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The search for virgins or "near-virgins". I find this suspect, because the guy might be bad at sex or insecure about his sexual abilities, thus hoping to find young women that are clueless and won't judge him. The combination can make for bad sex, and even if she is young, some women will still know what bad sex is.

Well, be suspicious no longer. Not only do I have plenty of experience in bed and know how to nail a woman to the bedboard properly like that adulterous scene in American Beauty or that ferocious doggystyle scene in the 1993 film Naked (Google "talented piano guy SFW porn"), but I've also studied from pr0n stars how to bang women correctly and have effectively mimicked and even bettered their techniques (google "he gets to fuck his skinny girlfriend hard" for an excellent demonstration on how to properly fuck doggy style).

It's often good to have an interesting skill, outside the norm or be at a level above the norm. Like if you are a master at darts or well versed in fashion or art. What do you have, can you teach, or talk about that will strongly pull women in? Just something to think about.

OK, well my hobbies are not of your typical gaijin like J-Pop, anime and manga. My buddies and I race, modify, and tune Japanese sports cars: Skylines, GT-Rs, Silvias, NSXs, Integras, FCs & FDs, STiRs, Evos, etc. If working with high end sports cars isn't enough to make any girl's panties want to drop instantly, then I don't know what is.

Also, I love to travel and cook and shop. Most women in Japan I have ever spoken with, enjoy these same things, so.... you tell me if I have what it takes to be successful with young Japanese women or not...
 
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The search for virgins or "near-virgins".

I find this suspect, because the guy might be bad at sex or insecure about his sexual abilities, thus hoping to find young women that are clueless and won't judge him. The combination can make for bad sex, and even if she is young, some women will still know what bad sex is.

No way to know if it is true or not, but that was my first thought as well.

What are the other reasons a guy especially seek out an inexperienced, and thus almost certainly (relatively) unskilled, partner in bed?

People get better at sex, just like almost all physical activities, with practice and experience...at least until their bodies start losing their physical abilities with age. Thus almost every woman who remains sexually active is a much better lover at, say, age 30 than she was at, say, age 18. Duh! (Note that this does NOT mean that every 30 yo woman is a better lover than any 18 yo woman. Double duh!!)

Furthermore, women lie.

And some guys advise other guys to lie to women! How droll, ne? ;)

-Ww
 
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In terms of the OP's original request, I'll repeat that making comments disparaging P4P isn't likely to make you a lot of friends on this board. There's certainly the Nampa/PUA section and a lot of long threads there that might help you out.

I'm just stating my opinion. I think it's wrong no matter what, but as long as you don't bring it up to me, then I won't have to dog on anyone for it.

Japanese women in many ways aren't really that different from, y'know, all women. A lot of women find older guys hitting on them to be a little creepy no matter how intelligent or good looking you are. You also have to deal with the fact that Japanese women probably aren't near as slutty as you've read on the internet. Sure, there's a lot that are pretty free with their bodies (especially in Tokyo, where numbers are your friend), but a lot of women want a boyfriend and don't want to be 'gotten'. As many others have pointed out, some women (including some Japanese women) look the other way when it comes to social dynamics like age (and in Japanese women's case with you, age AND ethnicity) when money is involved.

Well, of course not, but there are extreme differences in culture compared to places like the US where I grew up, that shock a lot of people when they get here. Japanese people are by and large VERY OPEN to sex compared to the puritanical prudish Christian USA.

Not once have I ever assumed any woman was slutty merely based on their ethnicity. That's actually very racist and I'm the direct opposite of a racist. But thanks again for assuming that! SMH

Like I said, I don't want to just sleep with a barely legal virgin/virginish girl just to say I did it. NO! My intentions are to keep her! I want to find a girl that fits this description not so that I can take advantage of her naivete (HELL NO), but for no other reason than the fact that no other gaijin on this planet could ever say to me, "I fucked your wife many a fortnight before she was your wife," if I do end up marrying her which is a very high possibility. I don't want to sleep around. I want a sweetheart who I can get along with and start a family with, not a slut who's banged many, many men before me.

My first sexual experience was with a sexually experienced young Japanese woman whom I met in college. A young Japanese woman younger than me popped my male cherry. But at least I can say that I was her first gaijin experience. I want to have a role reversal to pop a cherry. Yes, a little late for that being in my early 30s, but I don't think it's impossible if I really set my mind to it and search far and wide and develop my social network. I'd like that same experience to be someone's first, and hopefully their LAST! That's the ideal anyway, but I won't be mad if I do not accomplish this goal.

It probably doesn't fit in to your fantasy of fucking a barely legal Japanese woman, but your best bet over all would be to find an ethnically Japanese woman that's spent part or all of her life overseas and now lives in Japan. These girls are probably going to be really turned off by Japanese guys and Japanese guys probably don't have much of an interest in them either. But even they will probably not be super-interested in being 'gotten', especially by a guy in his early 30s, and will date some 'fresh off the boat' that you are in competition with. There's plenty of young guys in the creative or tech or financial sector to compete with.

That's a most definite NO. I REFUSE to date a domesticated Japanese woman. The whole reason I'm in Japan is to get a natively born and raised Japanese wife. An Americanized Japanese woman?! No thank you!
 
@tanuk3y - I hope you will pardon me for simply ignoring all the personal attacks/criticism and expressions of your opinion of me. Just not of any interest to me, dull and irrelevant to the discussion from my perspective. Meiji (board policy I suppose) strongly discourages posters criticizing each other personally, but if you wish to tell me off or whatever, please feel free to do it by PM if it gives you some sort of satisfaction...costs me zilch.

However, you do raise an interesting question imo, and that is why I am bothering to think and post about it. As you point out in the OP, lots of significantly older guys lust after inexperienced and just barely legal late-teen women but have far more trouble getting involved with them than with older women, even just a few years older. Why is that? I have some ideas but am not going to write them up tonight (I'm in NYC right now). Maybe in a day or two. But here is one clue:

In one of your posts above you asked me (or maybe everyone) at what age I/we think young women become more willing to date significantly older men, such as in their 30s or 40s or beyond. It turns out that there is a known answer to this question. It is not, of course, any single age that is the same for all women, but on average it is something like 23 (in the US...probably elsewhere in the First World too, but the latter is just my guess). The mean difference in age between women and their SOs increases dramatically for women in their early 20s.

-Ww
 
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Like I said, I don't want to just sleep with a barely legal virgin/virginish girl just to say I did it. NO! My intentions are to keep her! I want to find a girl that fits this description not so that I can take advantage of her naivete (HELL NO), but for no other reason than the fact that no other gaijin on this planet could ever say to me, "I fucked your wife many a fortnight before she was your wife," if I do end up marrying her which is a very high possibility. I don't want to sleep around. I want a sweetheart who I can get along with and start a family with, not a slut who's banged many, many men before me.

So you want to devirginize or otherwise 'train' your very own barely legal Japanese girl? Good luck with that. I mean, maybe you can get into some social circles as these sorts of women, but others in these social circles might see you as somewhat pathetic and/or a possible playboy.

I mean, the nice thing about Japanese women is that even in their late 20s and early 30s they look a lot younger than they are, and women with some professional and life experience behind them know more what they want from life. But again, I guess, good luck with your search.
 
So you want to devirginize or otherwise 'train' your very own barely legal Japanese girl? Good luck with that. I mean, maybe you can get into some social circles as these sorts of women, but others in these social circles might see you as somewhat pathetic and/or a possible playboy.

"Good luck with that." Look back to how I began my OP. I knew someone would come out and give me this attitude. What I didn't expect was someone to actually utter those exact words to me after I took care to preempt it.

And why pathetic? Why playboy? Why must EVERYONE automatically assume that an older man who wants to get with a very young woman is some kind of either:

A) sukebei lecher / pervert
B) creepy chikan molester
C) Lolita schoolgirl fetishist
D) gigolo / playboy / pimp

Is it possible for an older gentleman to have purely good intentions like the one I gave? I simply only want an unslutty Japanese woman who's never slept with a gaijin before! I don't care to marry a woman who was "not good enough" for some stupid gaijin in the past. Is that too much to ask? I thought Japan was very very sex deprived and there are many many Japanese women in their mid to late 20s who are STILL virgins! Is this true? Because I don't have to have an 18, 19, or 20 year old! I'd actually ideally want to marry a woman who's closer to my age, but she CANNOT BE A SLUT!!! A woman of 18-20 years of age is far more likely to not have slept with many, many men, most importantly gaijin men!
 
Try the countryside area as you may have more luck
 
Calling women sluts doesn't really show the respect to other people's choices.

It sounds like you are going through some early mid life crisis, wanting the virginal woman who looks up to this great gaijin savior. It's such a cliche to come to Japan as an older man wanting to meet some completely innocent Japanese woman. To say it's your "whole reason" to be here is quite amusing.

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Calling women sluts doesn't really show the respect to other people's choices.

It sounds like you are going through some early mid life crisis, wanting the virginal woman who looks up to this great gaijin savior. It's such a cliche to come to Japan as an older man wanting to meet some completely innocent Japanese woman. To say it's your "whole reason" to be here is quite amusing.
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  1. No. Women who do not practice discretion with whom they sleep or go from one "man" to the next like it's a Sex in the City marathon, are sluts in my book. I don't sleep around, and I fully expect that neither should she. You've never met me or spoken to me in person.
  2. No. Not in any midlife crisis or any kind of crisis whatsoever. I said what I am seeking and why. There are no ulterior motives. Living and working here in Japan to merely bang a virginal Japanese woman, would be quite agreeably pathetic. I just expressed my honest and most sincere desire on a public Internet forum not to get laughed at or scolded, but for guidance and reassurance that what I seek is not unattainable, and perhaps some advice on how to go about accomplishing this big goal of mine. I am not a GI Joe a Real American Hero. Not once have I ever thought of myself as a man who would come to Japan to "rescue" or "save" a Japanese woman from the oppressive patriarchal Japanese society. No, I just love Japanese women and I want to marry one who isn't a slut. It's not that complicated.
  3. I don't have issues with her past life. She didn't lie to me. She told me straight up before we even had sex and entered the relationship her sexual history. Didn't bother me one bit at the time. But now, I'd like to reverse rolls just once if I could, just to see what it's like. If it's all that it is cracked up to be inside my brainy head, then I will be happier than a clam, now, won't I?
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Well, be suspicious no longer. Not only do I have plenty of experience in bed and know how to nail a woman to the bedboard properly like that adulterous scene in American Beauty or that ferocious doggystyle scene in the 1993 film Naked (Google "talented piano guy SFW porn"), but I've also studied from pr0n stars how to bang women correctly and have effectively mimicked and even bettered their techniques (google "he gets to fuck his skinny girlfriend hard" for an excellent demonstration on how to properly fuck doggy style).



OK, well my hobbies are not of your typical gaijin like J-Pop, anime and manga. My buddies and I race, modify, and tune Japanese sports cars: Skylines, GT-Rs, Silvias, NSXs, Integras, FCs & FDs, STiRs, Evos, etc. If working with high end sports cars isn't enough to make any girl's panties want to drop instantly, then I don't know what is.

Also, I love to travel and cook and shop. Most women in Japan I have ever spoken with, enjoy these same things, so.... you tell me if I have what it takes to be successful with young Japanese women or not...

There you go. Sports cars, food, and travel will definitely make for great subject matter.

The next part is you need to put in the time and effort, start interacting with more women, on the street and online.

You also have to remove fear of rejection AND not get overly upset over failure. Both of these are of major importance, because many guys get stuck on that part. They try talking to a few women, some arrogant tart of a female rejects them, and then they are emotionally crushed. Even at times lashing out at the women with curses. Another point, is they think a particular woman is "the one". They spend all this time and effort on her, then she doesn't want to have sex. These are 2 traps that a guy must learn to overcome. Don't get overly invested in 1 woman unless she is equally invested in you, and don't let your ego get so carried away, that you think you should bat 1000 and never strike out. In fact, even the best of guys are at most, batting 50% . Very good is at 30%. Many guys are at 15%, which is decent. The way the game works for men is very different from how it works for women. Think of it like baseball, nobody hits home runs every time he steps to the plate.

A guy needs to go out there and do lots of approaches. The experience and willingness to keep learning, will keep making him better at it.
 
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I thought personal attacks were not allowed? Not that I care if people do, but WTF?! If you can do it, then why can't I?!

Personal attacks aren't allowed. If you think people are attacking you, report their post. Don't bitch about it in the thread or respond in kind. Moderators will take care of it if it's considered an attack. Thanks.
 
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No way to know if it is true or not, but that was my first thought as well.

What are the other reasons a guy especially seek out an inexperienced, and thus almost certainly (relatively) unskilled, partner in bed?

People get better at sex, just like almost all physical activities, with practice and experience...at least until their bodies start losing their physical abilities with age. Thus almost every woman who remains sexually active is a much better lover at, say, age 30 than she was at, say, age 18. Duh! (Note that this does NOT mean that every 30 yo woman is a better lover than any 18 yo woman. Double duh!!)



And some guys advise other guys to lie to women! How droll, ne? ;)

-Ww
My opinion is that with women, more than their age, their sexual ability or quality is more dependent on her personality, embracing her femininity, and attitude.

I've met young women (early 20s) who were light years ahead of older women in their 30s and 40s in terms of sexual skill and thinking. When a woman has a old prude mentality, odd anti-male thinking, or severe issues about her body then sex with them can be terrible. No matter what her age.

Japan also has the additional problems of some women here crazily thinking they are "too old" for sex after 30 or that as a mother, they no longer need to have sex. In addition, some Japanese women and despite being late 20s or in their 30s, have never lived away from their parents. They have the mindset of a 16 year old stay at home teenager, even though she is 30. At with that mindset, can come a childish negative attitude towards sex or a woman that acts like dead fish in bed.

I find age isn't an indicator at all, for the quality of sex that a woman might be able to do. It depends on the particular woman.
 
This is the point in the thread where @Solong and I go off on a 40 post tangent that completely buries the original topic! ;)

My opinion is that with women, more than their age, their sexual ability or quality is more dependent on her personality, embracing her femininity, and attitude.

Agreed, and nothing in my post contradicted this point.

I've met young women (early 20s) who were light years ahead of older women in their 30s and 40s in terms of sexual skill and thinking. When a woman has a old prude mentality, odd anti-male thinking, or severe issues about her body then sex with them can be terrible. No matter what her age.

Me too! And nothing in my post contradicted this point either.

Japan also has the additional problems of some women here crazily thinking they are "too old" for sex after 30 or that as a mother, they no longer need to have sex. In addition, some Japanese women and despite being late 20s or in their 30s, have never lived away from their parents. They have the mindset of a 16 year old stay at home teenager, even though she is 30. At with that mindset, can come a childish negative attitude towards sex or a woman that acts like dead fish in bed.

This is yet another point that does not contradict my post!

What did my post say? This:

People get better at sex, just like almost all physical activities, with practice and experience...at least until their bodies start losing their physical abilities with age. Thus almost every woman who remains sexually active is a much better lover at, say, age 30 than she was at, say, age 18. Duh! (Note that this does NOT mean that every 30 yo woman is a better lover than any 18 yo woman. Double duh!!)

I have now underlined the key sentence. Note in particular the phrase "who remains sexually active"; in other words, those who stop being sexually active and sex-positive for whatever reason (could be some crazy cultural belief, as you mention, or due to an injury or illness or traumatic experience or lack of lovers or whatever) could well become worse at it. But if they stay active, why would they get worse (on average) with a bit of experience and practice. Note that I also did not say that any sexually active 30yo is likely to be better than any sexually active 20yo; I just said that any sexually active 20yo is likely to improve (or at least stay the same) with an extra ten years of experience. In other words, woman A may be better in bed than woman B at all ages from 20 to 30 for both of them but A at 30 is likely to be better than she herself was at 20, or at least as good, and the same goes for B.

I find age isn't an indicator at all, for the quality of sex that a woman might be able to do. It depends on the particular woman.

My experience is that it is an indicator, though by no means the only one. Also, among the sexually active and sex-positive population, if every single sexually active and sex-positive woman (or nearly every one) is getting better with practice and experience, then it follows (logically/mathematically) that the average skill of that population is also increasing.

-Ww
 
Back to the question of why it is so difficult for an older man, let's say a 33 yo, to hook-up with an 18yo woman, say. It is MUCH harder than for, say, a 37yo man to hook-up with a 22yo woman...same age difference, each just 4 years older than in the other case.

As I mentioned above, this is known to be true statistically (in the US at least):

The mean difference in age between women and their SOs increases dramatically for women in their early 20s.

Here's my guess at an explanation: It is no news to anyone living in a modern (First World) country that people (males as well as females) pass through a stage of their lives where they are definitely not children but are also definitely not full-fledged adult members of the society. The age range corresponds roughly to the teens, and people in this teenager/"young adult"/adolescent group are not regarded as fully adult and, more importantly in this context, do not regard themselves as a part of the adult society. This is recognized in many different ways: Legal (do not have the same right as adults to vote, sign contracts, drink, smoke, view porn, hold dangerous jobs, ignore/defy their parents' wishes etc). Life activities (many still pursuing their educations, many living with their parents, many don't work or don't support a household if they do work, don't have children of their own, don't own major property, aren't sexually active or are quite inexperienced sexually, most have little experience with serious illness or injurt etc). Biological even (their brains are still developing both physically and functionally...this actually goes on at a slowing rate up until a person's made-20s). One could go on, but it is all obvious. Equally common and well known is that people in this age range typically respond by creating and living in, to the extent they can manage it, some sort of youth subculture that has its own "language" (slang which is valued precisely because "real adults" don't understand it), its own entertainment industry/performers, its own styles of dress, its own customs (at least superficial ones) etc.

When people are in this "young adult" subculture/stage, they tend to only associate closely with people of very nearly their own age. This is also well known statistically. If you ask people in their teens who their closest friends are or who they trust completely or who is important in their lives, they mostly, overwhelmingly actually, name people who are within a year or two of their own age. It is as though people's "social horizon" contracts during those years to only include those whose age is very close to their own. Anyone who is more than a year or two younger is regarded as childish and anyone who is more than a year or two older is seen as a boring and dull "old person" or "adult" who "just doesn't understand". Again, all of this is so obvious and well known to us all that it is almost silly to spell it out. But when did that ever stop me!

Finally getting to my point, most of the women is this group do not regard themselves as being fully adult and regard those who are significantly older as being in some other part of society. This raises a barrier not simply to sexual and/or romantic connections but to any close connection...even just friendship. Most people do not enjoy closely associating with those they perceive to be very different from themselves in any major way - different ethnicity, different race, different nationality, different educational level, different socio-economic level (or different "class" of society in some countries), different religion...on and on. Mostly people's social radar simply ignores those who are not "one of us"...whether we are talking about a date or a friendly poker game.

Is this a universal rule. No, of course not. There are plenty of exceptions...people who are attracted to those very different from themselves. But they are a minority, not the typical case. (It seems that I am forever pointing out to @Solong , among others, that it is often more useful to focus on the exceptional than the typical.)

So, if you want to become close to someone in that late teen part of their lives, you either have to find one of the exceptions or you have to somehow break through the blind-spot in their social radar and get the person to perceive you as at least potentially interesting socially. If they don't, then it doesn't matter how wonderful you are (or think you are), you're simply not playing in their game...not part of their world. There are ways of doing this, but it is more challenging than getting an older person, who does see themselves as fully adult, to notice you socially.

This may seem like a very negative perspective, but in my experience, it is often useful to understand a problem if you want to solve it.

-Ww
 
If we are going to try to help @tanuk3y, I would first of all second Ms Blair's comments above, particularly the "numbers game" part. You are looking for a fairly rare type of person and then hitting them with a low probability of success approach. Imo, you'd be lucky to get a single date with the type of woman you are looking for...namely so conservative and risk-averse that she is still virginal or close to it but yet somehow so bold, open and risk-tolerant that she will go out with a freakin' gaijin who is close to twice her age even in 100 tries! There aren't too many of those fish in the pond! So, patience and persistence...or vast vast good luck...are going to be required.

I'd add one other tactical point, namely, do not "cold approach" a woman in the way that @User#16452 suggests when she is hanging with other people of her age. If she is unlikely to "take the big gamble" of letting an old person and a foreigner pick her up (or get her info) in general, she is vastly more unlikely to want to do it in front of her peers who will see you as weird and creepy even if she does not. Group pressure is a big deal in social circles of people of that age in general and doubly (or more) so in Japan.

-Ww
 
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You could try international parties.... once met a 21 year old there who was clearly interested in gaikokujin.
Some form of financial stability (or perhaps abundance) definitely would help grease them wheels.
 
Also, like to add: I enjoy all the banter from ww and solong. I hate reading but... still very enlightening.
 
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Older guys, younger women

I disagree about the age issue, as it's not been an issue for my friends and I. On average, I tend to date Japanese women younger than me and in their 20s.

It may be more about the mindset, insecurities, appearance, or how the guy approaches women.

Many Japanese women will readily get into senpai/kouhai or mentoring type relationships. The guy will often have to be willing to take the lead or teach. Some guys rather be lead, are masochistic, or even have mommy complexes. In these situations, they are looking for women to dominate or lead them. For younger women, when the guy is older, this can often be a strong turn off. For such guys, an older woman may be more comfortable or work better for them.

Appearance can be a factor, where the guy looks older or looks older than his age. This can also be a matter of his behavior, fashion, or physical condition. It makes it hard for such guys to click with younger women, particularly if they aren't going to take the leadership, teacher, mentor, or substitute "daddy" roles.

It is the style of my swinger friends and I to cast a "wide net". We are more opportunistic in general, versus narrowly having a specific place or way to meet women. Consequently, we randomly come across and talk with women in their 20s all the time. It's almost unintentional, and just a matter of who we happen to meet. By the way, have no issues talking to nice looking older women in their 30s or 40s either. But, there is a tendency for them to be married or in long serious relationships (where the boyfriend refuses to put a ring on it).

Lastly, Japan has a strong tradition of older men dating younger women. It's much less of an issue than in Western countries. Japanese don't even blink about seeing such couples.

With that typed, I do see age being a bit more of a factor, for Japanese women under 20. There seems to be more of psychological change, particularly as the women get closer to graduating college (around 22). This partially may have to with the ban on alcohol and smoking for this under 20 range, and them being viewed as not truly adult. 18 is the acceptable age in many Western countries, but there is still a bit of a stronger stigma with Japanese women until they are older than 20. As a general rule, I often don't bother with Japanese women in the 18 to 19 age range, unless she happens to be an exception. However, greatly enjoyed college girls in the 20 to 24 range.
 
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Let me preface this post by saying that I am new to this board, but also that while I am female, I am not Japanese. However, here is my tuppence on the matter.

I agree with Ww in his explanation of why young women tend to keep to their age range. May I add, that it wasn't until I was near the end of my undergrad degree that I began mixing with people outside of my age group. Nearly all of the older-than-me gentlemen I met were either professors or parents, neither of which are particularly date-able. It would not be difficult to believe that you are being, perhaps unfairly, lumped into this group in their minds. Additionally, from what you have told us, you do sound nice of paper. Alas, young women are often not looking to find a husband and get married straight away. In my experience (though this might be different in Japan) young marriage is a result of falling in love first. I would focus on being a good date before being good marriage material.

My advice to you is to cold approach as many women as possible. Start with something innocent such as "Excuse me, could you tell me if there is a nice coffee shop near here?" and then maybe offer a compliment such as "You have very beautiful eyes" and then invite her to join you. Be well dressed and good mannered and results should follow. Do not approach a woman with headphones or who is in a hurry, they are not interested in being approached at this time. During the coffee date focus on her interests and try to work what you have to offer into the conversation. Focus on what you can offer short-term as long-term can be a little overwhelming at first.

Lastly, referring back again to Ww's post about being outside of their dating pool, let me add that it is likely that you will need to approach a lot of women. Do not despair, it often just comes down to a numbers game. The psychiatrist Albert Ellis famously approached 100 women on park benches yet only came away with one date (who stood him up). As your details seem a lot more appealing than his were at that time, I'm sure you will do a lot better, but do be realistic.
The fact that younger women are not looking for a husband can make them preferable, or such women more experimental sexually or with relationships.