What happened to all the African touts?

[Sudsy]

I am not at all sure I would have been able to stop myself punching in the face leading to all kinds of trouble.

Yep - you get into it with one of them, you're into it with all of them. I've seen a couple of times where they rat-packed someone, it wasn't at all a pretty scene.

 

[User#8628]

Yep - you get into it with one of them, you're into it with all of them. I've seen a couple of times where they rat-packed someone, it wasn't at all a pretty scene.

Jesus! How about for the olympic games, instead of closing sex services and removing porn magazines from the shelves, they round up these guys?
I really dont understand why they let them do their job and at the same time warn tourists not to go with them on the speakers. That way they only point out to tourists that their country is flawed, plus if they want to "tolerate" them because the mafia backs them up or something, then why the speakers?

 

[Sudsy]

I really dont understand why they let them do their job and at the same time warn tourists not to go with them on the speakers.

Because they haven't got solid evidence of them doing anything distinctly criminal. The police have a lot of restrictions on investigative powers because of the old kinpeitai days.

Well, that or they just bribe the cops really well.

 

[User#8628]

Because they haven't got solid evidence of them doing anything distinctly criminal. The police have a lot of restrictions on investigative powers because of the old kinpeitai days.

Well, that or they just bribe the cops really well.

But they are literally getting customers on the street, and they are harassing people and what not.
Plus are all of them who work the street on solid (fake) marriage visas and not illegals?

I've talked to some Japanese catch people before and they say its quite common to be arrested sooner or later and that even though they pay off the mafia, every day at least one guy gets arrested (mostly the newer, inexperienced guys though).
They mostly go back after a fine or a few days of jail though so its not like it ever really dries up, especially not with the actual Japanese ones.
But you'd think that it would be easier to get rid of the foreigners, they can only have so manh strikes on their name. Someone even told me that even if they get citizenship, if they get arrested and charged like 4 times it can be pulled or something.

 

[Sudsy]

But you'd think that it would be easier to get rid of the foreigners, they can only have so manh strikes on their name. Someone even told me that even if they get citizenship, if they get arrested and charged like 4 times it can be pulled or something.

If they're on a spouse visa, for them to be deported, they need to be sentenced to a year or more in prison, or they need to get a drug conviction - and even then a good immigration lawyer can sometimes get the deportation quashed on the basis of the constitutional right for families to reside together. This is why they altered the immigration law to allow them to simply revoke spouse visas if they appear to be false marriages.

As to citizenship, once you've got it, you've got it. The only reasons it can be revoked is if you are found to have submitted a fraudulent application for naturalisation, or to have wilfully maintained a second citizenship after naturalising. Being charged multiple times is more likely to result in you being investigated very thoroughly, though, which would turn up if either of those cases was true.

Oddly, it's easier to be naturalised than it is to get permanent residency.

 

[User#8628]

If they're on a spouse visa, for them to be deported, they need to be sentenced to a year or more in prison, or they need to get a drug conviction - and even then a good immigration lawyer can sometimes get the deportation quashed on the basis of the constitutional right for families to reside together. This is why they altered the immigration law to allow them to simply revoke spouse visas if they appear to be false marriages.

As to citizenship, once you've got it, you've got it. The only reasons it can be revoked is if you are found to have submitted a fraudulent application for naturalisation, or to have wilfully maintained a second citizenship after naturalising. Being charged multiple times is more likely to result in you being investigated very thoroughly, though, which would turn up if either of those cases was true.

Oddly, it's easier to be naturalised than it is to get permanent residency.

Well, a drug conviction wouldn't be far fetched for the ones that work in Roppongi, i'd guess. But of course they'd make it hard to prove.

Does the family law work for married couples? I thought that was if they had children together.

Also for citizenship you need fluent Japanese and for PR you dont, right? So i'd think PR is more easy.
The Nigerians seem to speak Japanese but i doubt they can write it.

 

[Sudsy]

Well, a drug conviction wouldn't be far fetched for the ones that work in Roppongi, i'd guess. But of course they'd make it hard to prove.

Does the family law work for married couples? I thought that was if they had children together.

Also for citizenship you need fluent Japanese and for PR you dont, right? So i'd think PR is more easy.
The Nigerians seem to speak Japanese but i doubt they can write it.

It's not "the family law", it's the constitution, specifically Article 24 IIRC. Married couples are indeed considered a "family", though children would make for a stronger case.

FWIW, family law is the section of the Japanese legal system pertaining to to family issues - marriage/divorce, parental rights, and the like.

And you don't need fluency to naturalise, you just need passable Japanese - and to be honest, if you're here long enough to get PR, you would likely have that level of Japanese anyhow. It's only easier to get PR if you're on the highly skilled professional visa or you're married to a Japanese national... or you actively avoid learning Japanese.

 

[jhingy567]

As to citizenship, once you've got it, you've got it.

Yeah, would be a real stab in the back for a country to revoke a citizenship which was legitimately obtained. I don't even think murderers get their citizenships revoked.
Australia started to recently do it for people participating in "terrorism", if it doesn't render them stateless - which I find quite amusing.

Anyway, I posted earlier that I wondered why police don't do blitzes on these people. It can't take that much manpower to have roving foot patrols arrest and detain anyone suspected of solicitation.
Is it bribery?
Maybe we need media outlets like NYT to report about these people potentially 'ruining the olympics' for something to happen.

 

[Sudsy]

anyone suspected of solicitation.

Problem being that solicitation is covered by a municipal bylaw, and is not in and of itself a criminal offence.

 

[User#8628]

Yeah, would be a real stab in the back for a country to revoke a citizenship which was legitimately obtained. I don't even think murderers get their citizenships revoked.
Australia started to recently do it for people participating in "terrorism", if it doesn't render them stateless - which I find quite amusing.

Anyway, I posted earlier that I wondered why police don't do blitzes on these people. It can't take that much manpower to have roving foot patrols arrest and detain anyone suspected of solicitation.
Is it bribery?
Maybe we need media outlets like NYT to report about these people potentially 'ruining the olympics' for something to happen.

Yes, i think my country was also talking about taking the citizenships of terrorists, even terrorists who are not from another country, roots 100% my homecountry's. Which is weird because they have never been a citizen somewhere else but i guess they embarrass the homeland too much.

Exactly, this is the thing that sounds weird to me. If i were to get a PR, and i go out streetwalking, would the police leave me alone? Why do those guys get away with it.
Really hope they get cleaned up instead of more of the discrete sex services disappearing for the olympics.

 

[User#8628]

Problem being that solicitation is covered by a municipal bylaw, and is not in and of itself a criminal offence.

Why do those speakers in kabuki cho say "soliciting customers on the street is prohibited by law" then?
And if they grab people's arms and follow them around, isn't it almost harassment?

 

[Lukes]

Anyway, I posted earlier that I wondered why police don't do blitzes on these people. It can't take that much manpower to have roving foot patrols arrest and detain anyone suspected of solicitation.
Is it bribery?
Maybe we need media outlets like NYT to report about these people potentially 'ruining the olympics' for something to happen.

Nothing like that gets done in Japan until someone gets kidnapped or killed and a major scandal breaks. Only then would you see cops appear in force to sweep the streets.

 

[Sudsy]

Why do those speakers in kabuki cho say "soliciting customers on the street is prohibited by law" then?
And if they grab people's arms and follow them around, isn't it almost harassment?

Prohibited by law doesn't mean criminal. A good example is traffic laws - parking next to a yellow curb is prohibited by law, but it's not criminal and you won't get arrested for it. The prohibition on soliciting is a Shinjuku-ku bylaw, punishable by a small fine.

The grabbing of arms is actually assault, and if the person being grabbed complains, the police can charge the person doing the grabbing.

 

[MikeH]

The grabbing of arms is actually assault, and if the person being grabbed complains, the police can charge the person doing the grabbing.

Would calling the cops result in you needing to hand over your ID too? Not really thrilled by the possibility of the rats getting my name and address somehow but other than that I would be happy to discuss their ways of doing business with a couple of Tokyo's finest next to me.

 

[Sudsy]

Would calling the cops result in you needing to hand over your ID too?

Bingo. And now you understand the problem with getting charges pressed.

 

[User#8628]

Bingo. And now you understand the problem with getting charges pressed.

Would calling the cops result in you needing to hand over your ID too? Not really thrilled by the possibility of the rats getting my name and address somehow but other than that I would be happy to discuss their ways of doing business with a couple of Tokyo's finest next to me.

Hm, the police has done random ID checks to me about 3 times or so, so they have my info written down already anyway.

I'm not so worried about the police having my info as the person who is pressing a charge. Its not about me getting in a fight but a guy grabbing me, worst they can list me as is "a complainer" or "person who hangs out in a bad neighborhood".

Has anyone had succes with complaining about harassment to the police or with calling a walking by officer over when they were getting bothered by the Nigerians?
Thing i would be most scared of is them or their "brothers" taking revenge later, like mentioned before. Not about the police turning against me.

And afaik, yes, at first you get a small fine being caught soliciting, but if you get arrested for the crime over and over you'll get short jail time as well later.

 

[Sudsy]

The problem is that once you press charges, the defendant's lawyer gets access to your information. Totally asinine, but that's the way it is...

 

[User#8628]

The problem is that once you press charges, the defendant's lawyer gets access to your information. Totally asinine, but that's the way it is...

Haha oops, that would indeed be a major problem in this case.

 

[MikeH]

Hm, the police has done random ID checks to me about 3 times or so, so they have my info written down already anyway.

Yeah, I didn't mean I mind the coppers having my ID. I actually drink semi-regularly with a group of them so no worries in that front.

Just don't want the touts and their buddies to know where I live and work.

 

[jhingy567]

Hm, the police has done random ID checks to me about 3 times or so, so they have my info written down already anyway.

Wow... I didn't think you looked that naughty.

 

[MikeH]

Wow... I didn't think you looked that naughty.

Hey, if I am a police officer and a gorgeous girl walks by the least I will do is get her contact info!

 

[Lukes]

Just don't want the touts and their buddies to know where I live and work.

That would indeed be a concern. But then again what are the odds of an altercation? Low I imagine. Provided they aren't Yakuza, you'll probably survive whatever it is. If worst comes to worst, just tell them your dick is too beautiful to die. You might be spared.

 

[jhingy567]

Hey, if I am a police officer and a gorgeous girl walks by the least I will do is get her contact info!

@User#8628, any J-cops showing up after-hours for a 'welfare check' ?

 

[MikeH]

Provided they aren't Yakuza

Well, who do you think they work in the end?

 

[Lukes]

Well, who do you think they work in the end?

They can't all work for Yaks, can they? Or maybe they do...