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Rei - Reverse Nanpa Kirari Date Cafe In Shibuya

User#8628 said:
The momocafe in Ikebukuro is a nicer place for reverse nampa
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I have been to different Kirari a few times, in Shibuya and Shinjuku. My experience has been more good than bad. Most of the time it was fun. I met one really attractive young girl. We exchanged Line and met again privately. I just wonder: is there any difference between Kirari and Momo, or are they identical products? Any differenciation or market segmentation? Thanks
 
I want to try Momo Cafe in Ikebukuro. Can you post or PM me the address? Your description sounds perfect.
Edit: Sorry, that was for you. Alice or anyone who might know. I am not finding it here.
 
audioboy77 said:
BTW i have a data only sim, so any tricks to add a Japanese phone number to that somehow? I tried text plus but didn't work, and gave me US number.
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You can get a Japanese Skype number for about 15$ every 3 months.

I actually use always Skype as well when calling to providers because I don't want their number in my phone bill.
 
I wonder how the one in Ueno is.......
 
Lars Lust said:
I have been to different Kirari a few times, in Shibuya and Shinjuku. My experience has been more good than bad. Most of the time it was fun. I met one really attractive young girl. We exchanged Line and met again privately. I just wonder: is there any difference between Kirari and Momo, or are they identical products? Any differenciation or market segmentation? Thanks
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I haven't been to the reverse nampa kirari but the reverse momocafe in Ikebukuro is pretty big and nice.
As for the non reverse regular ones, momo used to be more upscale, richer customers (because more expensive) and better girls room so it may attract nicer girls (and there was this story that momocafe refuses unattractive girls so that the girls are better but i've seen a woman in her 30s with smudged eyeliner who looked a bit strange there when it was quiet so they probably only do that if there are many girls if they do that at all) also i think new girls are more likely to start at momo (it was the first cafe i ever went) because the athmosphere is nicer, but they will move to kirari eventually because there are more guys. I think most girls use both cafes and kirari might be fuller of girls because it has more male customers (because cheaper).

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I found it!! :):cautious:
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Ok good, let us know how it goes.

just4fun said:
I wonder how the one in Ueno is.......
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I've been to Ueno kirari twice and never get called at all. There seems to be a decent selection of girls and not so different from the ones in other cafes.

The deai cafes got really quiet recently. I haven't been in ages but the last few times i went its just waiting around for hours and when you get called guys propose something totally unreasonable (15.000 for nama, that kind of things) so unless i hear about it pulling up, i'm pretty done with them unless i'll have some spare hours and really nowhere better to go (will keep checking on them from time to time). I used to just walk in and get called and have some callers lined up for if it didn't work out si this really sucks! This may mean that its easier for guys to get a good deal there though so good luck and give the very nice and helpfull staff there a reason to keep the cafes open. :)
 
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What's on the membership form when you join the deai cafe? While they may not check ID, do you need to write your full name?
The reason I'm asking is even though I have a fake nickname that I use for P4P, it's short. I haven't thought of a fake full name yet! Haha :D
 
audioboy77 said:
Earlier today I went to the reverse date cafe in shibuya (kirari, next to the sushi shop).

I guess I'm one of the weird ones who likes the idea of there being some attraction on the girls part, I'm also naively hoping I might find a girl who wants some repeat company with nice time as well as the cash (which would be a reasonable setup for me).

Sadly didn't get through the door. The guy was fine and I scraped by with my nihongo (he was clearly not picky about it, I could tell he couldn't really understand what I was saying sometime). The problem was I have no phone number here. He said I could use passport instead, bit didnt have with me, and also not sure I want to hand that over.

Anyone got any advice/tips ? Has anyone used a passport before?

Also he explained the pricing but I couldnt understand fully. There are 3x 2000 yen on the board he was pointing to. I guess it means membership + day pass + date fee? Edit: I notice original poster mentioned price, but it seems 100 yen different, so I'm wondering if I misunderstood something.

BTW i have a data only sim, so any tricks to add a Japanese phone number to that somehow? I tried text plus but didn't work, and gave me US number.
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Log onto Skype, pay less than $20 for a Japanese phone number for 3 months. Install skype on your phone, if they call your number to check it'll ring on your phone. They didn't call mine they just let me through, so I think you'd be ok. I do use a skype number for these types of establishments.
 
User#8628 said:
I've been to Ueno kirari twice and never get called at all. There seems to be a decent selection of girls and not so different from the ones in other cafes.
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I've been to 3 Kirari's Ueno, And Ikebukuro East and West. I like the Ikebukuro East one because it has a non smoking and smoking section for the men. They also tend to be more full of men than the Ueno one. The 2-3 times I went to Ueno there were maybe 4 men total, and often there were 5-7 women. Of the 4 men in the room, there seems to always be one who is always on their phone. Not looking at the women. Another who just stands there and looks at the women but never calls any. And one or two that will call women and always seem to get rejected for their dates...
 
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iamyuu said:
What's on the membership form when you join the deai cafe? While they may not check ID, do you need to write your full name?
The reason I'm asking is even though I have a fake nickname that I use for P4P, it's short. I haven't thought of a fake full name yet! Haha :D
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I don't remember them checking ID. I know most women don't use their real name so it's probably ok for men to use fake names.
 
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impish said:
I don't remember them checking ID. I know most women don't use their real name so it's probably ok for men to use fake names.
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You have to give your real name and all your information to the staff as a woman. They even copy women's IDs. But they give you another card which they will show to the male customers on which you can fill in a fake name.
I really think you guys should respect their safety rules and give a real phonenumber. This wont get you into any trouble. It would be super reassuring for girls to have some kind of protection in case some guy is really dangerous, at least knowing he wont get away with it.
 
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User#8628 said:
You have to give your real name and all your information to the staff as a woman. They even copy women's IDs. But they give you another card which they will show to the male customers on which you can fill in a fake name.
I really think you guys should respect their safety rules and give a real phonenumber. This wont get you into any trouble. It would be super reassuring for girls to have some kind of protection in case some guy is really dangerous, at least knowing he wont get away with it.
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Skype number is a real phone number, linked to personal data through their payment system. It's just some people don't want to give out number to their phone to places like that. I do the same with delihealth. I've had the skype number for at least 6 months, Skype keeps charging me and I'll keep the number... I can't honestly remember if I showed my ID or not, but on the slip that you fill out to give to the women it has a spot for your name so I guess the men could lie about it on that if they really wanted too. Not that I see any real need to since it's only a first name that you have to give.
 
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impish said:
Skype number is a real phone number, linked to personal data through their payment system. It's just some people don't want to give out number to their phone to places like that. I do the same with delihealth. I've had the skype number for at least 6 months, Skype keeps charging me and I'll keep the number... I can't honestly remember if I showed my ID or not, but on the slip that you fill out to give to the women it has a spot for your name so I guess the men could lie about it on that if they really wanted too. Not that I see any real need to since it's only a first name that you have to give.
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Thanks for clearing that up about the skype numbers!
As far as i know, men only have to give their phone number and maybe briefly show id, not sure.
You are meant to lie on your public card that they show to the girls, just like the girls lie on theirs (well i suppose some innocent souls use their real names). The cafe staff certainly wont check and demand that you put your real name on the paper they give to the girls. I agree its good to use a different name for such situations.
 
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Sitting in momo cafe now,.wow this was a waste of 6000 yen. Been here for an hour, one not so attractive girl and 20 men waiting around, is it because of the time of year?
 
Okay ended up with a cutie. She had zero technique, told me she was tired after 40 mintues and was obviously a pro as she had just came back from her previous date I saw her go on an hour before.
Assuming she was as pro, I paid 25,000 for one hour.... How much did I get ripped off?

25,000 + 6,000(Cafe fee) + 3,000(hotel)
34,000 total for an hour
 
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impish said:
25000 is less than most pro escorts that offer FS. I think the ripoff is Momo Cafes ¥6000 fee
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is 25,000 a rip-off for Deai cafes though? There is a bunch of mixed messaging but what is the general marketplace rate for one hour?

JK style girls all have given me a better time for less money per hour.
None of them have been as perfect looking as a doll like this one. But it kinda made me appreciate that looks don't matter if your technique is too lie down and say okay you can enter me now.
 
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okayspot said:
But it kinda made me appreciate that looks don't matter if your technique is too lie down and say okay you can enter me now.
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So you didn't get the Girlfriend Experience you were looking but instead the Japanese Wife Experience? :p
 
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is 25,000 a rip-off for Deai cafes though? There is a bunch of mixed messaging but what is the general marketplace rate for one hour?
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I don't think I would have paid that for an hour. I would have tried to negotiate down to ¥15,000. The women will often start high knowing the men will try to talk them down. Do I think it's a rip-off it's hard to tell I wasn't there to experience it ;-)
 
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It's these situations that make me glad there's managers in this industry. If there weren't many would just give an excuse & totally not honor time agreements.
I know some may attach negative stereotypes to someone who manages someone else but if they encourage people to manage their schedule, set realistic rates, & honor agreements then why not?
 
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It's these situations that make me glad there's managers in this industry. If there weren't many would just give an excuse & totally not honor time agreements.
I know some may attach negative stereotypes to someone who manages someone else but if they encourage people to manage their schedule, set realistic rates, & honor agreements then why not?
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Most of the deriheru/hoteheru places have charges where the shower time is part of the time you pay for. When you pay for an hour you rarely get more than 40-45 minutes of play time as the other 15 minutes is for shower time. If @okayspot showered with her and did not include that in the time above for play then the time he got isn't any different from deri/hote heru. Kirari is totally hit or miss.
 
impish said:
Most of the deriheru/hoteheru places have charges where the shower time is part of the time you pay for. When you pay for an hour you rarely get more than 40-45 minutes of play time as the other 15 minutes is for shower time. If @okayspot showered with her and did not include that in the time above for play then the time he got isn't any different from deri/hote heru. Kirari is totally hit or miss.
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I did include that as part of the time, probably shouldn't have.... The girl was letting me keep track of time. When we started taking our clothes off I was just like "uhh, should I start the timer?". and she was kinda surprised when I got in the shower with her.

From what I've read on JP message boards there seems to be an expectation for the pro girls in the cafes that it's a cum once, not so much a set time. with 20 minutes left she started asking me how could we make me cum and that she was starting to get tired. Didn't stop her from heading back to the cafe for one more round though.

One other question about the negotiations it went something like this:

She had only written down Karaoke and Eating out on her list of things she wanted to do

*/ Introductions Small talk Cut /*
Her: So, What do you want to do?
Me: WariKiri
Her: How much are you willing to pay?
Me: how much do you charge?
Her: 30,000
Me: how about 20,000?
Her: I don't know, today I really just wanted to go to karaoke so....
Me: 30,000 is for how long?
Her: One hour
Me: How about two hours?
Her: No I really want to do just one hour
Me: Okay 20,000 is impossible?
Her: Yes, so I guess that ends this Goes to press the no deal button
Me: Wait, What do you sing at at karaoke?
She Lists some pop bands
Me: How Much is Karaoke?
Her: 5000 / hour
Me: Okay, let's go to Karaoke!!!
Her: Well I really want to do Warikiri today., how about 25,000?
Me: 25,000 for 70 minutes?
Her: no one hour
Me: okay, deal.

What's up with the bluffing of the Karaoke? I actually wanted to go with her heh. What better strategies do you use for negotiation?
 
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