sugardaddy.jp some initial experiences

[RKDK]

Thank you for the update. For adult, pricing the market, can you give info on the gift amount, and rough age ranges?

Sorry about a late follow-up.
I ranges from as low as 3 to around 5 (they only mention 1 digit, which obvious menas 10,000 yen)
Looks like 3 does not necessarily means bad and 5 to be good. and the age does not matter either. I got a highball pitch from 40+ old, some of the low-20s girls only want 3 or 4.

 

[RKDK]

I'm back in Tokyo after a few months away, and poking around sugardaddy again.

It may be because the pandemic is winding down, but free meetups and sex for 2-3 seems to be no longer practical. I found one girl who was DTF for 3 flat with no date beforehand, but she turned out to be a starfish and possibly mentally disabled, absolutely horrible experience. Girls who will meet for a dinner/coffee date without an allowance are also few and far between; the only one I got so far was a 40+ separated housewife, who was fun to drink with but not even especially MILFy. I should add that I am N1 in Japanese, so I imagine sugaring on the cheap is even tougher if you don't read and write the language...

On the other hand there are good lays available if you shell out 1 for a date plus 3 for sex (although many chicks won't even talk to you at that level). Just spent a couple hours with a perky tandai student on that budget, and got two pops in with DATY, BBBJ, BBFS (as long as I didn't come inside her), cuddling, konyoku, etc. etc. Fantastic, much better than using escorts or deliheru IMO.

The girls I'm meeting generally don't want to exchange LINE beforehand, but are happy to do so once you meet them in person. Perhaps because there are scammers/spammers posing as potential SDs.

Looks like you've been into this business for a quite a time.
I only met some during a short biz-trips so haven't mastered the art yet.
Just wondering how you filter out the ones from agencies/scammers from Sugardaddy? Enlighten me plz

 

[psd]

Do you get notified if you're reported? I see in some girls' profiles comments telling people to stop reporting them.
(I've never had an argument or dispute on SB so I wouldn't have been reported)

 

[fireman]

They announced that they are increasing the price for "Diamond" status to 15,000-30,000 yen per month (depending on the term of your contract). And the guy still has to verify his income. Pretty fucking crazy, wonder how many dudes will actually bite.

 

[Tokidoki]

They announced that they are increasing the price for "Diamond" status to 15,000-30,000 yen per month (depending on the term of your contract). And the guy still has to verify his income. Pretty fucking crazy, wonder how many dudes will actually bite.

They changed the prices back in March:

【実施日】
2023年3月13日

■12ヵ月プラン（New）
月額 6,000円
お支払額 72,000円（税込）

■6ヵ月プラン
月額 7,000円
お支払額 42,000円（税込）

■3ヵ月プラン
月額 7,500円
お支払額 22,500円（税込）

■1ヵ月プラン
月額 8,000円
お支払額 8,000円（税込）

I couldn't find the documentation of a price increase for Diamond Status members. Got a link?

 

[leducul]

Just had an usual interaction I wanted to share.
Somehow I felt it belonged here, as an open thread on sugardaddy more than a new thread.
So after chatting with a 40 years old claiming she's always told she looks way younger than her age, I moved to the next stage of meeting face to face.
She's interesting as the chat indicated, but... She looks older than 40 years old, I jokingly made the point during our encounter, and she acted a bit surprised, we exchanged line (hard to decline at that point although I already knew we would not go further).
And afterwards I sent a message telling her she's very interesting person but I don't felt chemistry between us, and as I'm looking for a sugar baby... I won't pursue.
She then proceeded to insult me as if I was an horrible person.
I feel bad, but honestly I was polite, I thought it would have been acceptable even for a dating site, and as Sugardaddy is a bit more focused...
I don't want to ghost, but that might have been simpler though.
Maybe she was not aware of the general usage of the site (but we exchanged money, and I clearly chatted on my end goal), it took a lot of effort for her to go up to meet someone and she was very disappointed it stopped there.
Anyway I probably dodged a bullet.

 

[CharlieSimms]

“And afterwards I sent a message telling her she's very interesting person but I don't felt chemistry between us, and as I'm looking for a sugar baby... I won't pursue.”

TMI and totally unnecessary. Ghosting is the way. Never make it personal. Lawdy lawd, this isn’t a job interview.

 

[MikeH]

Lawdy lawd, this isn’t a job interview.

Even if it was the correct answer is just to inform "unfortunately we are not moving to the next stage with you" and then block the number.

 

[Ken4fb]

Just want to share my experience with sugardaddy.jp (usually referred to as sd.jp site)

I started using Sd.jp recently and continue to use it despite a bad incident I had with the first girl I met from the site.

I used to use seeking.com (aka SA) quite often because it is easier to communicate in English. Now I am giving sd.jp a try because somebody has got a lot of success with it.
I noticed there are a lot more ladies available on sd.jp compared to SA. I avoid those who mentioned they are doing AV , or modeling since I have been scammed before.

Within a month, I have met nine ladies in total from the site.
Out of that nine, five ladies are willing to do Otona (大人 - adult , to have sex) . Some from the first date , some from the second date. One was a scam. Luckily found two keepers out of that five.
I have signed up for another month. Will see how it goes and report back.

What I also found is that for Tokyo, I haven't tried another city yet, the compensation for first meeting is usually 1 (10,000 Yen) , while otona is 3 - 5. This is by no mean a standard pricing. If you can find a girl , who is asking less than that AND you think she is hot then that's good for you.

I usually being up front about being a foreigner from one of the Asian countries, and my written Japanese being crap. They seems to be okay with it when we meet up in person. I could speak Japanese without much accent, although I am not at the level to be able to arguing with a lawyer , yet.

A number of girls told me that the guy who they are seeing told them that he is from other city outside of Tokyo, hence they don't see each other that often. I think that is a cleaver story from the guy's side. He doesn't have to feel the obligation of meeting the lady too often.

I told the lady on the first meeting that I am , and will be , seeing other girls. I also told them that they are also free to do the same, to see other daddy or having boyfriends. I don't care. Some seems to have taken aback by that , while most are appreciated.

I am still sticking with my current SBs. I have been seeing them for almost two years. We plan to continue to do so in a foreseeable future. I feel that I need to expand my horizon to see who is available out there. It does take a lot of energy, time and money to find a good one. If anything, I learnt that I was quite lucky to find those current SBs and I actually appreciate them even more.

つづく〜

 

[Alice]

A number of girls told me that the guy who they are seeing told them that he is from other city outside of Tokyo, hence they don't see each other that often. I think that is a cleaver story from the guy's side. He doesn't have to feel the obligation of meeting the lady too often.

Definitely clever though most often true as far as I can tell.
People from smaller towns are usually more willing to splurge on gorgeous ladies when they do visit Tokyo (they probably have cheaper cost of living overall).

I’ve been seeing some Japanese guys from other areas on businesses trips to Tokyo recently and have no reason to doubt their stories. Not many local Japanese unless you count Saitama as local.

Just had an usual interaction I wanted to share.
Somehow I felt it belonged here, as an open thread on sugardaddy more than a new thread.
So after chatting with a 40 years old claiming she's always told she looks way younger than her age, I moved to the next stage of meeting face to face.
She's interesting as the chat indicated, but... She looks older than 40 years old, I jokingly made the point during our encounter, and she acted a bit surprised, we exchanged line (hard to decline at that point although I already knew we would not go further).
And afterwards I sent a message telling her she's very interesting person but I don't felt chemistry between us, and as I'm looking for a sugar baby... I won't pursue.
She then proceeded to insult me as if I was an horrible person.
I feel bad, but honestly I was polite, I thought it would have been acceptable even for a dating site, and as Sugardaddy is a bit more focused...
I don't want to ghost, but that might have been simpler though.
Maybe she was not aware of the general usage of the site (but we exchanged money, and I clearly chatted on my end goal), it took a lot of effort for her to go up to meet someone and she was very disappointed it stopped there.
Anyway I probably dodged a bullet.

Your main fail was saying that she looks older than her age. You are lucky you survived that at all, haha!

 

[leducul]

I was using the premium plan, and, as it was about to end, noticed I could upgrade to diamond for the remainder, so I tried.
It gives access to more data, in particular: date of joining, last date of login, number of people that sent message to her, number of people she sent message to, the complaints she received.
Could not find those statistics for me though...

I kind of characterized 4 type of women I interacted with:
. Sent huge amount of messages / Received a few response: usually the picture is nice, the message is aggressive, I never pursued with this kind so I don't really know where it leads. But it smells scammy.
. Sent more than received but still reasonable: I met a few, typically they bargain for high 1man for meeting, and then it's not really a fun meeting, never wanted to pursue, and neither did they. So I assume they are living on that first interaction fee.
. Received several messages, and sent a few: those are the ones that were most enjoyable for me. They usually were ok for 0 or 5k first meeting, and ok to go to the next step. They were genuine persons.
. Received many messages, sent none, always beautiful picture: I'm not sure what do to of those accounts. Maybe they are like decoy and help another account target people more accurately, because a bot sending message to everyone would be too much

All in all, I was thinking diamond is rather expensive but could really help focus the effort for me on genuine participant, as I'm looking for dates ending in the hotel.

 

[Ken4fb]

Definitely clever though most often true as far as I can tell.
People from smaller towns are usually more willing to splurge on gorgeous ladies when they do visit Tokyo (they probably have cheaper cost of living overall).

I’ve been seeing some Japanese guys from other areas on businesses trips to Tokyo recently and have no reason to doubt their stories. Not many local Japanese unless you count Saitama as local.

No doubt some of them (most?) is real. I know for sure that some of the TAG members intentionally look for SB outside of their city to avoid troubles.

I was using the premium plan, and, as it was about to end, noticed I could upgrade to diamond for the remainder, so I tried.
It gives access to more data, in particular: date of joining, last date of login, number of people that sent message to her, number of people she sent message to, the complaints she received.
Could not find those statistics for me though...

I kind of characterized 4 type of women I interacted with:
. Sent huge amount of messages / Received a few response: usually the picture is nice, the message is aggressive, I never pursued with this kind so I don't really know where it leads. But it smells scammy.
. Sent more than received but still reasonable: I met a few, typically they bargain for high 1man for meeting, and then it's not really a fun meeting, never wanted to pursue, and neither did they. So I assume they are living on that first interaction fee.
. Received several messages, and sent a few: those are the ones that were most enjoyable for me. They usually were ok for 0 or 5k first meeting, and ok to go to the next step. They were genuine persons.
. Received many messages, sent none, always beautiful picture: I'm not sure what do to of those accounts. Maybe they are like decoy and help another account target people more accurately, because a bot sending message to everyone would be too much

All in all, I was thinking diamond is rather expensive but could really help focus the effort for me on genuine participant, as I'm looking for dates ending in the hotel.

Thank you for sharing 🙏

I didn't know the extra data for Diamond user would be that useful.

 

[leducul]

I didn't know the extra data for Diamond user would be that useful.

Yeah, it feels a bit like a bug becoming a feature.

• we have strange user behavior that we should probably automate the filtering for to clean the platform for our paying user experience
• ... Or we make them pay more to get the data to do the filtering on their own !

 

[Alice]

It gives access to more data, in particular: date of joining, last date of login, number of people that sent message to her, number of people she sent message to, the complaints she received.
Could not find those statistics for me though...

This feature is honestly messed up. I know stories of girls that used the site and guys getting angry at them because they noticed the girls were messaging other guys as well…

 

[MikeH]

This feature is honestly messed up. I know stories of girls that used the site and guys getting angry at them because they noticed the girls were messaging other guys as well…

That is unfortunate. The girls I have messaged with have never messaged with any other guys, just me. Because I am special.

Their words, not mine.

 

[Joe2017]

I do the same in fair reciprocity. I only exchange messages in SD with only one SB, ... with the others, I use Line.

 

[CABAL]

Hey guys

Sharing my sd experiences. I'm late 30s, Asian, can speak reasonable Japanese, as you may have seen from my other posts.

Did 2 months of it, talked with probably over 100 girls. Only met up with a handful.

Numbers are in man, as is the lingo for PK
PK - papa katsu
PJ - papa joshi = SB

To make it easy, I just offered 1 for all meetups and a variety of 3 to 6 for hotel afterwards, depending on what I thought I was going to get.

Some girls wanted hotel 8-10 and I just declined
Some girls wanted platonic and I declined
Some girls wanted 2-3 meetup and I declined
Some just fizzled after chatting to them for a while

You have to be careful with photoshop like super careful
My longterm SB had no filters, the others I met up with

One girl actually wanted to marry and I almost met her just to see what it was about, for 0, but then actually felt bad for her after LINE for almost 2 weeks nonstop, so split

Met:
Current longterm girl:
Tokyo, 27, G bust, normal size, 9/10 hot for me, worked overseas for many years, speaks very little English though, 1 meet, 5 everything else, now have been on 3 trips together and a few overnights. We message almost every couple of days. Next trip to Singapore together. CFS only though.

Hotel:
Tokyo, 28, C bust, normal size, 7/10, nailist, 1kdinner, 4 few hours at hotel, BBFS, just wanted FS though, didn't want to do anything else. Didn't have interests aligned and she was a bit too talkative for me.
Tokyo, 29, B bust, slim, 7/10, works in childcare, 1 dinner, 6 overnight, BBFS x 2 and them BBBJ and HJ in the morning. She was reasonably pretty but a loopy and loved to drink too much.

Dinner
Tokyo, 24, student (don't know what she studied), slim build, probably As, I just didn't have much to talk about with her, probably shows our age difference. 1 dinner.
Tokyo, 30, just returned from USA, 6/10, medium build, probably Cs, lunch 1k, both weren't interested in each other, not much good conversation, she didn't want to stay in Japan, 1 lunch.
Tokyo, 27, beauty school?, medium build, Gs, I was keen to get going with her but she wasn't interested that day, and we sort of lost contact afterwards, I guess she just wasn't interested, 1 dinner.

Happy to field questions!
I'm pretty happy with my longterm SB even though we live in separate countries, but would love to be BB, almost want to just date her, which is the problem with PK

 

[biggiesmallpop]

Happy to field questions!
I'm pretty happy with my longterm SB even though we live in separate countries, but would love to be BB, almost want to just date her, which is the problem with PK

Don't you worry about BBFS with a young gal in terms of being in the pregnancy trap / scam situation? Even with civies I always worried and never creampies which is half the fun.

Btw Awesome stats thanka for sharings. I don't mind paying for a regular but I guess the problem is finding one -- time and money to get thete. What sites did you use and did you worry about showing your real pics since undoubtedly some girls at work or other friends are also there legitimately or catfishing.

Is PK not sexual and PJ is ? Or I need to find the glossary

 

[TAG Manager]

Is PK not sexual and PJ is ? Or I need to find the glossary

Read the post again.

 

[Ken4fb]

Just want to share my experience with sugardaddy.jp (usually referred to as sd.jp site)

I started using Sd.jp recently and continue to use it despite a bad incident I had with the first girl I met from the site.

I used to use seeking.com (aka SA) quite often because it is easier to communicate in English. Now I am giving sd.jp a try because somebody has got a lot of success with it.
I noticed there are a lot more ladies available on sd.jp compared to SA. I avoid those who mentioned they are doing AV , or modeling since I have been scammed before.

Within a month, I have met nine ladies in total from the site.
Out of that nine, five ladies are willing to do Otona (大人 - adult , to have sex) . Some from the first date , some from the second date. One was a scam. Luckily found two keepers out of that five.
I have signed up for another month. Will see how it goes and report back.

What I also found is that for Tokyo, I haven't tried another city yet, the compensation for first meeting is usually 1 (10,000 Yen) , while otona is 3 - 5. This is by no mean a standard pricing. If you can find a girl , who is asking less than that AND you think she is hot then that's good for you.

I usually being up front about being a foreigner from one of the Asian countries, and my written Japanese being crap. They seems to be okay with it when we meet up in person. I could speak Japanese without much accent, although I am not at the level to be able to arguing with a lawyer , yet.

A number of girls told me that the guy who they are seeing told them that he is from other city outside of Tokyo, hence they don't see each other that often. I think that is a cleaver story from the guy's side. He doesn't have to feel the obligation of meeting the lady too often.

I told the lady on the first meeting that I am , and will be , seeing other girls. I also told them that they are also free to do the same, to see other daddy or having boyfriends. I don't care. Some seems to have taken aback by that , while most are appreciated.

I am still sticking with my current SBs. I have been seeing them for almost two years. We plan to continue to do so in a foreseeable future. I feel that I need to expand my horizon to see who is available out there. It does take a lot of energy, time and money to find a good one. If anything, I learnt that I was quite lucky to find those current SBs and I actually appreciate them even more.

つづく〜

My experiment with sd.jp has come to an end, for the meantime.
I was on the site for almost 3 months, from the beginning of July. My membership will expired in October. I won't be renewing it in a foreseeable future.

Tips: What works for me.

• Ignore any girl who dictate the location for the first meeting
• Ignore those who state their cup size on their profile or in the first message.
• Ignore those who state they are models or doing AV in their profile.
• If you are not into plus size girl, look for the profile which you can see their body, even with cloth on is fine.
• A lunch meetup does not translate well to follow up.
• Always ask for a face to face meeting. The one that worth follow up will be okay with it. Then, both of you you can decide to go directly to LH right after initial greetings.

Here are some stats

Duration: 2.5 months. Nothing was happening during Obon in August. That's about two weeks of lost time.
Total dates: 21 (include those who completed the date)
Total completed date: 8 , 6 compensated , 1 scam, 1 free.
Total keeper: 1 definitely, 1 maybe, 5 added to the rotation and one platonic.

The free one wasn't supposed to be free. We didn't agree on the comp and it slipped out of my mind when we parted. I even have an envelop in my pocket but somehow didn't give it to her. She also did not ask for her gift on that day. I tried to contact her so I can give her the compensation but she doesn't want to meet me anymore.

The platonic lady is interesting. She doesn't want any money. She even offered to pay her share for the dinner, which I refused. We didn't discuss about the money during messaging. I read the air correctly that she doesn't want one. It was a mystery to me why she is on the site. I would love to see her again just for the conversations. I don't know for sure if she really want to. She isn't a typical Japanese. Our conversation were mostly in English. We do switched to Japanese when it was more suitable to the topic. A really nice person. I was surprised how much I enjoyed my time with her. Made me wonder if I should start using a normal dating apps just to meet up with people from different social circles.

What I learnt is, face to face meet up without the clear intention to complete the date is a waste of time. I only had one lady who followed up to complete the date. There were two more ladies who wanted to follow up but they aren't my type. It would have been better just to have a quick coffee or dinner before heading to the hotel on the same day. Again, this is what works for me. YMMI.

I am now having a fatigue for meeting new people. It takes time, energy and money.

Final rating for the site itself , Recommended May repeat

 

[Ken4fb]

Example of the profile which I will avoid. Too many mentioned of gravure , and mentioned of cup size. I felt that a real women wouldn't have written her profile like this, unless they are writing for an advertisement. There is a slim chance that I might be missing out on a hot girl, but then I don't think I will get along with her at the first place. If I need to have sex with a really beautiful girl , then it is better to go to high end SL, or indies

普段は女子大生グラビアをしております🥚

複数の方ではなく定期的に会える方が1人見つかればいいなと思ってます☺️

身長165.52.Eカップのグラビア体型です笑

体型の写真はファン向けに撮った1枚を会う方だけ送らせて頂きます😍

For those pro SDs out there , this is really obvious. For myself who used Japanese dating site for the first time, I wish I knew this before I started.

 

[Joe2017]

Ignore those who state their cup size on their profile or in the first message.

Very wise! Or go down at least two sizes whatever she says.

 

[fireman]

I agree with the advice to avoid self-proclaimed models, as that is code for "I won't do anything unless you show me a fat wad of cash, and even then I won't do much."

"複数の方ではなく定期的に会える方が1人見つかればいいなと思ってます," or some variation, appears in like 50% of the women's profiles. I think there are bloggers who recommend this language to attract SDs and that's why so many SBs like to use it. And I think it's legitimately what a lot of the girls want, even if they end up seeing a different guy every night, or juggling a small handful of regulars. Another phrase that I think comes from bloggers is "フットワークが軽いタイプです." I wouldn't avoid these lines specifically.

 

[Ken4fb]

Another phrase that I think comes from bloggers is "フットワークが軽いタイプです." I wouldn't avoid these lines specifically.

What do you mean by avoiding? I thought that phase means she would respond and make decision quickly, no?

 

[psd]

LOL, every second profile ...
"A friend introduced me to this site"