The Next US President is....

[Frenchy]

Or, just a suggestion, you might consider getting your country's mental health care in order or try to create a society where people could live meaningful lives. Yeah, the latter is probably just as good an idea as communism was.

The thing is when people talk about "gun control" nobody even knows what each other means with it.

I like guns. In a shooting range. You go there, you can try all the toys you want for an hour or two, get your fill of “I’m Rambo” testosterone fix and you go back to normal life. A bit like P4P sex in fact.

 

[warubuta]

Written at 13.29 on a thursday.

I dont agree with you but I respect the success you have had in life that allows you the autonomy to start drinking and jerking off when 80% of the working population are sat at a desk doing something their boss told them to do.

I dont agree with him either, especially the part about how he thinks how gun owners will follow simple rules and not do stupid shit with their guns. I went to a gun show in North Carolina once. Most people there looked like they were from the very shallow end of the gene pool. I wouldnt have wanted any of them to operate a kitchen appliance.

 

[Keihan]

Written at 13.29 on a thursday.

I dont agree with you but I respect the success you have had in life that allows you the autonomy to start drinking and jerking off when 80% of the working population are sat at a desk doing something their boss told them to do.

Dude, I wrote that at 6pm. Not saying that I work particularly hard but I do consider that my own private time. Now it's past 10am, which means vodka sodas and porn.

 

[Durg50]

Dude, I wrote that at 6pm. Not saying that I work particularly hard but I do consider that my own private time. Now it's past 10am, which means vodka sodas and porn.

Ah, you’re in a different time zone i guess

 

[Keihan]

I dont agree with him either, especially the part about how he thinks how gun owners will follow simple rules and not do stupid shit with their guns. I went to a gun show in North Carolina once. Most people there looked like they were from the very shallow end of the gene pool. I wouldnt have wanted any of them to operate a kitchen appliance.

I'm not saying that there aren't supreme fucking idiots and inbred moron rednecks in this country with full access to firearms in lax states, and to be honest I wouldn't want to be near them, either. I traveled through the deep south extensively. I've seen these trailer park subhumans who actually fuck their sisters and cousins (and in one case his mom) and most of them shouldn't have anything more dangerous than a spoon. But assuming they haven't committed a crime, is them being stupid and shithole poor and retarded grounds for depriving them of constitutional rights? And because such neanderthals exist, is that grounds to deny the rest of the law-abiding, competent citizens their constitutional rights? Because that line of thinking truly borders on the practices of dictatorships that have murdered more civilians than all the privately owned firearms in history: "You're too fucking stupid to be allowed to live free, so we're going to make your life decisions for you."

The premise of your argument is that because a small, sub-section of the population MAY be dumb and irresponsible we should deny the ENTIRE population of responsible people their rights under federal law and the guidelines this country was founded on? Just because that will make us "safe"?

Sorry, but America exists to ensure that sort of authoritarian extremism never happens in the free world.

I challenge you to apply that same logic to cars. Or liquor. Or both. How many 16yo punkass kids, at least once, drove over the speed limit on the freeway? Ran a stop sign? Maybe raced a friend on a lonely country road? Better yet, how many ever drove drunk? Better yet, how many times did YOU ever drive fast AND drunk? I know I did. I know all my friends did. And you do realize that in committing these CRIMES you and I endangered the lives of far more innocent citizens than any single lawful gun owner, ever?

If you feel so strongly that guns need to be banned to save lives, why aren't you out campaigning for bans on cars and alcohol and lifetime sentences for driving under the influence? Because if your singular goal is to save lives, banning cars and booze would save HUNDREDS of more lives per year, per capita, per everything, than banning firearms.

That's because your arguments are based solely in emotion. Not logic. Not fact. Not statistic. Not reality. I'm not saying that's wrong, because humans are emotional beings and instinctively let their "feelings" get the better of them. But that's precisely why it's 1) a waste of time arguing about this nonsense online, 2) always going to end in the NRA's favor and 3) a better idea to focus on the pursuit of life, liberty, and the pursuit of sexual gratification that this forum was meant for.

 

[Keihan]

At least a ban on automatic weapons would be a good start. Not sure the 2nd amendment specifically says people can own them. But what do I know? just discovered recently that airports already existed back then

Automatic weapons have been banned for decades in the U.S., and in the few states that allow them, you're required to undergo a federal background investigation so intrusive that they basically examine your asshole. It's called a Class III license and there are so many restrictions on the actual automatic firearm that it's not even worthwhile pursuing. The only places that actually have genuine "automatic" firearms are tourist traps in Vegas that charge you $100 to blast $5 of ammo through a neutered AK-47 variant in a crappy little range.

 

[Keihan]

But if I have to live in a world full of violent people, I would like to take away their guns.

Then you need say no more. You made your position clear. For your own personal need for a sense of safety and security, you want all those around you completely disarmed and stripped of their rights to own firearms. I'm not judging, but if that's what you desire then you need to face reality. It's never going to happen in America, and probably not in any western nation in the world. If you're in Japan then you're close to it, but you'd better start a campaign to strip all those boar and deer hunters in the remote countryside of their rifle licenses and confiscate the long guns they keep locked up at their clubhouses.

And then when another psychopath waltzes into another elementary school with a couple of kitchen knives and murders a dozen kids, like back in Ikeda City in Osaka when I was there, maybe start a political campaign to ban all knives, forks, sporks, sharp chopsticks and any scary culinary objects in Japan.

 

[TheScientist]

Nitpick and be fussy if you want.

seems @Keihan Chikan already pointed out the Title III issue. But otherwise, yes, I'll happpily stick to the facts. One more fact, its far easier to get a full automatic rifle in France than the US. Much cheaper too! It will be some kind of AK variant come out of factories in FSU countries and trucked through the secondary market in Belgium but can be had in Paris for about 300 euros (cheaper for a used one.

But automatic vs. semi-automatic is only relavant to the current state of the debate because the gun lobby has been so successful.

Again see the post a few above this on Title III.

 

[warubuta]

You’re an OK guy Keihan, in spite of your misguided and dangerous views on gun laws. And for the record, I was truly alarmed to hear that you used to carry a loaded, hair trigger pistola around in your trousers aimed at your frank and beans. Jesus Christ! I don’t care what you say about safety switches and whatnot, that is tempting fate! In the future please carry that bad boy on the backside with the barrel aimed downward between your butt cheeks. Then in the case of accidental discharge, all we have to deal with is a badly scorched bomb bay and a pair of blown out Wranglers.

 

[MossBoss]

So, what’s the latest on the battle to be the next President?

 

[Keihan]

You’re an OK guy Keihan, in spite of your misguided and dangerous views on gun laws. And for the record, I was truly alarmed to hear that you used to carry a loaded, hair trigger pistola around in your trousers aimed at your frank and beans. Jesus Christ! I don’t care what you say about safety switches and whatnot, that is tempting fate! In the future please carry that bad boy on the backside with the barrel aimed downward between your butt cheeks. Then in the case of accidental discharge, all we have to deal with is a badly scorched bomb bay and a pair of blown out Wranglers.

Well in spite of your misguided and dangerous views on gun laws, I have to like you because you've provided me with more intel on HE massages in Kanda than any other person on TAG.

And for the record, I haven't carried a firearm in that manner since 2002, and the only reason I did was that it was the easiest way to conceal a .38 snub, which was the only firearm I could afford at that time. Once I graduated and got a real job I upgraded to a Sig 9mm, which I carried OWB 3:30 (just behind my right hipbone) so even if the tooth fairy had pulled the trigger while it was holstered the round would've hit the ground just behind me (and hopefully ricocheted into a gun control activist).

I currently reside in a state which prohibits me from carrying a concealed firearm and, frankly, I spend so much of my average day either naked or intoxicated that it's probably better that way. The last time I was properly armed was three years ago when the federal government sent me west for some security screening nonsense protocols, and perhaps I'm just getting old but I found it rather uncomfortable to wear my old 9mm under my shirt all day long. All the guys around me required to carry off duty usually use fanny packs, like tired old men. Maybe it's just a different time. It's been quite a while since the days after 9/11, when the country was reeling and paranoid and everyone was armed and ready to drop the hammer on the first bearded person screaming "ALLAHU AKBAR!!"

That said, I consider myself a strict Constitutionalist and will always defer to the philosophies of one of the greatest minds the world has ever known, a Founding Father of our nation and an infamous sexual deviant hedonist. It was Benjamin Franklin who once declared:

"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."

 

[warubuta]

Well in spite of your misguided and dangerous views on gun laws, I have to like you because you've provided me with more intel on HE massages in Kanda than any other person on TAG.

And for the record, I haven't carried a firearm in that manner since 2002, and the only reason I did was that it was the easiest way to conceal a .38 snub, which was the only firearm I could afford at that time. Once I graduated and got a real job I upgraded to a Sig 9mm, which I carried OWB 3:30 (just behind my right hipbone) so even if the tooth fairy had pulled the trigger while it was holstered the round would've hit the ground just behind me (and hopefully ricocheted into a gun control activist).

I currently reside in a state which prohibits me from carrying a concealed firearm and, frankly, I spend so much of my average day either naked or intoxicated that it's probably better that way. The last time I was properly armed was three years ago when the federal government sent me west for some security screening nonsense protocols, and perhaps I'm just getting old but I found it rather uncomfortable to wear my old 9mm under my shirt all day long. All the guys around me required to carry off duty usually use fanny packs, like tired old men. Maybe it's just a different time. It's been quite a while since the days after 9/11, when the country was reeling and paranoid and everyone was armed and ready to drop the hammer on the first bearded person screaming "ALLAHU AKBAR!!"

That said, I consider myself a strict Constitutionalist and will always defer to the philosophies of one of the greatest minds the world has ever known, a Founding Father of our nation and an infamous sexual deviant hedonist. It was Benjamin Franklin who once declared:

"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."

Right. Just keep your safety on that pistola firmly in locked position.

 

[Sudsy]

People can go back-and-forth about gun control in the United States as much as they want to, guns are not the problem. Problem is that the United States has an underclass that is made up of the descendants of slaves and indentured labor (basically slaves by a more palatable name). This includes blacks, hispanics, whites, and virtually any other ethnic group you could think of to some degree.

What these groups all have in common in modern day is that regardless of race they are dirt poor, uneducated, and have little to nothing to their name. They have nothing to lose, most of the men have been to prison and aren’t afraid of it, and they have a very high birth rate - that lack of education extends to a lack of use of birth control.

The solution to the problem in the United States is, unfortunately, one that is unpalatable to both left and right. All they have to do is make birth control - including abortion - freely available at no cost to low income demographics, and offer a reduced prison sentence to any male convict willing to submit to a vasectomy. The levels of crime and violence will be markedly reduced within one generation, both by dint of a reduced number living in poverty and a reduced number of children raised in single parent households.

Naturally, the left will accuse anybody in favour of this idea of ethnic cleansing, and the right will take the religious anti-abortion stance.

 

[warubuta]

People can go back-and-forth about gun control in the United States as much as they want to, guns are not the problem. Problem is that the United States has an underclass that is made up of the descendants of slaves and indentured labor (basically slaves by a more palatable name). This includes blacks, hispanics, whites, and virtually any other ethnic group you could think of to some degree.

What these groups all have in common in modern day is that regardless of race they are dirt poor, uneducated, and have little to nothing to their name. They have nothing to lose, most of the men have been to prison and aren’t afraid of it, and they have a very high birth rate - that lack of education extends to a lack of use of birth control.

The solution to the problem in the United States is, unfortunately, one that is unpalatable to both left and right. All they have to do is make birth control - including abortion - freely available at no cost to low income demographics, and offer a reduced prison sentence to any male convict willing to submit to a vasectomy. The levels of crime and violence will be markedly reduced within one generation, both by dint of a reduced number living in poverty and a reduced number of children raised in single parent households.

Naturally, the left will accuse anybody in favour of this idea of ethnic cleansing, and the right will take the religious anti-abortion stance.

Good practical ideas. The problem is that you would be steriliziing brown and black people at a much higher rate than white people. Hillbilly Elegy aside, the fact is that the truly problematic crime and poverty lies there. Blacks and Hispanics enter the criminal justice system at a rate of 5x white folks. It would undeniably be ethnic cleansing. Now we know why you call yourself Sudsy.

 

[Keihan]

The solution to the problem in the United States is, unfortunately, one that is unpalatable to both left and right. All they have to do is make birth control - including abortion - freely available at no cost to low income demographics, and offer a reduced prison sentence to any male convict willing to submit to a vasectomy. The levels of crime and violence will be markedly reduced within one generation, both by dint of a reduced number living in poverty and a reduced number of children raised in single parent households.

Naturally, the left will accuse anybody in favour of this idea of ethnic cleansing, and the right will take the religious anti-abortion stance.

This has been proposed before and, while it makes perfect sense, it causes instant outrage from precisely the groups you named. The left screams about racist eugenics, the religious right cries murder.

But pretending for a second that such a policy could be instituted, the other vital component of this is not to just offer free abortions to those in lower socio-economic demographics but to remove the generous welfare incentive that these women have for pumping out more babies. For these women, most of whom don't work and the welfare check is their primary source of income, each baby born increases the size of that check. But again, every time we try any form of comprehensive welfare reform, the liberal left screams racism, the ACLU will jump in and call it a crime against humanity and while the conservatives will love it they'll quickly change their tune when the riots start and buildings start burning.

But I loves me a good riot. Hole up in my condo with cases of beer, vodka, bottled water and my AR-15 with a few dozen loaded 30-rounds mags and a couple thousand rounds of ammo. Just like that poor Korean grocery store owner who sat on his roof throughout the entire L.A. riots with his rifle pointed at the black rioters...and his store was the only one that didn't get destroyed. And the liberals tried to call him a racist extremist.

 

[MikeH]

And the liberals tried to call him a racist extremist.

Which is pretty unfair when you think he would have happily put holes to anyone trying to Molotov cocktail his shop regardless of the skin colour of the perp.

 

[Sudsy]

The left screams about racist eugenics, the religious right cries murder.

Good practical ideas. The problem is that you would be steriliziing brown and black people at a much higher rate than white people.

Unfortunately, the American ruling class spent hundreds of years creating a disadvantaged underclass - and yes, it’s more predominantly black. It’s always been in the interests of the overclass to incite racial fear and conflict to keep the middle class in line.

This is the least violent method that can effectively dismantle that system.

 

[warubuta]

People can go back-and-forth about gun control in the United States as much as they want to, guns are not the problem. Problem is that the United States has an underclass that is made up of the descendants of slaves and indentured labor (basically slaves by a more palatable name). This includes blacks, hispanics, whites, and virtually any other ethnic group you could think of to some degree.

What these groups all have in common in modern day is that regardless of race they are dirt poor, uneducated, and have little to nothing to their name. They have nothing to lose, most of the men have been to prison and aren’t afraid of it, and they have a very high birth rate - that lack of education extends to a lack of use of birth control.

The solution to the problem in the United States is, unfortunately, one that is unpalatable to both left and right. All they have to do is make birth control - including abortion - freely available at no cost to low income demographics, and offer a reduced prison sentence to any male convict willing to submit to a vasectomy. The levels of crime and violence will be markedly reduced within one generation, both by dint of a reduced number living in poverty and a reduced number of children raised in single parent households.

Naturally, the left will accuse anybody in favour of this idea of ethnic cleansing, and the right will take the religious anti-abortion stance.

Reading this again, I really like it. I will say that I am sceptical of your assertion that the decendants of white indentured servants are a component of the underclass you speak of. If it is a fact that these decendants are incarcerated at a higher rate than the decendants those who came over as free men, it should be well documented. Do you have a source?

 

[Sudsy]

Reading this again, I really like it. I will say that I am sceptical of your assertion that the decendants of white indentured servants are a component of the underclass you speak of. If it is a fact that these decendants are incarcerated at a higher rate than the decendants those who came over as free men, it should be well documented. Do you have a source?

Not that I can dig up here (research on mobile sucks), but it is well documented that the Caucasian prison populations, like those of all other ethnic groups, are largely from impoverished backgrounds and significantly higher numbers are of Irish descent, the Irish being the largest source ethnicity of the indentured labour prevalent in the early days of the United States.

 

[Keihan]

Not that I can dig up here (research on mobile sucks), but it is well documented that the Caucasian prison populations, like those of all other ethnic groups, are largely from impoverished backgrounds and significantly higher numbers are of Irish descent, the Irish being the largest source ethnicity of the indentured labour prevalent in the early days of the United States.

There are probably several reasons for that. One is that most Americans who identify themselves as "Irish Americans" are usually not even half Irish, and those with partial Irish ancestry are probably the largest pseudo-ethnic group in America. And particularly on the East Coast, there are many notable communities (like South Boston) that are definitely part of the American underclass, where the majority of residents identify themselves as Irish and are quite proud of the fact that their city has one of the highest crime rates in America. But again, this is a largely American cultural quirk and when living abroad I figured out that actual Irish aren't big fans of it. I remember one day an American male coworker meeting a new Irish female coworker for the first time...

Friend: Oh wow! You're from Ireland? I'm Irish, too!

Girl: Oh, are you now?

Friend: Yeah, my mom's family name was ______. I'm Irish!!

Girl: So were you born in Ireland?

Friend: Uhhh...no.

Girl: So you've been to Ireland?

Friend: No, not yet.

Girl: THEN YOU'RE NOT FOOKIN' IRISH!!


It was actually quite sad because I think she hurt his feelings. In any event, he never talked about anything Irish again while at work.

 

[Keihan]

Right. Just keep your safety on that pistola firmly in locked position.

You'll love this: I refuse to own any pistol with a safety. It's a tactical/training decision. There's a reason most law enforcement agencies now go with the Glock, which has never and likely will never incorporate a safety on its pistols.

 

[warubuta]

You'll love this: I refuse to own any pistol with a safety. It's a tactical/training decision. There's a reason most law enforcement agencies now go with the Glock, which has never and likely will never incorporate a safety on its pistols.

OK by me. As long as you keep that pistola empty like Andy made Barney Fife do. You can have one bullet. But you have to keep it in your shirt pocket.

 

[Keihan]

OK by me. As long as you keep that pistola empty like Andy made Barney Fife do. You can have one bullet. But you have to keep it in your shirt pocket.

Then you'll love this even more: When I do carry a firearm, I do so with a full magazine and a round in the chamber. Just like all LEOs are trained to do. And a spare loaded magazine on my left side behind my iPhone.

If you ever saw how we trained in CCW class, you'd probably shit.

 

[TheScientist]

Eugenics always works out fine, right?

Also the Rooftop Koreans is an especially underreported bit of history

 

[MikeH]

Also the Rooftop Koreans is an especially underreported bit of history

Every small business taking their security seriously should invest in some Rooftop Koreans.