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Frenchy said:
About to watch it at lunch time , could not do it live
No spoiler please!
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I didn't watch it...........was hoping for some feedback from a real human being
 
just4fun said:
Anyone watch the debate today?
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The fly stole the show. https://www.sfgate.com/politics/article/Fly-Mike-Pence-head-debate-Kamala-Harris-15629835.php

Norman Bates: They're probably watching me. Well, let them. Let them see what kind of a person I am. I'm not even going to swat that fly. I hope they are watching ... they'll see. They'll see and they'll know, and they'll say, "Why, she wouldn't even harm a fly ..."

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What is really infuriating in those debates is that they rarely answer the question asked (on both sides). Its all about making their own points and discrediting the other guy.
Not to brag, but in France a journalist worth his/her salt would interrupt and refocus on the question

Having said that, so far, its at least a debate where they respect each other’s alloted time and don’t interrupt all the time. Refreshing
 
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Pence: "Will you stack the court if the nomination goes through? ...That's what they do, when they lose, they change the rules."

Merrick Garland: "Hold my beer!"
 
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Sudsy said:
Assuming he retains his mental faculties, I'd like to see Mattis make a run for it.
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Around my social circles, Gen. Mattis is revered as a living god. His (and Gen. Kelly's) split with Trump, followed by Trump making all sorts of ridiculous remarks about him ("He's an overrated general") was basically where I genuinely gave up hope on this admin being successful. If Mattis were to run, I'd go crawling back to the RNC begging for a titled position on the national campaign. I'd volunteer on his security detail if they'd let me. Shit, I'd be his fucking fluffer if that got me on the team and a chance to hang out with him.

That said, in my experience, military leader types don't do particularly well in politics. It's been a long time since Ike, and things have changed. I've operated on large campaigns, coordinating directly with a number of retired 1-stars and one 2-star who got titled positions by virtue of their rank and they generally don't last long. I think it's the transition from an environment of structure and order and discipline into the political shitshow where nothing is straight or honest or ever according to plan. I know they're trained to operate in fluid combat situations but there's probably a sort of honesty and logic in actual combat that doesn't exist in politics.

However, Mattis' biggest challenge would be how the pussy ass, dickless snowflake wing of the Democratic Party would howl and protest once his infamous list of quotes, called "Mattisisms" around here, came out in the nightly news. I can already see CNN and MSNBC trying to demonize him as some sort of deranged war-monger. Among my absolute favorites:

1) "You go into Afghanistan, you got guys who slap women around for five years because they didn't wear a veil. You know, guys like that ain't got no manhood left, anyway. So it's a hell of a lot of fun to shoot them...it's quite fun to fight them, you know? It's a hell of a hoot. It's fun to shoot some people. I'll be right up there with you. I like brawling."

2) "There are some assholes in the world that just need to be shot."

3) My absolute favorite quote of all time, said to a group of Iraqi leaders after our invasion: "I come in peace. I didn't bring any artillery. But I'm pleading with you, with tears in my eyes: If you fuck with me, I'll kill you all."

A friend of mine was dating one of the agents on his security detail when he was appointed SECDEF, and she said those boys fucking love him. Then again, I've heard from a retired Secret Service head I know that the agents on Trump's detail say they exact same thing. Go figure.
 
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So it looks like now the thread is about the « next next » president in fact...

Re. Pence, I will probably surprise a few members here, but thought he did a relatively decent job defending the lies, cover-ups and overall ineptitude of his boss.
 
Majestyk said:
The fly stole the show. https://www.sfgate.com/politics/article/Fly-Mike-Pence-head-debate-Kamala-Harris-15629835.php

Norman Bates: They're probably watching me. Well, let them. Let them see what kind of a person I am. I'm not even going to swat that fly. I hope they are watching ... they'll see. They'll see and they'll know, and they'll say, "Why, she wouldn't even harm a fly ..."

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Although I watched the debate on CNNj somehow I missed the fly, which turned out to be a highlight. Guess I wasn't really paying attention by that point.
 
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Sad, very sad that the second presidential debate has been cancelled.

I was thinking about making it required viewing for my daughter , so that she can learn how to properly and professionally engage with people when she starts a new job.

Also being fair and respectful with friends and other important relationships in life, knowing how to make a rational argument, and compromise when needed. And above all being sincere.
 
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Frenchy said:
Re. Pence, I will probably surprise a few members here, but thought he did a relatively decent job defending the lies, cover-ups and overall ineptitude of his boss.
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One of the saddest things I've ever had to watch in politics is Mike Pence having to get up on stage and praise Donald Trump as some sort of wonderful human being and role model for Americans. It was bad enough when Pence accepted the VP slot in 2016 and (we all thought) basically ended his political career, but having to watch him run cover for Trump for four years has been worse. I know I've said it before but I worked with Pence very briefly over a decade ago, back when he was just another random Congressman about to resign and I was a new Hill staffer, and he is a genuinely nice, decent person. On one of my first days in DC, while outside the Capitol lost and wandering around, Pence actually walked me into the building so I'd get in OK and guided me to the correct office to get my credentials. Most reps wouldn't do that for just some lowly staffer.

But all in all, I'd say he's had a pretty good run. Longtime congressman, successful two-term governor of Indiana and went out with a bang as VP to the biggest history-making asshole to ever sit in the Oval Office. Most of us settle for far less. I'd have been happy just to get a ride in Air Force One.
 
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Keihan said:
One of the saddest things I've ever had to watch in politics is Mike Pence having to get up on stage and praise Donald Trump as some sort of wonderful human being and role model for Americans.
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Why doesn't anyone bring up that Mike Pence, an evangelical, has partnered with a $100,000 prostitute lover. I mean, I'm no one to judge, but Pence is all about facts and shit...
 
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Why doesn't anyone bring up that Mike Pence, an evangelical, has partnered with a $100,000 prostitute lover. I mean, I'm no one to judge, but Pence is all about facts and shit...
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Links? Factchecks confirmation?
 
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Frenchy said:
Apparently it was his Secret Service agent who solicited an ... ahem.... escort.
those guys really have no morality . im shocked. :D

https://www.google.co.jp/amp/s/amp....ce-secret-service-agent-charged-solicitation/
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Secret Service agents are infamous for their off-duty activities. There's a fratboy-type subculture in that agency, a boys-only club on steroids where they party HARD once they're off the clock. If you remember during the Obama years, his head agent was arrested by Capitol Police after going to a retirement party, getting fucking loaded and then driving back to the capitol district where he bulldozed through an active crime scene (bomb scare investigation) and slammed his car into an obstacle. Then there was that incident in Cartagena (which was largely covered up) where the hotel staff responded to some sort of complaint call and found a group of agents all sprawled out on the floor of the room and hallway after apparently partying like fucking Charlie Sheen with booze, cocaine and a whole tribe of escorts. A close female friend of mine (extremely attractive) was propositioned by three off-duty agents and they made it very clear--they wanted to PARTY, GET DRUNK and FUCK. And I've met agents on Trump's detail...and they haven't changed a bit. If you're a young, single guy then the SS is the place to be.

What surprises me is how these guys get into the agency. It's extremely difficult and competitive. The written exams aren't too difficult if you paid attention in math class and the fitness test isn't too bad, either, but the background and polygraph are fucking insane, and they also require something they call "superior academic achievement" scores, where you're required to have had a minimum 3.6 GPA in college. Then you have to pass a very unpleasant interview process. And that's just to get into the agency and go chase currency counterfeiters and money launderers. Getting on to the executive protection detail is a whole different level. Of course, this was years ago and standards might've been lowered, which might account for some of the behavior over the past few years.

If I were 27 again I might apply. I always thought you had to be tall, white and handsome to be an SS agent but I've seen a few runty Asians and women on the Obama detail so I might've had a shot.
 
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Keihan said:
Secret Service agents are infamous for their off-duty activities. There's a fratboy-type subculture in that agency, a boys-only club on steroids where they party HARD once they're off the clock. If you remember during the Obama years, his head agent was arrested by Capitol Police after going to a retirement party, getting fucking loaded and then driving back to the capitol district where he bulldozed through an active crime scene (bomb scare investigation) and slammed his car into an obstacle. Then there was that incident in Cartagena (which was largely covered up) where the hotel staff responded to some sort of complaint call and found a group of agents all sprawled out on the floor of the room and hallway after apparently partying like fucking Charlie Sheen with booze, cocaine and a whole tribe of escorts. A close female friend of mine (extremely attractive) was propositioned by three off-duty agents and they made it very clear--they wanted to PARTY, GET DRUNK and FUCK. And I've met agents on Trump's detail...and they haven't changed a bit. If you're a young, single guy then the SS is the place to be.

What surprises me is how these guys get into the agency. It's extremely difficult and competitive. The written exams aren't too difficult if you paid attention in math class and the fitness test isn't too bad, either, but the background and polygraph are fucking insane, and they also require something they call "superior academic achievement" scores, where you're required to have had a minimum 3.6 GPA in college. Then you have to pass a very unpleasant interview process. And that's just to get into the agency and go chase currency counterfeiters and money launderers. Getting on to the executive protection detail is a whole different level. Of course, this was years ago and standards might've been lowered, which might account for some of the behavior over the past few years.

If I were 27 again I might apply. I always thought you had to be tall, white and handsome to be an SS agent but I've seen a few runty Asians and women on the Obama detail so I might've had a shot.
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What's the pay like?
 
Keihan said:
Secret Service agents are infamous for their off-duty activities. There's a fratboy-type subculture in that agency, a boys-only club on steroids where they party HARD once they're off the clock. If you remember during the Obama years, his head agent was arrested by Capitol Police after going to a retirement party, getting fucking loaded and then driving back to the capitol district where he bulldozed through an active crime scene (bomb scare investigation) and slammed his car into an obstacle. Then there was that incident in Cartagena (which was largely covered up) where the hotel staff responded to some sort of complaint call and found a group of agents all sprawled out on the floor of the room and hallway after apparently partying like fucking Charlie Sheen with booze, cocaine and a whole tribe of escorts. A close female friend of mine (extremely attractive) was propositioned by three off-duty agents and they made it very clear--they wanted to PARTY, GET DRUNK and FUCK. And I've met agents on Trump's detail...and they haven't changed a bit. If you're a young, single guy then the SS is the place to be.

What surprises me is how these guys get into the agency. It's extremely difficult and competitive. The written exams aren't too difficult if you paid attention in math class and the fitness test isn't too bad, either, but the background and polygraph are fucking insane, and they also require something they call "superior academic achievement" scores, where you're required to have had a minimum 3.6 GPA in college. Then you have to pass a very unpleasant interview process. And that's just to get into the agency and go chase currency counterfeiters and money launderers. Getting on to the executive protection detail is a whole different level. Of course, this was years ago and standards might've been lowered, which might account for some of the behavior over the past few years.

If I were 27 again I might apply. I always thought you had to be tall, white and handsome to be an SS agent but I've seen a few runty Asians and women on the Obama detail so I might've had a shot.
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interesting. I thought they were only doing VIP protection. But apparently you mention they start with other duties (chasing counterfeiters etc). What’s the missions-split with the FBI and local police departments then?
 
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