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Man, this has been a funny thread to read.

Solong, you really NEED to get the last word, don't you?

It seems clear that your PUA garbage leads to the trouble and flakiness you experience---despite your musings, women aren't all that stupid, and can smell your shit a mile away.

Thanks for the laughs though!

Right. That's why my so-called PUA bullshit has me lined up with 2 women wanting to come to my house tonight.

And it has me lined up with different dates for Thursday, Friday, and Sunday. With a regular coming over on Saturday.

I think you are tripping over yourself. I'm discussing styles and methods, while you are bringing nothing to the table but insults or are having to pay for it.

The side point was getting 100% compliance from online women to comitt to a date. This is unusual and hard to believe. Real women and NON-prostitutes don't have set clockwork schedules.

Because I have scheduling conflicts with women I meet, doesn't mean I'm not totally enjoying myself. It means I'm busy with a LOT of women.

In fact, scheduling issues can be indicative of a very good thing, if you knew any better
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Right. That's why my so-called PUA bullshit has me lined up with 2 women wanting to come to my house tonight.

And it has me lined up with different dates for Thursday, Friday, and Sunday. With a regular coming over on Saturday.

I think you are tripping over yourself. I'm discussing styles and methods, while you are bringing nothing to the table but insults or are having to pay for it.

The side point was getting 100% compliance from online women to comitt to a date. This is unusual and hard to believe. Real women and NON-prostitutes don't have set clockwork schedules.

Because I have scheduling conflicts with women I meet, doesn't mean I'm not totally enjoying myself. It means I'm busy with a LOT of women.

In fact, scheduling issues can be indicative of a very good thing, if you knew any better
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Yeah, you're right.

Anyway, I've never needed to go out and hunt for women, so I suppose I wouldn't know.

But then, the term "compliance" never really crossed my mind when dating someone I viewed as a human being.

But yeah man, sounds like you are BUSY! Good on ya!
 
Yeah, you're right.

Anyway, I've never needed to go out and hunt for women, so I suppose I wouldn't know.

But then, the term "compliance" never really crossed my mind when dating someone I viewed as a human being.

But yeah man, sounds like you are BUSY! Good on ya!
Here is an example of a scheduling conflict that can naturally come up, when you are dating Japanese women.

2 Japanese women asked to meet me on Sunday. I will likely have to reschedule or cancel one of them.

It's not necessarily that I'm doing anything wrong, it's just timing.

If I meet both on Sunday, from experience, it has to be 5 to 6 hours apart for it to work effectively. Like meet one at 1pm and the other at 7pm.

And that's where it gets problematic with Japanese women.

1) You can be all happy that it's going be a double fun day, and BOTH of them suddenly cancel or seek to reschedule.

Completely destroying my free time on Sunday. And I could have made other plans in that time slot. Canceling at the last second is inconsiderate and rude.

Many Japanese women are UNRELIABLE. Or, she wants you as the guy to be reliable for her, while she is unreliable to the guy.

2) 1 of them doesn't like the earlier time rescheduling and we go back and forth with agreeing on a new day. So if not Sunday, next week or 2 weeks later.

And that 1 week or 2 weeks later date, can easily get canceled with Japanese women.

Women will also have OTHER guys on their schedule. They don't admit to it though, but that is where "busy" often comes from. An excuse for her to hide what she is doing.

With Japanese women, scheduling can be very hard. They tend not to offer reasonable alternative time slots or will push the meeting date out to weeks later.

3) If you don't have multiple women, sex can be very infrequent, unless you live with the Japanese woman or she is a co-worker/neighbor.

This is something that often goes unmentioned about LOW sexual frequency in Japan.

A "busy" Japanese woman may only see her guy 1x a week. And remember she has her period for one week in the month. That can be sex only 3x in an entire month.

So many guys in Japan need multiple girlfriends to have normal sexual frequency (2x to 4x a week) or they BUY women.

4) Too many Japanese women, if they think they don't have any female competition, can STOP having sex or start doing very low frequency.

This is an extremely common scenario in Japan. Japan has the highest level of sexLESS couples among industrialized countries.

Part of this is linked to the WEIRD thinking of many Japanese women. They will have mass quantities of sex with a guy, if they think you are popular with other women and the relationship is NEW. But once they think they got the guy only for themselves, they start to using sex as a weapon of control or feel it's burdensome.

I can't count the number of guys who are married or living with Japanese women that must sneak out and cheat to get sex, because their woman isn't putting out enough.

And sometimes the Japanese woman is just plain bored with having sex with the same guy. She likes his money or looks, so stays in the relationship, but she has other lovers on the side. She has sex with her main guy only 1x a week, while playing with other guys on the side.
 
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It's not necessarily that I'm doing anything wrong, it's just timing.

The above asumption is deeply mistaken in my opinion.
In general, in Japan, rescheduling a date for no "good" reason is rude.
By good reason, I mean overtime work, health issue etc.
The fact that you don't think it's wrong doesn't make it right.

As for your rant about the Japanese not being busy for real and having a low productivity .... it's the typical western arrogance at work here. When I was living in France I was sick of the continuous "I can do it better/faster than you" stance from co-workers which would totally ruin the workplace because of misplaced competition.
I prefer the Japanese workplace for its much more enjoyable teamwork and atmosphere.

And I know my friends well enough to believe that the are busy for real.

Completely destroying my free time on Sunday. And I could have made other plans in that time slot. Canceling at the last second is inconsiderate and rude.

It's rude but, as I wrote earlier, they don't care if your/their goal is only sex.
You're just a commodity, deal with it.
So you're partly responsible of your "misery" ;)

Women will also have OTHER guys on their schedule.

Only when it's for sex purpose I believe.

3) If you don't have multiple women, sex can be very infrequent, unless you live with the Japanese woman or she is a co-worker/neighbor......

You're totaly right on this one, from the start to the end of your rant ;)
But for guys like me who don't want to juggle between numerous sex partners and loveless sexual intercourses .... not a lot of options left :(

That's why I state in my profile that my ideal partner is also one who genuinely enjoys sex.
 
Since I'm honest I replied : "42 years old".
And then she went : "oh my gaaawwwd!!!"
And I felt everything was over ahaha

Isn't this when you're supposed to say, "How old do I look?" :LOL:

Jokes aside, that is a pretty big age difference. I have unmarried Japanese friends that age, and they usually say they're "batsu-ichi" without kids to wash away some of the social stigma.
 
Just stumbled upon this interesting topic and I figure to share my experience with Jcupid as well.
This is a summary as I'm on the train now heading home. But feel free to ask specifics later.


1. I started Feb of this year. Tried Gold Membership but let it expire.

2. Viewed 200+ profiles over a six-month span. Not everyday though. When I'm bored at work or waiting in line.

3. Messaged about 100+ profiles which I expressed interest. ( Factors ranged from proficiency in English, Age, Profile content, what they were looking for and match criteria)

4. Only 27 Replied. (I still have them on my email history)

5. Then 15 Agreed to go on dates after some messaging back and forth (E-mail,LINE, Viber, Skype).

6. I went to all dates and got stood up by 2. Of those 13, 8 agreed on a 2nd date. The rest drifted away.

7. I still keep in touch with the 8 women. But only 5 of them I casually meet nowadays for a meal, hangout, shopping or sight-seeing.

8. Finally, 0nly 3 of them I am considering a serious relationship.But progress has been slow.


Some Misc Info:

Last 8 women - Youngest 23, Oldest - 35

Occupation:

Therapist
Clerk
Kuro-Neko Delivery
Hairdresser
Veterinarian
University Student
Forgot the last 2- I'll ask again

Marital Status - 6 Single, 2 Divorced

This is really good data, thank you for sharing your progress with that site.
 
Here is an example of more online scheduling craziness. Seemingly hot chick (who knows if it's real when online) e-mails me and we start exchanging lots of messages. By the way, complete and wordy profile. Not a 1-night stand looking type of profile, though women almost NEVER admit to that anyway. They are all near-virgin church girls for serious relationships and marriage only. Honesty is dead.

We agree to Friday, which might mean I would have to cancel another date, but I like to see where things will go first.

On Tuesday, we agree to meet Friday evening at Shibuya. Wednesday, she "suggests" we meet in Ikebukuro and at a cafe unknown to me. I say OK for meeting Friday, but don't know the cafe. When I go to confirm our meeting time on Thursday, she says sorry can't make it. I ask why, and she states that I didn't agree to meet at Ikebukuro. Actually, I did by typing "OK" in reply, but guess that wasn't enough or stating that I didn't know the cafe caused confusion.

So, in the meanwhile, she appears to have booked another guy for Friday. Replaced me very quick. And if confused, didn't ask a question.

She did offer to meet me Sunday, which of course completely wrecks my schedule on Sunday if I agree, though I might take her up on the alternate day.

Scheduling issues and confusion like that can naturally occur. And women are in the mist of a sausage fest. One slight misunderstanding or mistyped word, and she has replaced the guy. Many women online are cut throat, without honor, or have ADHD. I'm just saying how the flow of things can go.
 
... though women almost NEVER admit to that anyway. They are all near-virgin church girls for serious relationships and marriage only. Honesty is dead.

YAWN ... :)

We agree to Friday, which might mean I would have to cancel another date ...

Okay, so ... you don't mind cancelling others' dates out of nowhere but you don't like it when a girl cancels yours, right?
Did I get it right?

... Actually, I did by typing "OK" in reply, but guess that wasn't enough or stating that I didn't know the cafe caused confusion.

Communication skills are very important in this kind of situation.
I'm surprised that you forgot such an important fact considered all your previous posts on this forum.
For someone you've never met before, simply replying "OK" is rude and shows that you just find it cumbersome to write a full sentence for her. Lazy, rude ... the total opposite of a gentleman.

She might have chosen the other guy because he was kind enough to write full sentences ;)
 
1) "Okay, so ... you don't mind cancelling others' dates out of nowhere but you don't like it when a girl cancels yours, right?
Did I get it right?"

Reply- No. I reschedule dates, if possible. And I do it DAYS in advance, verus 1 hour before I'm suppose to meet- "I caught a cold. Sorry, can't make it" that too many Japanese girls do.


2) "Communication skills are very important in this kind of situation.
I'm surprised that you forgot such an important fact considered all your previous posts on this forum.
For someone you've never met before, simply replying "OK" is rude and shows that you just find it cumbersome to write a full sentence for her. Lazy, rude ... the total opposite of a gentleman.

She might have chosen the other guy because he was kind enough to write full sentences ;)"

Reply- You went off the tracks again with that one. Many women (and guys too), are not going to read very long responses in LINE or date websites. Be that as it may, I do type in full sentences.

In this case (and we are still in contact with each other), she claims she got confused by me not knowing the cafe she referred to.

Women are talking to MANY guys on date websites. You make a mistake about ANYTHING, she can jump to the NEXT guy. Hell, you don't have to make a mistake, she can change guys on a whim.

And, I AM seeing her Sunday. It fits my schedule ;-) I just have no illusions about what many women on online dating sites are really doing. They can say all that virgin church girl stuff, but I'm not the fool to believe it.

She is likely to be seeing OTHER guys Friday and Saturday. And who knows, she may get worn out from those other guys and cancel our date, so guys need to always have a PLAN B when dealing with any online female for the 1st time.
 
Here is a direct example of how much of a flaky bullshitter various Japanese women online can be:

" l am sorry
I can't make it today
I slipped and fall down from stairs right now
Sprain my ankle
I can't walk "

I know some of you are thinking maybe, just maybe, she might be telling the truth.

Emailed her with a different account and name. She claimed to be with friends and going to Roppongi of all places.

When dealing with such untrustworthy and unreliable women, always have a plan B. My Sunday turned out great, as met with a Japanese dancer, who agreed on dinner. Had I only counted on the 1st Japanese woman to keep her word and promise, Sunday would have been wrecked, due to the famous "last minute cancel game" played by too many Japanese women. Just a word to the wise, who might be trying out online dating.
 
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Fwiiw, my response to the sorts of behaviors discussed above is to simply forget about the person (block them if they are too persistent in trying to get more responses from me) and move on. Life is pretty short, and there are lots of great things (and partners) to do with the time you have. Why waste or worry any of it away for no gain, I figure.

-Ww
 
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I recommend the website Omiai. It's based on Facebook and has a mobile app too. It's more geared for long-term relationships than NSA-type stuff but it has all legit people and I got plenty of dates on it. It's only in Japanese though but there are lots of girls who know English or want to meet a foreigner.

https://apps.facebook.com/omiai-jp/
 
I recommend the website Omiai. It's based on Facebook and has a mobile app too. It's more geared for long-term relationships than NSA-type stuff but it has all legit people and I got plenty of dates on it. It's only in Japanese though but there are lots of girls who know English or want to meet a foreigner.

https://apps.facebook.com/omiai-jp/
Omiai or an affiliate was spamming the hell out of Tinder. Lots of FAKES.

I'm very suspicious of them.
 
I used them about 6 months ago and it was fine then. No fake profiles, no spam, etc. Worldfriends was also good but I used that years ago so I don't know if it's still good.
 
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I recommend this club.
http://universe-club.jp/men/

Its based in Tokyo , and is high class. Not the cheapest , but worth it.
They have around 100 new girls registering every month.
Especially recommended for elder , successful men , who are busy with work.
They also offer a free trial membership for 1 month .
Give it a try , if you think this might be something for you.
After sending a request , they will arrange a meeting with you and discuss the guidelines of the club.
 
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I recommend this club.
http://universe-club.jp/men/

Its based in Tokyo , and is high class. Not the cheapest , but worth it.
They have around 100 new girls registering every month.
Especially recommended for elder , successful men , who are busy with work.
They also offer a free trial membership for 1 month .
Give it a try , if you think this might be something for you.
After sending a request , they will arrange a meeting with you and discuss the guidelines of the club.

The Universe Club is NOT online dating. It's in the P4P, Escort Service, GFE (Girlfriend-like Experience) categories.

There is a big difference between say a true online dating site like Japan Cupid and the Universe Club.

Online dating refers to normal non-P4P and no money being exchanged, except for website membership, where the Universe Club would be closer to paying money to meet. Somewhat like what Deai/Date cafes do in Japan, but an online version.

Both are great and have their place, but the thread was referring to one type as opposed to the other.
 
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Hello guys.... I recently inscribed here.... I see no mention of Ashley Madison here re; the dating sites..... My experience has been, in the last 2 months, that there are a lot of "fake" profiles, just there to get people to send paid-for messages....... I did have a few experiences where after getting a response, we switched to e-mail.... Actually had one dinner with a woman who was nothing like she described herself to be....and though before I met her, I was anticipating "desert" - I did have a nice time, as she spoke almost perfect english....but there was zero sex attraction. Live and learn..... Then there are others who will share their e-mail addresses, and then you find yourself bombarded with spam for all sorts of sites......... Anyone else with similar experiences?
 
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I've used JapanCupid for a couple of months and not much luck so far. You really need to invest a lot of time talking to girls you know nothing about who may or may not look like their pictures - which I suppose is the same with every dating website but since my Japanese is not so hot, it takes me a lot of time. I've met two so far. One gave me the usual "Tanoshikatta, mata aimashou" along with a box of chocolates (it was Valentine's day) and then never replied to my follow-up message (for the life of me I will never understand why Japanese women feel compelled to act like they really like you and you're really special when really they don't give a shit and there's no money involved - it's so utterly depressing...). The other one is really interested in me but not particularly attractive (she's 12 years younger than me so I'm still kinda tempted).

So I'm trying digicafe. This one is kinda weird. It's got two sides, the normal "pink" side and a "ura" "black" side, which is like the sleazier underside where everyone talks about how they're really into doing "eichi" (whatever that means). Essentially everyone has two profiles, a normal one and a more sexually explicit one. For instance I am now conversing with a married woman in her mid-thirties who has a picture showing her face (or what purports to be her face) along with a short blurb essentially saying that she's looking for good friends even though she tends to be a little flirtatious at times - but then if you hit the black "ura" button, all of a sudden it's a picture of her ass instead of her face and the blurb goes into the different blowjob techniques she's mastered over the years (never knew there were so many).

First day I got about 20 messages without even posting my picture, which made me suspicious. Most of the messages were kinda generic with no reference to anything that would be specific to me, with three exceptions (including the above-mentioned housewife), which are the ones I decided to respond to just to see where it would get me (nowhere I think but who knows). They seem very surprised that I'm a gaijin and asked for a picture to confirm (I obliged) so probably it's not very common.

To reply to a message you need to spend points and to buy enough points to write one message you need to spend about 300円. Way overpriced I think. Especially since the girls never took on my offer to pursue the conversation by email or skype.

Anyone has any experience with that website?
 
To reply to a message you need to spend points and to buy enough points to write one message you need to spend about 300円. Way overpriced I think. Especially since the girls never took on my offer to pursue the conversation by email or skype

Be very careful of "sakura" s on such sites. Sakura is basically a person whose aim is to keep you messaging and spending money to buy those points. They work for the site and may or may not be women. Long time ago, I was a member of such sites and met those online. I do not know Digicafe but it sounds very similar. Another thing you have to deal with are the spam mails. It can really get to one after a while.

I used to be a member of JapanCupid about three or four years ago. The impression I had was, the women on JC are generally into serious relationships. So if you want to get physical, you need to put lots of time and effort in it. There may be ones who are only interested in NSA relationship but those were rare.
 
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Also there are women who do the gokons, konpas, & dates treating it like a one night stand. It may have been fun for her usually at your expense. & most likely the name was fake.
 
My impression with the one that never replied back was that she really didn't want to spend Valentine's Day alone and hooked up with me even though I wasn't her first choice.

As for digicafe, I was suspecting the same thing, which is why I'm focusing on one person and if it doesn't work I'm gonna stop here.
 
It strikes me as strange business tactics since if I run into one of those "sakuras" I stop using the website altogether whereas if I get replies from real people then I might end up spending more money.
 
Ok. Ran out of credits, got me nowhere. That's it for me.

If anyone has had a more positive experience, I'd love to hear it.

Some of the profiles must be genuine though but it's too much of a hassle finding out which.