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Sugaring vs Escorting : what do you prefer?

Well, I found the frontier between SBs and escorts more porous than what both «sides » care to admit. Could get longer dates including travel with an escort too, and dated a SB who for all practical considerations was more an escort in disguise. But overall yes, I see what you mean. Especially with newbies on SA. Be careful however , SB or escort or civilian... a No is still a No: your first post sounded a bit like you had to force her

Definitely no means no. But this was not that at all. Should have been more clear. Licking around the edges of her panties, gently sliding them aside and licking gently as she grinds her hips. Fingering her gspot as she writhes and moans. After getting her off good we are cuddling and she says “Should I suck u now?” Hahaha a she is not! All this leading up to very consentual sex and a total of 4.5 hours room time. And then this is the same girl with the Zurich follow up.

On the travel bit the problem with a pro is u are taking her away from clients and that is super costly. A pro would really not be affordable for me because of what she has to price it at. Whereas an SB sees a trip with an older man as a bit of a thrill and the benefit more than monetary. So it’s just better all around at least imo.
 
Definitely no means no. But this was not that at all. Should have been more clear. Licking around the edges of her panties, gently sliding them aside and licking gently as she grinds her hips. Fingering her gspot as she writhes and moans. After getting her off good we are cuddling and she says “Should I suck u now?” Hahaha a escort she is not! All this leading up to very consentual sex and a total of 4.5 hours room time. And then this is the same girl with the Zurich follow up.

On the travel bit the problem with a pro is u are taking her away from clients and that is super costly. A pro would really not be affordable for me because of what she has to price it at. Whereas an SB sees a trip with an older man as a bit of a thrill and the benefit more than monetary. So it’s just better all around at least imo.

yeah... I guess we all know that it’s for the money but want the illusion (or maybe at least a half-truth, a hint, a hope whatever) that it’s not JUST for that.
because we are also terrific persons with a huge intellect and fascinating experience, ah ah :)
 
yeah... I guess we all know that it’s for the money but want the illusion (or maybe at least a half-truth, a hint, a hope whatever) that it’s not JUST for that.
because we are also terrific persons with a huge intellect and fascinating experience, ah ah :)
I've been told I'm not boring...........guess that's better than nothing eh. :p
 
I second that! You’re definitely not boring mate :)
Thank you sir..........I enjoy your company also. It's good to laugh.....I need to do it more.
 
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Now thats a convo I could not have with an escort ... this kind of friendly banter is priceless! Havent seen the girl for a while but she’s the funniest one (also great boobs and BJ skills) and I start to miss her ...

and yeah, I use emojis way too much, fuck you :)
 
So when is the sex party?
 
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So when is the sex party?

when you finally accept that there will be no penetration from me Mikey . I know , it’s hard to swallow, but you can swallow that
 
I found this thread really insightful, so replying here instead of starting a new thread, I started SB/SD recently. I have been using Soap, Agencies and seeing a number of independent girls for more than 10 years now. I only started looking at SB/SD at the end of 2021. I have only managed to "complete the dates" with 5 of them , out of about 10 which I have met via sugardaddy.jp and seeking.com. I have more luck with SA than SD for whatever reason. I like to think it is because I am not a white guy so girls on SD just met for coffee and nothing else further.

To me , SB isn't that much cheaper compared to independent girls. It is the diversity of SB girls which attracts me. I have met a Japanese soft dom girl, an Aussie , a hot Gothic Chinese girl and l am still looking for more varieties. I wouldn't be able to find those girls Soap land or escorting.

From the girls' point of view as a SB, they have a choice if they want to go further with the guy or not after meeting face to face. For escorting,they can probably have some level of screening from the email/messaging interactions. I don't think they can refuse the guy once they decided to meet in person.

I also found this comment below insightful
Here is something relevant I posted in a similar discussion on a private US board last month:

"However it is also wrong in an important way (at least ime) because it omits the one HUGE difference between conventional escorting/p4p and sugaring for the majority, large majority I think, of SBs on SA. Namely, as an SB they can and do decide to see or not see SDs for whatever reason they please even if he is able and willing to meet their financial goals. In principle of course, escorts can refuse customers too, but in practice they typically only reject them if they are really disagreeable for some reason. By contrast, SBs tend to choose the SDs they will see out of a pool of willing guys based on who they like the most. Basically they treat sugaring in much the same way that they treat dating, with the money as an added incentive to be a bit more open minded and willing to compromise than they would be in conventional dating situations. Lots of SBs state explicit criteria in their profiles. Typical examples include not being willing to see guys who are married (like me), who are over a certain age (like me), who are chubby (like me), who are not college grads, who won't travel with them, who smoke, who aren't into certain hobbies (usually like me), who won't take them shopping, who don't dress well (like me), who do/don't drink, who do drugs, who won't be exclusive (like me), who are bald (like me), who voted for Trump or whoever, who are not fans of X team...on and on. And even those who don't post such explicit criteria often have them and reveal them when you meet or are in correspondence. Imo this is quite a different dynamic and experience for women than the mostly just having sex with guys to earn some money one you described. And for me at least, this is a big part of the attraction of sugaring.

People have said that p4p is like buying a fish, while np4p is like fishing. Sugaring is sort of like fishing in a moderately stocked pond; success in getting something for dinner is easier to achieve but is definitely not a foregone conclusion."



You certainly won't find many, if any, conventional escorts who have lists of criteria for an acceptable customer such as the examples I list in the first paragraph of the above quote.

Another way of saying this is that escorting is a buyers market; men decide whom they want to see and pay. Sugaring is a seller's market; women decide whom they will see and whose money they will accept. That is a vast difference imo.

Of course the above really refers to the opposite iconic ends of what in reality is a spectrum. Some escorting is a lot more like classic sugaring and some sugaring more like classic escorting, but imo and ime they are definitely not the same thing.

-Ww
 
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I've only ever used escorts a handful of times in the states, and felt like the experiences were a little too mechanical for my liking. I've had the complete opposite experience with sugaring. I never pressure for dates, and I always tell them, 'If you're not into me, you don't have to do this. After our meet and greet, I'll let you text me and you tell me what you want to do.' I'm in my mid 30's, in decent shape, and know how to handle myself in public. (From what SB's have told me, that can be hard to find in some SD circles) But what I can tell you has earned me high praise, is that I've NEVER, NOT ONCE, argued with an SB about using a condom. In fact, I'd put it on before they've even thought about it. That has gotten me so many free dates, I can't begin to tell you. 'Wow. You're not going to fight me on it?!' And I'd respond, 'Why would I? I want you to WANT to be here.' It goes so far, it's gold in the SB community. I've had girls bring along their roommates, hit me up when guys their age have left town after the end of the semester, boyfriend is being an ass or doesn't go down on them, bad breakups, they're feeling down because another SD treated them like garbage....you name it, I've heard about it. And because I can often times look like one of their friends, I benefit in the form of a free lay.

I'm not saying this happens all the time, because it doesn't. But I'm sure the frequency of this is much higher than with escorts. I'm in the states now, but I sugared in Tokyo, treated them nicely, and they're still sending me gifts here and there. In fact, I recently got a Christmas postcard mailed to me from an SB in Tokyo. And before that, someone sent me a box full of kit-kats, little notes translating each flavor from Japanese, and a limited edition item that was only released in Japan.

Also snagged a few cheap dates, as in, just pay for dinner, from a couple of SB's in Tokyo who said they missed 'romantic, affectionate Western men'. With one of them specifically saying, 'I really just miss someone hugging me, kissing me, and telling me that they want me.' It was pretty surreal. I don't know how dudes do things in Gunma, but she pretty much fell into my lap.

When I'm not vanilla dating, I hop into the sugar bowl almost exclusively. It's fun. Low pressure. And for whatever reason, I'm landing chicks that I don't think I could in my regular life. And many times, for free. It's a crazy world. Nothing feels better than hearing an 8 or 9 say, 'Don't worry about it, just pay for dinner, I always have a great time with you.'
 
I've been reading about sugaring on this site for months now and learning the ropes, but even then there are just a few reasons why I don't think I'd go the sugar dating route yet.

Firstly, I think I am still a little bit too young and inexperienced. I'm in my mid 30s and compared to a number of fine gentleman here don't feel I have enough experience in life to go gushy on a woman I am paying to fawn over. It actually does me a favor mentally knowing that if I pay for a soap girl that I am going to get what I want, go through the passionate motions, and be done. I was a bit of a hopeless romantic as a teenager, struggled with serial monogamy for a bit, and have the most pathetic sob stories of college year lovers, which means I still need some growth in viewing women anywhere but a pedestal. (This is not saying that other 30-somethings in this forum are inexperienced, by the way; just my personal observation.)

Secondly, I don't think I can handle the chase right now. When looking at the "well stocked pond" analogy, I guarantee you I am the fisherman that came with a long, sturdy fishing pole, 20lb test strength line, bait....but no fucking hooks. Besides, I actually have my share of non p4p ladies in life right now to handle the social connection. The thing is that I can't have my fetishes with most of them. Purely at this point, my interest in 大人の関係 right now is living out those fantasies.

Lastly, I am certain I am not financially well off enough just yet. I am pretty sure I will be the absolute idiot that will run up 200k a month on a few ladies that won't put out. Escorts, soaps, and blowjob bars are my best bet.

So yeah, I am Team Escort 100%.
 
In my opinion, the beautiful thing about sugaring is that it can take the shape of whatever you'd like. All of my fantasies have been satisfied by SB's and afterward we can go grab a drink together. Even better when she gets to explore her fantasies as well. I know there are unspoken rules in sugar relationships, but they can definitely be amazing if you find the right person. If I'm being honest, the search for that match is the most tedious part, but after you do link up with someone and there's some common ground, it really has the potential to be something very fun.

I've never understood the number of my friends who beg their significant others for months to get what they want, or only have their fetishes catered to on their birthdays or anniversaries. And many times, she can't wait for them to get it over with. And that's what they want out of a life partner. That's not for me at all.

I have never viewed an SB as on a pedestal. Never. They're my equal. Two adults walking on this earth, and for a tiny blip in time, our journeys have a few parallel strides. And when that time is over, it's over. We're both free to go our separate ways.

I'm not trying to convince you to dip your toes into the bowl, but you ABSOLUTELY can discuss your fetishes with an SB. I promise you, she's probably heard of it before and probably more bizarre things. In fact, I had one SB tell me that one guy asked her to 'have sex WITH a sleeping bag'. Neither one of us knew how exactly she'd accomplish that, but we had a small laugh about it. And don't worry about being inexperienced, if you're kind, genuine, and treat them with respect, but are firm on what you're willing to offer, a good woman will help you out. But mutual respect is key.

And I'll say this again, sugaring does not have to break the bank. Many of these women are just tired of being treated like trash by men in their vanilla dating lives and in the sugar bowl. It may take some time, but if a woman thinks you're cute, respectful, and will follow through with your promises...she'll help you out. I can 1000% attest to that.

No matter what route you choose, remember to have fun, be safe, and be respectful.

Just my two cents.

I've been reading about sugaring on this site for months now and learning the ropes, but even then there are just a few reasons why I don't think I'd go the sugar dating route yet.

Firstly, I think I am still a little bit too young and inexperienced. I'm in my mid 30s and compared to a number of fine gentleman here don't feel I have enough experience in life to go gushy on a woman I am paying to fawn over. It actually does me a favor mentally knowing that if I pay for a soap girl that I am going to get what I want, go through the passionate motions, and be done. I was a bit of a hopeless romantic as a teenager, struggled with serial monogamy for a bit, and have the most pathetic sob stories of college year lovers, which means I still need some growth in viewing women anywhere but a pedestal. (This is not saying that other 30-somethings in this forum are inexperienced, by the way; just my personal observation.)

Secondly, I don't think I can handle the chase right now. When looking at the "well stocked pond" analogy, I guarantee you I am the fisherman that came with a long, sturdy fishing pole, 20lb test strength line, bait....but no fucking hooks. Besides, I actually have my share of non p4p ladies in life right now to handle the social connection. The thing is that I can't have my fetishes with most of them. Purely at this point, my interest in 大人の関係 right now is living out those fantasies.

Lastly, I am certain I am not financially well off enough just yet. I am pretty sure I will be the absolute idiot that will run up 200k a month on a few ladies that won't put out. Escorts, soaps, and blowjob bars are my best bet.

So yeah, I am Team Escort 100%.
 
I've never understood the number of my friends who beg their significant others for months to get what they want, or only have their fetishes catered to on their birthdays or anniversaries. And many times, she can't wait for them to get it over with. And that's what they want out of a life partner. That's not for me at all.
I can understand that. In the same amount, I am not really patient enough to search for that fetish-delivering buxom babe that hits all the switches. The aspect of being with someone who genuinely cares about me has kind of always been first, which is why I think I avoided p4p for most of my adult life as well. In delving into p4p, though, I am finding it quite relieving that I can pay a price to use a woman for her body, feel like a king, and go back to my busy work life. This is even doubly the case when it's a lunch break at work and I'd rather be doing Magic Mountain with someone I just met than eating. The lack of patience is certainly my biggest wall.

I have never viewed an SB as on a pedestal. Never. They're my equal. Two adults walking on this earth, and for a tiny blip in time, our journeys have a few parallel strides.
I...have an unconscious tendency to worship women. I don't know why. They have breasts. They have pussies, and peach shaped asses. I like all of those things, and want them thrown in my face at consistent intervals, but struggle to maintain confidence to reach out and grab them myself.

Even as a full grown man, I still have a lot of growing up to do. But at least, at last, I know what the issue is.

I'm not trying to convince you to dip your toes into the bowl, but you ABSOLUTELY can discuss your fetishes with an SB. I promise you, she's probably heard of it before and probably more bizarre things.
The issue isn't discussing the fetishes, but rather the social commitment being higher than what I have had to bear so far in fuuzoku. Then there's creating a profile that isn't your real name and making a fitting story. It's just something I'd have to really think about too much to try for years to come.

And I'll say this again, sugaring does not have to break the bank. Many of these women are just tired of being treated like trash by men in their vanilla dating lives and in the sugar bowl. It may take some time, but if a woman thinks you're cute, respectful, and will follow through with your promises...she'll help you out. I can 1000% attest to that.
That is good to know. I am still sure I am the idiot that will go broke though.

In fact, I had one SB tell me that one guy asked her to 'have sex WITH a sleeping bag'.
@MikeH @Sudsy @Ken4fb
I am absolutely certain it was one of you. Explain yourselves.
 
When looking at the "well stocked pond" analogy, I guarantee you I am the fisherman that came with a long, sturdy fishing pole, 20lb test strength line, bait....but no fucking hooks.
To continue that analogy, you can make your own hooks from safety pins, chicken bones, whittled branches..... never say never, pal. :)
 
In fact, I had one SB tell me that one guy asked her to 'have sex WITH a sleeping bag'.
@MikeH @Sudsy @Ken4fb
I am absolutely certain it was one of you. Explain yourselves.
Definitely wasn't me.

I've had my Camp7 North Col since I was a teenager, it's been with me through camps on 3 continents, and it's still warmer, lighter, and more compact than almost anything on the market today.

No way I'm getting bodily fluids on it unnecessarily.
 
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Definitely wasn't me.

I've had my Camp7 North Col since I was a teenager, it's been with me through camps on 3 continents, and it's still warmer, lighter, and more compact than almost anything on the market today.

No way I'm getting bodily fluids on it unnecessarily.

now come to think of it … might have been me. I probably said “sleeping douchebag” and she misheard . I love to be waken up with a BJ.
 
now come to think of it … might have been me. I probably said “sleeping douchebag” and she misheard . I love to be waken up with a BJ.
I didn't include you because I'd have assumed you'd have her include the tent and campfire set for a massive outdoor-equipment orgy.
 
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@MikeH @Sudsy @Ken4fb
I am absolutely certain it was one of you. Explain yourselves.

I misread that first so that she said "in bed he was as much fun as having sex with a sleeping bag" and was like yeah that must have been me.

I am all for giving cute spinners money for having sex with me and I don't much care if they call themselves escorts, SBs or any other name.

And while I applaud guys treating girls with respect and kindness I cannot help thinking if you put so much effort in it surely it's easy to find girls who will be down without monthly payment.

So I guess that at this moment I stand firmly with the Team Escort. Mostly it's for the easiness, as @Requiemmorrow said you can just have fun, bust and then move on with your day.
 
Actually I am with Bigweld on this one:
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There is room for escorts (and the variety of services around this) and Sugar dating. I think we go through stages. You may find especially for the regulars on here who have their own regulars - over and above the sexual urges need, they also provide extended "emotional" support the full GFE experience by interacting outside of the appointment. I have encountered SB's that have been so transactional it may just be that they're escorts moonlighting as SB's.
 
And while I applaud guys treating girls with respect and kindness I cannot help thinking if you put so much effort in it surely it's easy to find girls who will be down without monthly payment.
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I actually agree with this wholeheartedly. My hometown is less than stellar for sugaring. And most of the SB offerings in my immediate area are clearly desperate single moms who can only meet on random Tuesday's and women you wouldn't want to sleep with, even if she paid you.

I have a robust vacation package as well as lengthy work trips, so it's not uncommon for me to have 2-4 weeks in any given area to play the field. I definitely use Tinder and sugar sites while traveling and working. However, with SA, I can start planting the seeds before I even leave, and when I arrive in any particular city, I already have dates lined up for the first couple of days.

Not to mention, living in a small town leads to gossip. After one date, all of her friends knew me as the 'guy from the sugar site'. Sure, I slept with a couple of her friends, but I'd rather my business be kept secret.