contacts escorts when they have huge sores in their mouth :s It must be painful!

Not sure, i’ve never really seen that. Just saying i’d definitely not allow it if I thought there would be a risk at herpes or syphilis.