Is P4P always better kept a secret?

Well we Americans may make a big deal out of nominations for this or that but at least we don't have a restaurant award system named after a Tire company. Now that is really stupid.
 
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Its pretty prominent that most of (not all of course) the guys who said they would never share this with anyone have a very negative outlook on SW and sort of feel like they are doing something bad and guilty but can’t help it (like eating high calorie food while on a diet or something).

Its really saddening because you only have yourself with it that way. Of course it’s unpleasant for SW as well if a guy looks down on them but we have to deal with it for a few hours, you have to live with secretly engaging with someone you look down on and then being ashamed afterwards pretty much the rest of your life.
 
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warubuta said:
Well we Americans may make a big deal out of nominations for this or that but at least we don't have a restaurant award system named after a Tire company. Now that is really stupid.
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Do you know why that got started and that there is an American equivalent of the same origin?
 
warubuta said:
Then how do you account for the fact that prices (compared to other prices in the same local economy), in general, are higher in markets where it is more illegal ie. punishments and fines are higher? Escorts have a harder time making a living in places where it is tolerated both legally and socially than in markets where it isn’t. Delhi vs Bangkok for example. NYC vs Amsterdam for example.
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A misunderstanding...sorry if I was unclear.

Stigmatization and attempts at legal suppression definitely drive competition down and thus prices up, just as you say. I wasn't denying that. Rather I was pointing out the majority, very large majority afaik, of sex workers nevertheless prefer less stigmatization and less legal problems. They not only say so if you ask them, but they demonstrate this preference in where they choose to work. You certainly do *not* see lots of sex workers from areas where it is legal and thus relatively cheap moving to markets where there is little legal or social tolerance for sex work in order to be able to charge higher prices.

In other words, I'm disagreeing with your claim that a sex worker needs to be "careful what she wishes for" when she laments the stigmatization and illegality of her work.

-Ww
 
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warubuta said:
Well we Americans may make a big deal out of nominations for this or that but at least we don't have a restaurant award system named after a Tire company. Now that is really stupid.
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This is an example of the sort of post which @Simonka and I were recently discussing. The post makes no sense at all to me as a part of this thread, but I am virtually certain that it is a response to a post I can't see...easy to guess in this case.

-Ww
 
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Its pretty prominent that most of (not all of course) the guys who said they would never share this with anyone have a very negative outlook on SW and sort of feel like they are doing something bad and guilty but can’t help it (like eating high calorie food while on a diet or something).

Its really saddening because you only have yourself with it that way. Of course it’s unpleasant for SW as well if a guy looks down on them but we have to deal with it for a few hours, you have to live with secretly engaging with someone you look down on and then being ashamed afterwards pretty much the rest of your life.
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This is very wise and accurate imo.

Personally it is extremely hard for me to enjoy a p4p encounter with a sex worker who feels guilt, shame, remorse etc over her work. And a Tokyo escort whom I knew extremely well (a decade and more ago) often said the same about her customers, witnessing the way some of them felt about themselves for using her services made her almost sick with pity. And she had some truly sad sounding stories that illustrated the point.

-Ww
 
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User#8628 said:
Its pretty prominent that most of (not all of course) the guys who said they would never share this with anyone have a very negative outlook on SW and sort of feel like they are doing something bad and guilty but can’t help it (like eating high calorie food while on a diet or something).

Its really saddening because you only have yourself with it that way. Of course it’s unpleasant for SW as well if a guy looks down on them but we have to deal with it for a few hours, you have to live with secretly engaging with someone you look down on and then being ashamed afterwards pretty much the rest of your life.
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I could not disagree more with this. Some of the happiest, most productive, most creative and most interesting people in the world have rich inner lives and complex and convoluted secrets, deceptions and facades. Only simple dullards are able to disclose everything to everyone, and that is because their lives are simple and boring. They don’t have any acquaintances who have enough intelligence or courage to have an opinion against P4P or anything else because they are afraid to lose their ‘friend’. And, just from a logical perspective, just because you keep something secret doesn’t mean that you feel guilty about it.
 
Wwanderer said:
This is an example of the sort of post which @Simonka and I were recently discussing. The post makes no sense at all to me as a part of this thread, but I am virtually certain that it is a response to a post I can't see...easy to guess in this case.

-Ww
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Sorry about that. It was meant to be a response something that I can’t be bothered to remember at this juncture. Have a good day and thank you for making an effort to maintain the editorial quality of this high level discourse.
 
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