How would you define a keeper?

[Frenchy]

Be it SB or escort...
i’m interested in other guys perspectives : given all the competition, new faces etc... what would (or does) make you come back to a specific provider, or want to propose a long-term arrangement to a SB etc..?

 

[Majestyk]

An important question that I have always asked myself during my P4P forays.

So I turned to the Irish poet Oscar Wilde to help set the bar, tweaking the subject in one of his absurdly relevant quotes:
“How can a man be expected to be happy with a woman who insists on treating him as if he were a perfectly normal human being?”

Obviously, it hasn’t always worked out for me because that bar has moved high, low and everywhere in between with each encounter.

 

[Frenchy]

An important question that I have always asked myself during my P4P forays.

So I turned to the Irish poet Oscar Wilde to help set the bar, tweaking the subject in one of his absurdly relevant quotes:
“How can a man be expected to be happy with a woman who insists on treating him as if he were a perfectly normal human being?”

Obviously, it hasn’t always worked out for me because that bar has moved high, low and everywhere in between with each encounter.

Good quote but not relevant for p4p I’m afraid... if she’s just treating you like a perfectly normal human being then you should do the same and not pay for that

 

[Majestyk]

Exactly my point.
My best liaisons were those that pushed outside the boundaries of P4P.
Good times until the eventual break-up.

 

[Frenchy]

Exactly my point.
My best liaisons were those that pushed outside the boundaries of P4P.
Good times until the eventual break-up.

Ah ok, now I see how you meant it.
For me its still a mystery ... if I look back, there is nearly zero common point between my « keepers », apart, maybe , nice boobs.

 

[Frenchy]

Ah ok, now I see how you meant it.
For me its still a mystery ... if I look behind, there is nearly zero common point between my « keepers », apart, maybe , nice boobs.

... come to think of it maybe its the continued ability to surprise (in a positive way) that may be the thing for me. As soon as it becomes stale, or I have the impression she is just interested in the cash for simply showing up and opening legs, I’m not that interested anymore

 

[Durg50]

Basically they need to be tall but not too skinny as they need to be able to get through a crowded penalty area and claim crosses. Reflexes and bravery are also key attributes.

 

[Majestyk]

... come to think of it maybe its the continued ability to surprise (in a positive way) that may be the thing for me. As soon as it becomes stale, or I have the impression she is just interested in the cash for simply showing up and opening legs, I’m not that interested anymore

True that.

 

[Frenchy]

Basically they need to be tall but not too skinny as they need to be able to get through a crowded penalty area and claim crosses. Reflexes and bravery are also key attributes.

Yeah but they are always sad if you score

 

[sealax]

It’s the combination of a great time in the bed, or on the couch, floor or wherever, with a great time in social settings, or intimate ones, where you’re just enjoying each other’s company. That always hooks me.

 

[Frenchy]

It’s the combination of a great time in the bed, or on the couch, floor or wherever, with a great time in social settings, or intimate ones, where you’re just enjoying each other’s company. That always hooks me.

Yes! But this is where my old stupid obsession with fairness makes things complicated : I like the lady to also initiate all this , propose ideas, be creative etc... in bed and outside. It starts to get on my nerves when we have a good time just because I did all the « work » for it (and paid her on top of that!)... it also relates to wanting to be pleasantly surprised , as I mentioned earlier.

 

[MikeH]

Yes! But this is where my old stupid obsession with fairness makes things complicated : I like the lady to also initiate all this , propose ideas, be creative etc... in bed and outside. It starts to get on my nerves when we have a good time just because I did all the « work » for it (and paid her on top of that!)

Ah, this hits home. It's not only about fairness or even paying, it is just boring if you need to do everything, in or out of the bed. Because if you do everything then the girl could be easily replaced by another warm body.

Unfortunately many girls in Japan think this is how it should work; they just be there and that's their part. For some reason it seems the local guys also prefer that way. The positive side is then all the girls who are active are many times looking for foreign guys as they like to be active and appreciated for it.

 

[Frenchy]

Ah, this hits home. It's not only about fairness or even paying, it is just boring if you need to do everything, in or out of the bed. Because if you do everything then the girl could be easily replaced by another warm body.

Unfortunately many girls in Japan think this is how it should work; they just be there and that's their part. For some reason it seems the local guys also prefer that way. The positive side is then all the girls who are active are many times looking for foreign guys as they like to be active and appreciated for it.

Yes. I am not so sure the local guys prefer it that way though... but then again I know mostly married Japanese men who follow their wives for shopping , like zombies... or avoid them like the plague. l suppose like many things here the dynamics change fast and hard once the ring’s on it.

 

[Exnocomment]

There was a TED talk that was titled:

“We expect love to feel like madness .. and also last forever. That sounds terrible.”

What generally makes for short term passion, if it doesn’t evolve into quiet comfort, becomes intolerable..

 

[Frenchy]

There was a TED talk that was titled:

“We expect love to feel like madness .. and also last forever. That sounds terrible.”

What generally makes for short term passion, if it doesn’t evolve into quiet comfort, becomes intolerable..

Yeah but for P4P the goals should be different to start with. Not that it can’t be madness nor comfort..

Ok so I just wrote to another SB that I’m out . Nothing against her , just tired to pay so much for companionship, generally speaking. Tried to phrase that as diplomatically as possible, yet its funny how quickly her messages changed from « I like so much to spend time with you , we have so much fun bla bla bla » to a short « ok »

Greedy bitches , all of ‘ em!
(Except Mum)

 

[jhingy567]

given all the competition, new faces etc... what would (or does) make you come back to a specific provider

For me, it wouldn't really be about looks (boob size, body etc), but rather:
-Her attitude (hard to define but a bad one is easy to spot).
-Treating and talking to me like im a normal human being, not some sad-loser-pervert-creep.
-Actually making me feel better about myself afterwards. Not making me wonder about all the other things I could've spent the money on.
-some sense of humor. laughing at my dumb jokes.

 

[Frenchy]

-Actually making me feel better about myself afterwards. Not making me wonder about all the other things I could've spent the money on.

Thats the toughest one . Thanks for your feedback Jhingy

 

[Viggagadye]

I don't know if I want "keepers" in p4p. I would definitely repeat if the escort was awesome. But p4p has always (and I hope will always) be a rare "holiday" type activity. As such, I don't want a provider I return to on a weekly basis. Maybe a 6 month to yearly thing sure.

 

[MikeH]

For me, it wouldn't really be about looks (boob size, body etc)

I agree to you list but it has also a lot to do with her looks. Even if she was the nicest person I've ever met but I wouldn't like her looks it would be over before it starts.

We are, or at least I am, talking mainly about physical activities anyway, so physical attributes are important.

 

[Sudsy]

My "keepers", the girls I return to repeatedly, all have one thing in common - we laugh together. I'm a fool for a girl with a (genuine) good sense of humour.

 

[Frenchy]

I agree to you list but it has also a lot to do with her looks. Even if she was the nicest person I've ever met but I wouldn't like her looks it would be over before it starts.

We are, or at least I am, talking mainly about physical activities anyway, so physical attributes are important.

Of course. Whereas for the P4P ladies its obviously only about our inner beauty and vast intellect

 

[Viggagadye]

My "keepers", the girls I return to repeatedly, all have one thing in common - we laugh together. I'm a fool for a girl with a (genuine) good sense of humour.

Yes!! Being able to laugh together makes a huge difference! We want to p4p to put us in a good mood after all!

 

[jhingy567]

Thats the toughest one

Yes, especially when we're payin $$$

Sometimes it's largely out of her control though...

I agree to you list but it has also a lot to do with her looks. Even if she was the nicest person I've ever met but I wouldn't like her looks it would be over before it starts.

We are, or at least I am, talking mainly about physical activities anyway, so physical attributes are important.

well obviously there has to be some sexual attraction, but looks are not the main deciding factor of whether I repeat.

 

[Yuriko]

Yeah but for P4P the goals should be different to start with. Not that it can’t be madness nor comfort..

Ok so I just wrote to another SB that I’m out . Nothing against her , just tired to pay so much for companionship, generally speaking. Tried to phrase that as diplomatically as possible, yet its funny how quickly her messages changed from « I like so much to spend time with you , we have so much fun bla bla bla » to a short « ok »

Greedy bitches , all of ‘ em!
(Except Mum)

I thought you generally want to spend on SB unconditionally, no? Well, sadly I bet SB's or lots of providers are after "money". Not a "person" I'm afraid... or it's mostly chemistry, really...
Cheer up!! There are lots of girls in this world!!!

 

[MikeH]

There are lots of girls in this world!!!

But not so many Frenchy hasn't tried already.