Would you BBFS?

[RightOn6975]

Whether you do it or not is not the issue. The issue is the motive of the person that is willing to ride your pole without a condom. There was a Japanese lady with HIV around Yokosuka trying to infect American military guys. Some women have told me that rubbers hurt there vaginas and they'd rather just do it raw. Others might be drunk and not give a damn. And others have rationalized that after having histerectomies that they can't get pregnant, thus no condom is necessary. Some even do sumata which is the same as nama for some when they have special techniques to let the tip slightly go in their vaginas. Their vaginal secretions certainly get on the dicks they are gliding on.

That seems to be a constant rumor around any military installation. So jaded female contracts something and they try to infect as many personnel as possible or try and tell the command that they are pregnant. I myself have ran into a few women in Japan that say the same thing that it hurts, I honestly blame Japanese condoms being not lubricated. I stick with Trojan as when I pull the damn thing out the package it seems to have some sort of oil based lubricant that doesn't go away after a few thrusts and actually lubes up better with the natural secretions then most condoms I have worn.

 

[BankaSakka]

It wasn't a rumor. The J police posted pictures of her all around a certain base.

 

[BankaSakka]

In Tobita ladies where using lidocaine cream on their raw vaginas.

 

[RightOn6975]

It wasn't a rumor. The J police posted pictures of her all around a certain base.

I don't doubt you, I guess what I meant to say was that everywhere I have gone it is almost always a case of a female trying to infect service members with either HIV, Slyph, or Herpes.

 

[BankaSakka]

I sometimes get this doubt that something has happened so I like to make it known that it did happen. In this country, soapland chics are expected I think to do it raw but that is their job. And they carry all of the known STDs including HIV. Saying that, I had a person attack me on another website because he never heard of such studies and thought that Japanese women were all tested. So I sent him a link to the study. Never heard from him again. I figure that if you play with fire long enough you will get burned. First hand experience so I say use a rubber for all sex acts including blow jobs and cunnilingus. I got some flavored dds for safely pleasing a woman with my tongue. That will prevent getting throat cancer.

 

[patty diaz]

It wasn't a rumor. The J police posted pictures of her all around a certain base.

Eww wtf i hope she got arrested

 

[BankaSakka]

Eww wtf i hope she got arrested

I hope so too!

 

[BankaSakka]

Does anyone know the law in Japan regarding purposely infecting someone with HIV?

 

[Ken1988]

The calender method is the reason i exist, so i would never use it.

Actually what Dr. Ogino found and proposed in the 1920s was the fertility calendar. He was known against it to be used as a contraceptive method.

 

[SugoiBoy]

This is just anecdotal, but one’s generation seems to play a role here at least among American punters. Several older hobbyists that I know like to go raw even with pros. They all happen to be baby boomers. None of them are based in Japan.

By contrast, as a member of Generation X, I grew up with the specter of HIV/AIDS. That made me more careful.

 

[User#8628]

This is just anecdotal, but one’s generation seems to play a role here at least among American punters. Several older hobbyists that I know like to go raw even with pros. They all happen to be baby boomers. None of them are based in Japan.

By contrast, as a member of Generation X, I grew up with the specter of AIDS/HIV. That made me more careful.

It may be interesting to see this develop since aids is already over his prime in the rich parts of the world and there may come a permanent cure someday, which may leave all std curable except harmless ones like herpes (seriously, why is there no permanent cure for herpes yet though?!)
I was born after aids prime, but during my childhood it always seemed horrible to me because its not curable and because of all the horror stories people would tell about aids in Africa.
Nowadays i think hiv is still something to be careful about (i do bloodtests like every 3 months (swap tests every month to check smaller diseases) and i'm all about protection) but it should be seem in perspective, for example that the chance at hiv is bigger from anal (also for heterosexuals) and non existant from oral (which nobody ever told me when i was a kid!).

 

[SugoiBoy]

It may be interesting to see this develop since aids is already over his prime in the rich parts of the world and there may come a permanent cure someday, which may leave all std curable except harmless ones like herpes (seriously, why is there no permanent cure for herpes yet though?!)
I was born after aids prime, but during my childhood it always seemed horrible to me because its not curable and because of all the horror stories people would tell about aids in Africa.
Nowadays i think hiv is still something to be careful about (i do bloodtests like every 3 months (swap tests every month to check smaller diseases) and i'm all about protection) but it should be seem in perspective, for example that the chance at hiv is bigger from anal (also for heterosexuals) and non existant from oral (which nobody ever told me when i was a kid!).

Well, I'm glad that you are taking precautions.

Somewhere I read that Millennials tend to take more chances with unprotected sex perhaps because, at least in the West, HIV is no longer the automatic death sentence that it once was.

Of course, it is hard to generalize about the behavior of any generation or any culture. At the end of the day, we are all individuals.

 

[MikeH]

non existant from oral (which nobody ever told me when i was a kid!).

They didn't know. It is pretty difficult to find a test group of couples where one is infected and that would be doing only oral sex for several years to make sure this is the case.

As far as I know it is even now not yet scientifically proven fact; just that most researchers believe it strongly. Still good enough for me to go down on anyone I like .

 

[Wwanderer]

Millennials tend to take more chances with unprotected sex perhaps because, at least in the West, HIV is no longer the automatic death sentence that it once was.

The other reason is that the self-sustaining heterosexual AIDS epidemic that was widely feared in the early days ever actually came to pass. This meant that nearly all infective partners one might encounter in heterosexual activities were either bisexuals or intravenous drug users and so were fairly small in number. In other words, the chance of contracting an HIV infection is the product of the probability of transmission with the probability that your partner is him/her-self already infected. Both numbers are pretty small, especially the latter...and it is *extremely* small in Japan.

-Ww

 

[Wwanderer]

They didn't know. It is pretty difficult to find a test group of couples where one is infected and that would be doing only oral sex for several years to make sure this is the case.

As far as I know it is even now not yet scientifically proven fact; just that most researchers believe it strongly. Still good enough for me to go down on anyone I like .

The primary evidence is not from data of that sort which indeed is virtually impossible to obtain, but rather from the fact that HIV "dies" (becomes inert) *very* quickly and *very* efficiently when it comes into contact with saliva and even more so gastric acids. It is quite plausible that transmission by unprotected oral sex has *never* occurred even once (though that cannot be proven of course) and almost certain that it is safer the protected vaginal sex (due to occasional condom breakage).

-Ww

 

[konbini guy]

here's the general rule:
if you're a straight male, you ain't ever gonna catch it
an unknowing straight female might get it from a guy who goes both ways, and this proves the first statement
if you're a straight male, you need to do unprotected intercourse many, many times with this straight infected female for you to catch it
and straight males don't do it many, many times with one woman, SW or hook-up
so that proves my first statement

conclusion: if you're a straight male, feel free to BBFS any woman you find hot and who's willing

 

[User#12791]

 

[dreams]

here's the general rule:
if you're a straight male, you ain't ever gonna catch it
an unknowing straight female might get it from a guy who goes both ways, and this proves the first statement
if you're a straight male, you need to do unprotected intercourse many, many times with this straight infected female for you to catch it
and straight males don't do it many, many times with one woman, SW or hook-up
so that proves my first statement

conclusion: if you're a straight male, feel free to BBFS any woman you find hot and who's willing

Not quite: I would not BBFS a junkie, nor would I do it in subsaharan Africa...
Elsewhere, in the west, with a known provider, probably yes...

 

[Soapysoap66]

here's the general rule:
if you're a straight male, you ain't ever gonna catch it
an unknowing straight female might get it from a guy who goes both ways, and this proves the first statement
if you're a straight male, you need to do unprotected intercourse many, many times with this straight infected female for you to catch it
and straight males don't do it many, many times with one woman, SW or hook-up
so that proves my first statement

conclusion: if you're a straight male, feel free to BBFS any woman you find hot and who's willing

Condom is mainly to protect against pregnancy as well as from all the other STDs that are a million times more common than HIV.
If you are going BBFS based on the logic of HIV only, you are doing it wrong. HIV is the least of my concerns.

 

[User#8628]

Not quite: I would not BBFS a junkie, nor would I do it in subsaharan Africa...
Elsewhere, in the west, with a known provider, probably yes...

Absolutely! Harddrugs users (who often have to do prostitution to finance the habits) and mongering in certain countries are probably your biggest risks if you are a straight monger.

Condom is mainly to protect against pregnancy as well as from all the other STDs that are a million times more common than HIV.
If you are going BBFS based on the logic of HIV only, you are doing it wrong. HIV is the least of my concerns.

HIV may be very unlikely to contract but its definitely the most scary thing you could get from sex so naturally its the thing that people are most scared of. Making a woman pregnant shouldn't be a big concern i think. If she is a sexworker she is likely on birthcontrol, and even if she gets pregnant there is almost no way to blame you for it and track you down if she does nama standard. If its your girlfriend, she could take birthcontrol, and hopefully you date someone you can trust and who doesn't want to get pregnant desperately without your permission. So the only cases that would need a condom is one night stand or girlfriend can't have birthcontrol (cant stand hormones or something like that).
As for other diseases, they are either curable or harmless. Nobody wants to get them, and i would be very shocked if i got one and it would be bad for me to have to take time off until its totally cured, but its not something that actually ruins your life.

 

[Exnocomment]

As for other diseases, they are either curable or harmless. Nobody wants to get them, and i would be very shocked if i got one and it would be bad for me to have to take time off until its totally cured, but its not something that actually ruins your life.

Another scary thing is the emergence of drug resistant strains of the most commonly encountered bacterial STIs:
http://www.who.int/mediacentre/news/releases/2016/antibiotics-sexual-infections/en/

 

[BankaSakka]

I'd say from experience that you should never have unprotected sex with people that you are not exclusive with and still that is not enough in this age and time. HPV and herpes certainly is in Japan. Lots of J females carry herpes and others have HPV. They get it from their parents, friends, and from hook ups. One can only imagine that a percentage of these women work in the sex business.

From blow jobs, oral sex, and penetrative sex, one should keep it covered! You can also get throat cancer. Throat cancer has to be one of the worst things to get besides women that get cervical cancer from HPV. Hep C is another disease passed on during sex and Hep C has been found to be present in the sex worker population along with syphilis and gonorrhea. Let's face it folks, safer sex is the best way to play! I might have played a bit loose, but I never got anything other than a warning from my immune system.

So while it is unlikely to acquire an STD, it certainly can be done. And Japan usually is where the resistant strains start. Many woman here are doing unprotected sex with many different men. The doctors don't test them properly and the women have no idea they have certain STDs as there are no signs. It could take HIV 10 to 20 years to progress to AIDS. Most with gonorrhea, chlamydia, Herpes, Hep C, don't even know they have it. And while I only know of one that agency that routinely requires STI testing, the other agencies lie about testing. Thus one could say that after a worker admits to not being tested since working for said agency(ies), I ban them. If they say they don't get their blood tested, same response.

I'd say that luck runs out and sooner or later, due to the lack of control of who is fucking who, who is tested and who is not, and other factors, it is unwise to have unprotected sex in Japan.

Straight man to lady boy---staight man to wife-----wife to wife's secret girlfriend---secret girlfriend to boyfriend---- boyfriend joins a gangbang--gangbang members of various sexual orientations--boyfriend meets sex worker shoots heroine (unknowingly)---Straight man/bisexual man infected---meets same sex worker---Sex worker gets infected and has unprotected sex with hundreds, thousands of men for various reasons. Infections skyrocket. Bad cycle or depiction, but female sex workers just fucking straight men that don't engage in risky business never get much more than a cold or the flu.

The problem is that people get infected because there is no way to control the players. Condoms can only protect so much but the best protection would be to eliminate crossover sex. Gays and bisexual men are the biggest threat to exposing others to HIV, HPV, and Herpes. Straight men pick up stuff from bar rats, coworkers, being cheap and trolling homeless areas, and sex tourism in 3rd world countries! The dangers are so great now that mongering of any type is actually suicide.

Morning warm up before I go out and enjoy the day!

I am now a celibate man. I vow never to be a playboy again.

 

[Wwanderer]

The dangers are so great now that mongering of any type is actually suicide.

With all due respect, imo your summary sentence above and much of the rest of your post is sheer fear-mongering, irrational paranoia and mindless panic in the face of a real and significant risk but one which can be and is dealt with on a routine basis by the world's sex workers and mongers. It is also a far smaller risk than many that all of us tolerate without a second thought in going about our daily lives.

Or maybe it is meant as a spoof of media and public health scare tactics? It is a bit hard to take it seriously as stated.

Morning warm up before I go out and enjoy the day!

I am now a celibate man. I vow never to be a playboy again.

If you are as fearful of sickness, injury and death as your second sentence implies, then you should NEVER do what you describe in the first sentence. You'd better stay *always* indoors in a secure and highly safe bunker/shelter of some sort to avoid exposure to all of the many bad things that *could* happen to you if you go outside and into the world.

But do be careful that you don't come down with a fatal case of boredom-induced depression from missing all of the wonderful things life offers in return for taking a few risks.

Valar morghulis.

-Ww

 

[Goshogawara]

To return to the original question: I did once. The lady told me afterwards that she had a hysterectomy, and somehow this resulted in a friendship lasting until now. I wouldn't do it again, but I don't regret it.

 

[BankaSakka]

Being promiscuous has its good points and negative points! But as the old saying goes, you can't promote fear until fear has been put into you! And there is more pain in pleasure than pleasure in pain.

I was speaking for myself. I will not be running to the next best escort. Sooner or later this mixing of secretions is going to lead to something that I don't want. Paying to be infected with a disease is not in my future. In fact what I was doing was purely as a result of being reckless with my health. The benefits of 2 hours of pussy don't measure up to the potential negatives that such activities bring.

You are one one side and maybe I was on your side at some point, but now I am on a different side and I am going to remain there. I don't see the point in how escorts nor escort agencies nor condoms can be trusted with your health. But one thing I know for sure is that if I keep the pecker out of a vagina, I will have almost zero chance of getting something that I either have to live woth temporarily or live with until I die.

There are so many other things that one can get from escorts that aren't even considered STDs, so for me I have reasoned from reading way more forums than this one to come to say, it is less wise to use sex as a recreation than just living clean! Clean living from here on out is for me. It is that I only was thinking of me and my health.

With your type of education, I would never challenge you in a duel. I might have gotten lucky but on the other hand, can you say that it is 100 percent safe to do P4P?