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split said:
I remember my first visit to China in 2009, just in time to make my exodus on the same day of Obama's inauguration - on the way to Tokyo first, and to China. I knew I was going to live for an unknown amount of time in China and was extremely curious to what the Far East was going to be like. On the 2nd day in China, I was given a personal tour around one of the wet markets of my soon to be home in a 3rd tier "small" Chinese city of 8M. I saw for the first time in my life livestock, both common and some unusual along fish of all types being butchered, minced, and mixed on the same tables right in front of my eyes, all in close proximity, and unrefrigerated or preserved with salt. I knew, at that moment without hesitation, that this was a disaster waiting to happen and it was beyond words. Combine that with the ability to walk into any pharmacy and purchase any antibiotic you desired without a prescription and you can just only imagine what would happen next. Honestly, I'm surprised it has taken this long to come to this.
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As far as stinky open food markets are concerned, the human race has only been cooling and wrapping food for a very short period of time.
The developing world - most of the world population - still relies mainly on open outdoor food markets. ​
We did pretty well without freon-based refrigeration, polystyrene and cling wrap for thousands of years. Now these great inventions are threatening the environment in ways we dont really understand and they could be major contributors to a relatively sudden (over the next 50 years or so) collapse of the environment. They could cause the human race to come to an abrupt end. There are also studies that indicate that the efforts we make to rid our food and environment of germs might be depriving our bodies of the opportunity to develop healthy immune systems. Over prescription of antibiotics exacerbates the problem. What you saw and smelled in China has been working well since the dawn of civilization. It just offended your first world sensitivities.
 
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Maybe it's been working well since the dawn of civilization, with preservatives like salt, nitrites, nitrates, phosphates vinegars, etc. But it seemed those things flew out the window. Maybe a closer look at peeling the skin of live animals near dead meats just to get "warm meat" because it's considered more tasty should be banned. Or instead of plastics being the culprit, might it also be these reasons possibly? We are talking viruses here, bacterial infections are a different ballpark. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.com/news/amp/science-environment-51496830
 
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Has anyone noticed a decrease in Korean tourists? Multiple U.S. air carriers have just announced they'll be decreasing or shutting down all flights to and from South Korea due to the outbreak. I don't imagine that's going to happen in Japan so that should make things interesting. Guess I'm avoiding the akasuri clubs next week.
 
Keihan Chikan said:
Has anyone noticed a decrease in Korean tourists? Multiple U.S. air carriers have just announced they'll be decreasing or shutting down all flights to and from South Korea due to the outbreak. I don't imagine that's going to happen in Japan so that should make things interesting. Guess I'm avoiding the akasuri clubs next week.
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Ladies I know in Philippines say the decline in Korean customers is already becoming evident, even before the travel restrictions there.
 
Keihan Chikan said:
Guess I'm avoiding the akasuri clubs next week.
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Wouldn't be too worried, most of the Koran cases are Christian cultists. Don't expect you'll find many of those working in a rub and tug.

Edit: Korean cases dammit. KOREAN.
 
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Wouldn't be too worried, most of the Koran cases are Christian cultists. Don't expect you'll find many of those working in a rub and tug.
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Probably not. But they may have contact with their family/ friends/ acquaintances that could be one of those cultists or know one. Koreans tend to associate with other Koreans just as any race tends to when they're living abroad.
 
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Frenchy said:
Koran cases are Christian cultists ? Damn this book never ceases to amaze me :)
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Abraham’s got a lot of ‘splainin’ to do.
 
Sounds like Korea is a fucking mess right now. Totally makes sense that there are fewer travellers from there these days.
Don't know exactly how things are for you guys on the ground in Japan, but stay safe everyone. From where I am, it sounds like Japan is a hotspot as well, but I don't know if it's just the news being sensationalist. The govt has advised against travelling to Japan though, which is interesting.
 
Has this affected anyone in regards to p4p yet? Things are just getting worse. My school is enforcing mandatory masks, and 4 people from my class have quit school. There are announcements in the trains and stations. Everyone says to avoid crowded areas and stay at home. It seems obvious that p4p should also be avoided, in that case. I wasn’t worried before, but things are escalating day by day.
Anyone stopped p4p/escorting? Or continuing despite?
 
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Juliet said:
Has this affected anyone in regards to p4p yet? Things are just getting worse. My school is enforcing mandatory masks, and 4 people from my class have quit school. There are announcements in the trains and stations. Everyone says to avoid crowded areas and stay at home. It seems obvious that p4p should also be avoided, in that case. I wasn’t worried before, but things are escalating day by day.
Anyone stopped p4p/escorting? Or continuing despite?
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I'm avoiding the regular haunts that I know have Chinese staff as I knew several of them went home for the Chinese holiday last month. I'm no spring chicken so I'm just being careful. My SB is travelling now and I'm thinking about what I'll do when she returns.
 
Juliet said:
Has this affected anyone in regards to p4p yet? Things are just getting worse. My school is enforcing mandatory masks, and 4 people from my class have quit school. There are announcements in the trains and stations. Everyone says to avoid crowded areas and stay at home. It seems obvious that p4p should also be avoided, in that case. I wasn’t worried before, but things are escalating day by day.
Anyone stopped p4p/escorting? Or continuing despite?
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I find it funny that they advice using masks but you can’t literally get any mask.... besides paying 10,000¥ or more for a box on amazon :banghead:

Hate to say this again, but people are taking this a bit too far with the fearmongering. Better hygiene, better education regarding hygiene would probably be a better point to start instead of spreading fear all around.
I don’t trust the media at the moment at all. They over-dramatize in general.... I continue as usual, wash my hands regularly with water and soap, practice proper coughing and sneezing etiquette (a lot of people here don’t seem to bother and cough or sneeze right into your face....)
 
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Juliet said:
Has this affected anyone in regards to p4p yet? Things are just getting worse. My school is enforcing mandatory masks, and 4 people from my class have quit school. There are announcements in the trains and stations. Everyone says to avoid crowded areas and stay at home. It seems obvious that p4p should also be avoided, in that case. I wasn’t worried before, but things are escalating day by day.
Anyone stopped p4p/escorting? Or continuing despite?
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If anything , I increased P4P activities.
Met Anna Maria last week and went to Pattaya for the long weekend :D
Im fine by the way, thanks
 
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I have been unconcerned this whole time, but lately things have escalated. Some schools have shut down. I know the media dramatizes and causes panic, but at the same time I don’t want to be unsafe and continue as usual if there is real cause to worry.
The mask thing is pretty infuriating. I got lots of dirty looks and snide comments from my classmates for being the only one not wearing one, even though they are sold out everywhere. My teachers said I can’t come to school unless I am wearing a mask. Every event is canceled.

But I guess most people on TAG would consider p4p (not just sexual contact, but meeting in busy places like Shinjuku, commuting on trains, etc) to be no issue? It just seems to contradict what everyone else is telling me. There is so much misinformation/ confusion everywhere :/
 
Personally I'm abstaining for a while, not because I'm afraid of the Big Bad Virus per-se, but due to my entirely personal circumstances I prefer to minimize risk. Potential risks include the (admittedly very theoretical) chance of being serviced by a shop or organisation which subsequently gets discovered as a covid-19 hotspot and the authorities zealously track down anyone who was in contact. I may revisit this policy as circumstances develop.

(Also I have a long-running cold which would rule me out at the best of times).
 
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As the virus spreads across the world, the number of reported cases by country has little to due with the actual rate of infection in that country and more to do with the quality and coverage of the testing. The other thing that is becoming clear is that there is a huge number of infected people who are not seeking medical attention. They are getting sick and getting better on their own. Some are going to the hospital. A very small percentage are dying. It is serious but it looks to many well informed and experienced medical professionals like it is just a very bad flu virus. Life goes on. Meanwhile CNN and the NYT are doing everything they can to sow fear and confusion because it attracts the attention of the vast majority of their readers who veiw all of this as entertainment. It sells ads. They are also attacking leadership in China, Korea and Japan for doing what they are saying is a bad job handling the virus. The revenue fomula for the global news oulets seems to be: problem x fear mongering = BIG SCARY PROBLEM + someone to blame = ENTERTAINMENT!!! = increased readers = increased revenues.
 
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As the virus spreads across the world, the number of reported cases by country has little to due with the actual rate of infection in that country and more to do with the quality and coverage of the testing. The other thing that is becoming clear is that there is a huge number of infected people who are not seeking medical attention. They are getting sick and getting better on their own. Some are going to the hospital. A very small percentage are dying. It is serious but it looks to many well informed and experienced medical professionals like it is just a very bad flu virus. Life goes on. Meanwhile CNN and the NYT are doing everything they can to sow fear and confusion because it attracts the attention of the vast majority of their readers who veiw all of this as entertainment. It sells ads. They are also attacking leadership in China, Korea and Japan for doing what they are saying is a bad job handling the virus. The revenue fomula for the global news oulets seems to be: problem x fear mongering = BIG SCARY PROBLEM + someone to blame = ENTERTAINMENT!!! = increased readers = increased revenues.
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While I do agree with what you're saying about the news, it does seem that the govt in Korea has dropped the ball on this one.
All this fear mongering is affecting the stock market too. And I'm curious about what the Olympics is going to be like if it isn't over by then (which I don't think it will be).
 
Viggagadye said:
While I do agree with what you're saying about the news, it does seem that the govt in Korea has dropped the ball on this one.
All this fear mongering is affecting the stock market too. And I'm curious about what the Olympics is going to be like if it isn't over by then (which I don't think it will be).
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(Fuck the Olympics)
 
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Viggagadye said:
While I do agree with what you're saying about the news, it does seem that the govt in Korea has dropped the ball on this one.
All this fear mongering is affecting the stock market too. And I'm curious about what the Olympics is going to be like if it isn't over by then (which I don't think it will be).
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I don’t think it will be postponed, due to the scale and size of the event. It’s more likely to be cancelled altogether. It doesn’t seem realistic to move the event to another city either. In a couple of months we’ll see what happens.
 
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Simonka said:
I don’t think it will be postponed, due to the scale and size of the event. It’s more likely to be cancelled altogether. It doesn’t seem realistic to move the event to another city either. In a couple of months we’ll see what happens.
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I've got my fingers crossed that it gets cancelled!!!
 
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Juliet said:
I have been unconcerned this whole time, but lately things have escalated. Some schools have shut down. I know the media dramatizes and causes panic, but at the same time I don’t want to be unsafe and continue as usual if there is real cause to worry.
The mask thing is pretty infuriating. I got lots of dirty looks and snide comments from my classmates for being the only one not wearing one, even though they are sold out everywhere. My teachers said I can’t come to school unless I am wearing a mask. Every event is canceled.

But I guess most people on TAG would consider p4p (not just sexual contact, but meeting in busy places like Shinjuku, commuting on trains, etc) to be no issue? It just seems to contradict what everyone else is telling me. There is so much misinformation/ confusion everywhere :/
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Hows things on your side? You seeing more bookings or less?
 
Sudsy said:
Wouldn't be too worried, most of the Koran cases are Christian cultists. Don't expect you'll find many of those working in a rub and tug.

Edit: Korean cases dammit. KOREAN.
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That's true, but most of the girls in those joints always talk about going back to Korea as often as possible because [enter bullshit here] "is better in Korea." But in any event, we have so many Korean immigrants and tourists around here that it won't make a difference soon. So sad, the two areas that Koreans are gifted in (cooking and pleasuring) are off-limits for me for the time being.
 
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