Well, yeah, I think we're coming to better understanding of differences.
Yeah, your terminology set me off because it was jarring and had in my opinion limited utility and might mislead people. I understand your reasons better now.
But I still think that your hyper aggressive posture is problematic, and would be a non-starter in Japan except for the wannabe hoodrat subculture. I guess that the underlying problem is one of hostility. Your perspective is difficult for me to understand. If I had to put it into (very geeky) shorthand, it's like you're young Anakin Skywalker drinking from the font of Sith redpill knowledge. Don't let the hate flow, bro. LOL
You'll need to acclimate to the environment and decompress when/if you return.
Let's go back to your post lamenting white knighting. Now, if I read that again, it seems like your problem or your question is "To what extent will a woman I am approaching be 'defended' without question by surrounding and previously unrelated dudes, or try and manipulate them into confronting you?" I have never been clockblocked or otherwise interfered with by a J-dude while in the act of approaching. But I also do not approach in super-competetive "high-club" locales. Not my bag, baby.
What was really odd about your post was that you seemed to be saying that your problem is that you have to deal with guff and interference from guys called in by women when you DON'T kiss them or are detaching from them because you have assessed the situation as eject-worthy. That to me is like unfathomable. I don't see it being even within the realm of possibility in Japan. I don't know about other localities.
Slack cut. I may have my laments and hassles with the dating scene here, but you are in hell. Just remember, when you are going through hell, don't stop!
I have heard that anti-game is also necessary in Japan- that negs and all that will most likely backfire.
I've never run game in Japan. Whenever I've been I've had dates; but they were usually initiated with very basic effort or due to knowing someone else. I had a fairly regular gf in Fukuoka, but she was Zainichi ( so she claimed).
I have heard in Korea cockblocking is damn near 100 percent in some areas. From guys I absolutely trust. I wouldn't know from experience if Japan is any different. I know that soldiers get cockblocked like a motherfucker in Korea. I never have done pick up there- I was a total beta, like most soldiers, until about five years ago.
I don't know what I said that is particularly " jarring." It's just normal speech. But in any case no offense was intended. Actuslly the opposite. But it certainly shouldn't be personally offensive; it's not as though anyone in particular was relevant to my question or anything. I was asking for an answer- not giving one. And plus calling someone a "female" is hardly an issue considering what gets discussed around here. Not knocking it, just pointing out that it's surreal that that could ever be a problem.
And please believe me; the most dangerous thing you can do is reject a woman. And not to be racist, but ive had one instance in which a super drunk black woman has been rejected and tried to get her crew to go after me. Another reason for my being armed at all times. Maybe it was just that particular club. I have not been back.
The most extreme story I can give was from a year or so ago. Me and a friend of mine went to a house party, and this morbidly obese woman was hitting on my friend. When he rejected her, she went totally apeshit. Turns out she had her husband in the next room, sleeping because he had to go to work in the morning. She woke him up screaming and he actually came out to try to fight my friend, which was suicide because not only was there a group of us, the guy in question was not very large. What jf he'come out armed? i would have had to shoot him, which would have been awful. But that's what white knights do. They get murdered and murder others playing capt save a ho. Happens often enough to be a concern. And that's one reason I push for guys to be reasonable about their white-knighting. It can literally get their heads blown off. Maybe not in Japan but ive known several
Men killed over this. I won't here, but I can tell you stories from Iraq that would curl your blood regarding the extent that Iraqi men would go to for white knighting. I'm talking castrating and blinding one another ( not figuratively either).
Just the other day I went to a restaurant, and sat at the bar; a woman in her mid- forties sat down. That's now above my age limit. I didn't talk to her. I ate quickly and left. When I went to the door she said, " you think your hot shit but you're not." Seriously. It didnt even matter to her that I was like fifteen years younger than her. And they can absolutely call in white knights, especially if you refuse to tolerate their verbal abuse. This woman could have, but fortunately wasn't able to. You get the idea though.
http://heartiste.wordpress.com/2014/10/19/a-short-story-about-an-american-girl/
It may not be possible in Japan- not knowing is the reason I asked about it. It absolutely happens here. In fact, i'd say the WORST rage comes out of women who feel rejected. It crushes their egos. In their minds it's men who should deal with rejection. When it's reversed, they can't handle it.
In fact that's what a huge chunk of American lynchings have started out as; White woman goes for a black man, gets either rebuffed or regrets or later, pretty soon a mob of white knights(and these being the origin of the term), has someone strung up.
Surely there is at least some element of this in Japan? I wouldn't know though.