SD exp

[Sudsy]

Met the girl, she's not the same one in the picture

At this point the smart thing to do would have been to give her 5K for her time, and leave. Can always ring up Delice for a DH session.

 

[Jimmy Chu1969]

At this point the smart thing to do would have been to give her 5K for her time, and leave. Can always ring up Delice for a DH session.

It was bait and switch so he could have refused even that!

 

[Sudsy]

It was bait and switch so he could have refused even that!

Yep, but it's a nice thing to do - and it usually satisfies them enough to avoid any scene that might attract unwanted attention.

 

[Jimmy Chu1969]

Yep, but it's a nice thing to do - and it usually satisfies them enough to avoid any scene that might attract unwanted attention.

I guess. Yeah, I suppose you are right.

 

[Ken4fb]

At this point the smart thing to do would have been to give her 5K for her time, and leave. Can always ring up Delice for a DH session.

Thank you. That's a nice advice to cut loss and diffuse the situation . I (stupidly) wanted to see what this will lead me to.

Learnt my lesson and hopefully this will be of use as a warning to others.

 

[Jimmy Chu1969]

Thank you. That's a nice advice to cut loss and diffuse the situation . I (stupidly) wanted to see what this will lead me to.

Learnt my lesson and hopefully this will be of use as a warning to others.

Nah, I’d have just walked away. I’ve done it before. They don’t do anything. Of course, they could report you to the app, but you could report them as a scam operation. TOFTT in this case is a good reminder to be upfront with conditions before meeting.

 

[NewRussian]

Warning: DON'T DO THIS. It is not worth the money, time and the risk is high.

Okay this is new, in a bad way.

Met the girl, she's not the same one in the picture, chubby with small boobs. Went to the hotel , was asked to give 1-2 man extra in addition to the agreed 3. I only have 1 with me after paying for the hotel so I gave her. I was asked take a shower later. Went straight to cover my thing with condom, gave me a cbj then proceed to ask me to put it in. No GFE what so ever. I couldn't finish. Pulled it out and there are some blood on the outside of the condom, so it was obviously her.

She took the shower first. Once she gets out of the shower, I went in . It must have been less than 5 minutes. By the time I got out of the shower, she was gone. I still have all my belongings, so she didn't take anything other than the money which I gave her.

It was the first time I experience this. It is scary, and I felt really bad for her. I wouldn't mind if she said goodbye right after I got out from the shower. Instead she decided to run away.

Total damage 40,000 + love hotel.

Please don't be stupid and spend the money with the TAG indies SL/DH or at least meet the girl for some private time first instead of going directly to the hotel.

That's why I talk more with a girl in a chat, if there is a hint that she answers in one word, or says, let's get to know each other over tea, I block them.

Don't throw yourself at a girl right away, there are a lot of them, you can send 100 more girls especially in Tokyo. Here's the　nagoya , constantly views.

 

[MikeH]

Learnt my lesson and hopefully this will be of use as a warning to others.

Learning is expensive, just look at the university fees in Japan.

As a lesson this was still reasonable priced, if you probe I am pretty sure we all have similar and more expensive stories to tell. And on top of that now we all got to learn with you for free.

 

[leducul]

Thank you. Having met you in person, I truly appreciate your support.

I kinda want to know what it is like. Now I do. I don't think others should have the same experience.

This just goes to show I should stick with indies on TAG or at least do a face to face meeting first.

I'm still planning on seeing the others who want to meet up and not directly going the hotel and see where those lead to

Thanks Ken,
Textbook definition of taking one for the team. My understanding is that with your experience you wanted to play a bit more with the edges and get a better understanding of what could happen if not being as cautious as usual, while taking a controled risk.
Thanks for reminding us of several red flags.

 

[tukukuki1]

Hello all I need your insight again.

I had meet with 8 Japanese girl from sugar dating apps, with the agreement of first meeting is tea and second meeting adult.
But, nearly all of them when I asked them to meet for the second time, they just read my message without replying anymore.

Does it because I cannot speak Japanese clearly? I communicate with them with Google translate, but when I met them, they seems okay with it.
I also acted nice to them and never forced them to do things that they didn't want, I even gave them gift on our first meeting.

My age is 30 years old, and this is actually makes me confused, why they prefer to meet 40-50 years old man that already has wives and kids rather than meeting me?
What did I do wrong?

This makes me think that @NewRussian approach is the most effective and cost efficient approach, basically NewRussian just delete all girls that don't want to do Otona on the first meeting.

Also, I am now lowering the cost of tea to 0.5 and some girls agree to it, I don't want to pay 10,000 yen for tea anymore, because nearly all of them didn't want to meet me for the second meeting.

 

[CharlieSimms]

Deeper self-reflection is probably a good idea at this point. Any further advice would be based on very superficial information. A more honest personal assessment of what is working and what is not with the appropriate self correction and experimentation is the way to go. Again SD is an advanced game. There is NO manual.

 

[tukukuki1]

Deeper self-reflection is probably a good idea at this point. Any further advice would be based on very superficial information. A more honest personal assessment of what is working and what is not with the appropriate self correction and experimentation is the way to go. Again SD is an advanced game. There is NO manual.

Its okay I just need advice, it will help me with my self-reflection I need people opinion.

 

[MikeH]

I also acted nice to them and never forced them to do things that they didn't want

As @CharlieSimms sensei already let you know how would we know the reasons? It might be the language, it might be you reak of cologne. You need to do some soul searching for yourself.

But if I would have to write the quoted sentence then I would start from there. I mean being nice and not forcing the girls to do something they don't want is not even Dating 101, it's just generally being a decent human being.

 

[leducul]

Its okay I just need advice, it will help me with my self-reflection I need people opinion.

When I started on SD I quickly switched to give nothing for 顔合わせ, explaining that if both agreed we would meet again for 大人 for 3.
It surely filtered, but still had some good encounters.
In my case I want somebody to have a date with so I'm not interested in hotel on the first encounter.
Recently I went back to .5 for 顔合わせ (be it lunch or tea), I'm filtering more during chat, and understand that I should compensate the other party for taking the risk and time with me.
SD is clearly an investment game for me, it takes time, but it's simpler and safer than picking up girls in bars for me, being married, the situation is clear.
I pay then to be there and to leave.

 

[Ken4fb]

Hello all I need your insight again.

I had meet with 8 Japanese girl from sugar dating apps, with the agreement of first meeting is tea and second meeting adult.
But, nearly all of them when I asked them to meet for the second time, they just read my message without replying anymore.

Does it because I cannot speak Japanese clearly? I communicate with them with Google translate, but when I met them, they seems okay with it.
I also acted nice to them and never forced them to do things that they didn't want, I even gave them gift on our first meeting.

My age is 30 years old, and this is actually makes me confused, why they prefer to meet 40-50 years old man that already has wives and kids rather than meeting me?
What did I do wrong?

This makes me think that @NewRussian approach is the most effective and cost efficient approach, basically NewRussian just delete all girls that don't want to do Otona on the first meeting.

Also, I am now lowering the cost of tea to 0.5 and some girls agree to it, I don't want to pay 10,000 yen for tea anymore, because nearly all of them didn't want to meet me for the second meeting.

Funny enough. I was asking around for the same question. I have had a similar experience two years ago with SD.JP Girls will just meet for face to face meeting, asking for 10K then when I tried to follow up, they disappeared. There are very few exceptions but none of them are keeper.

I can speak Japanese, in case you are wondering.

I think it is the practice on the site, especially in Tokyo. They just want to make a quick money with face to face meeting. Who wouldn't like getting paid 10K for an hour or less with free meal / drinks?

I met my current SBs via seeking. I have been more successful on that site compared to SD.

Again YMMY.

I'm meeting one girl who isn't a looker but based on the chat seems genuinely a nice girl. She has agreed on dinner, without asking for any compensation yet. Will see how this goes.

 

[tukukuki1]

Funny enough. I was asking around for the same question. I have had a similar experience two years ago with SD.JP Girls will just meet for face to face meeting, asking for 10K then when I tried to follow up, they disappeared. There are very few exceptions but none of them are keeper.

I can speak Japanese, in case you are wondering.

I think it is the practice on the site, especially in Tokyo. They just want to make a quick money with face to face meeting. Who wouldn't like getting paid 10K for an hour or less with free meal / drinks?

I met my current SBs via seeking. I have been more successful on that site compared to SD.

Again YMMY.

I'm meeting one girl who isn't a looker but based on the chat seems genuinely a nice girl. She has agreed on dinner, without asking for any compensation yet. Will see how this goes.

Thank you sir for your insight.

I want to ask do you still remember how many girls in sd.jp that just take that 10k and disappear?
Let's say how many girls out of 10 girls? 7 out of 10? Thanks.

 

[Ken4fb]

Thank you sir for your insight.

I want to ask do you still remember how many girls in sd.jp that just take that 10k and disappear?
Let's say how many girls out of 10 girls? 7 out of 10? Thanks.

I would says 9 out of 10

Recently I went back to .5 for 顔合わせ (be it lunch or tea), I'm filtering more during chat, and understand that I should compensate the other party for taking the risk and time with me.

That makes sense. I think I will try not to mention about giving the money for face to face meeting if they didn't ask for one. If the girl asked for it via chat then I won't meet them.

 

[tukukuki1]

I would says 9 out of 10


That makes sense. I think I will try not to mention about giving the money for face to face meeting if they didn't ask for one. If the girl asked for it via chat then I won't meet them.

Thank you very much for your insight, this is why I asked this question.

 

[CharlieSimms]

You can believe it’s all in the system if it works for you. Btw I have played the same game you are attempting now. I have done this. A lot.

1. Yes there are ladies who play the system and only want to rack up as many first meetings as possible
2. However there are ladies who are selective. In this day and age, I would question any lady who agrees to fuck a stranger from the internet upfront based on the exchange of a few messages. Unlike a shop, they are alone out there without protection. (Independent escorts are different as they will have developed a system - the assumption of SD is that we are talking about amateurs). UNLESS
3. They are not actually amateurs but are agency workers. These ladies will absolutely agree to fuck you upfront on the internet. In fact, they prefer it. But really it’s not any lady you are chatting with but a chain-smoking, Cup Ozeki drinking Ossan. And their safety net is that if you mess with any agency lady, some very scary gentlemen will be visiting you to take care of it.

So you believe that the system is flawed and that you as the player have no impact on the results. That every lady who decided not to fuck you after the first meeting would actually not fuck anyone because she is milking the system. I am saying probably that is not the case for all or even a majority. Only you would be able to know - but it seems you have completely sidestepped the potential that YOU are somehow contributing to what you are experiencing.

What is the truth? I don’t know. You say you want advice but at the same time it seems you are willing to think in only one direction. And I wrote all this not for you but for those reading who may be deluded and misinformed by your quick and ego-protective conclusions.

 

[Ken4fb]

You can believe it’s all in the system if it works for you. Btw I have played the same game you are attempting now. I have done this. A lot.

1. Yes there are ladies who play the system and only want to rack up as many first meetings as possible
2. However there are ladies who are selective. In this day and age, I would question any lady who agrees to fuck a stranger from the internet upfront based on the exchange of a few messages. Unlike a shop, they are alone out there without protection. (Independent escorts are different as they will have developed a system - the assumption of SD is that we are talking about amateurs). UNLESS
3. They are not actually amateurs but are agency workers. These ladies will absolutely agree to fuck you upfront on the internet. In fact, they prefer it. But really it’s not any lady you are chatting with but a chain-smoking, Cup Ozeki drinking Ossan. And their safety net is that if you mess with any agency lady, some very scary gentlemen will be visiting you to take care of it.

So you believe that the system is flawed and that you as the player have no impact on the results. That every lady who decided not to fuck you after the first meeting would actually not fuck anyone because she is milking the system. I am saying probably that is not the case for all or even a majority. Only you would be able to know - but it seems you have completely sidestepped the potential that YOU are somehow contributing to what you are experiencing.

What is the truth? I don’t know. You say you want advice but at the same time it seems you are willing to think in only one direction. And I wrote all this not for you but for those reading who may be deluded and misinformed by your quick and ego-protective conclusions.

Agreed on this. I managed to have otona with my current SB , who I have been seeing regularly for quite sometime, on the first date. We met for face to face then she said she's comfortable with me so let's go to the love hotel. She didn't indicate that she wants money for face to face meeting nor saying anything about Otona when we communicate via chat initially.

And then I recently had a bad experience with a girl who is probably working for someone like @CharlieSimms mentioned above.

 

[tukukuki1]

You can believe it’s all in the system if it works for you. Btw I have played the same game you are attempting now. I have done this. A lot.

1. Yes there are ladies who play the system and only want to rack up as many first meetings as possible
2. However there are ladies who are selective. In this day and age, I would question any lady who agrees to fuck a stranger from the internet upfront based on the exchange of a few messages. Unlike a shop, they are alone out there without protection. (Independent escorts are different as they will have developed a system - the assumption of SD is that we are talking about amateurs). UNLESS
3. They are not actually amateurs but are agency workers. These ladies will absolutely agree to fuck you upfront on the internet. In fact, they prefer it. But really it’s not any lady you are chatting with but a chain-smoking, Cup Ozeki drinking Ossan. And their safety net is that if you mess with any agency lady, some very scary gentlemen will be visiting you to take care of it.

So you believe that the system is flawed and that you as the player have no impact on the results. That every lady who decided not to fuck you after the first meeting would actually not fuck anyone because she is milking the system. I am saying probably that is not the case for all or even a majority. Only you would be able to know - but it seems you have completely sidestepped the potential that YOU are somehow contributing to what you are experiencing.

What is the truth? I don’t know. You say you want advice but at the same time it seems you are willing to think in only one direction. And I wrote all this not for you but for those reading who may be deluded and misinformed by your quick and ego-protective conclusions.

Thank you very much for your advice, now I realize what is my mistake.
I will try to change myself.

If I think about it, I don't regret meeting with them, because I gain a lot of knowledge about Japan cafe, and my skill to interact with woman is steadily improving.
I am an introverted person that had bullied in the past, because of that I have traumatic issue and it is difficult for me to talk with woman.
But, by meeting them although I must pay 5,000-10,000 yen, my communication skill is steadily improving.

For now on, I will just use this sugar dating apps to practice my communication skill and expanding my knowledge about Japan cafe.

 

[just4fun]

it's just generally being a decent human being.

EEEeeeeHHHHHhhhhhhhhhh

 

[tukukuki1]

Warning: DON'T DO THIS. It is not worth the money, time and the risk is high.

Okay this is new, in a bad way.

Met the girl, she's not the same one in the picture, chubby with small boobs. Went to the hotel , was asked to give 1-2 man extra in addition to the agreed 3. I only have 1 with me after paying for the hotel so I gave her. I was asked take a shower later. Went straight to cover my thing with condom, gave me a cbj then proceed to ask me to put it in. No GFE what so ever. I couldn't finish. Pulled it out and there are some blood on the outside of the condom, so it was obviously her.

She took the shower first. Once she gets out of the shower, I went in . It must have been less than 5 minutes. By the time I got out of the shower, she was gone. I still have all my belongings, so she didn't take anything other than the money which I gave her.

It was the first time I experience this. It is scary, and I felt really bad for her. I wouldn't mind if she said goodbye right after I got out from the shower. Instead she decided to run away.

Total damage 40,000 + love hotel.

Please don't be stupid and spend the money with the TAG indies SL/DH or at least meet the girl for some private time first instead of going directly to the hotel.

Edit: This info might be useful to others

• The girl will keep asking you to to meet up in a very specific place. In my case it was KFC at Toho cinema in Kabukicho, or Ikebukuro.
• They will send you a reminder one day before the meeting. It would be like

こんにちは！
今日も1日暑いですね💦
体調は大丈夫ですか？
明日はマッタリ楽しみましょうね💞

- They will keep asking you for what you look like, what you are wearing. I shouldn't have responded to that. It would be easier for me to sneak away if the girl doesn't look like the one in the profile.

Thank you very much for this warning, because of your post I cancel today apointment with girl that can do adult from the first meeting.
Today she asked me to meet her at KFC Toho cinema in Kabukicho, and I remember about your post, I immediately cancel the appointment.

This is why I grateful for all the insight that I get from all tokyoadultguide member thank you very much.

 

[Alice]

Thank you very much for this warning, because of your post I cancel today apointment with girl that can do adult from the first meeting.
Today she asked me to meet her at KFC Toho cinema in Kabukicho, and I remember about your post, I immediately cancel the appointment.

This is why I grateful for all the insight that I get from all tokyoadultguide member thank you very much.

Could have been a really good time, how do you know it would turn out the same?
Sorry but unless there were red flags, a sudden cancellation because of someone else’s horror story is mean and unfair to the girl who’ll have to scramble to find someone else for the next day.

Funny enough. I was asking around for the same question. I have had a similar experience two years ago with SD.JP Girls will just meet for face to face meeting, asking for 10K then when I tried to follow up, they disappeared. There are very few exceptions but none of them are keeper.

I can speak Japanese, in case you are wondering.

I think it is the practice on the site, especially in Tokyo. They just want to make a quick money with face to face meeting. Who wouldn't like getting paid 10K for an hour or less with free meal / drinks?

I met my current SBs via seeking. I have been more successful on that site compared to SD.

Again YMMY.

I'm meeting one girl who isn't a looker but based on the chat seems genuinely a nice girl. She has agreed on dinner, without asking for any compensation yet. Will see how this goes.

These seem like girls who never plan to put out and use it as a trick.

If I were you I would do one of two things:

1. Meet for otana and just leave if the girl does not look like her pictures

Or

2. Meet for cafe first and tell her you want to talk for 30 minutes and do otona if the vibe is right. Don’t pay her if she refuses otona or give only travel money
(of course, tell her those conditions beforehand online and be in mutual agreement about it, don’t surprise her with it at the meeting point)

 

[Jimmy Chu1969]

Could have been a really good time, how do you know it would turn out the same?
Sorry but unless there were red flags, a sudden cancellation because of someone else’s horror story is mean and unfair to the girl who’ll have to scramble to find someone else for the next day.


These seem like girls who never plan to put out and use it as a trick.

If I were you I would do one of two things:

1. Meet for otana and just leave if the girl does not look like her pictures

Or

2. Meet for cafe first and tell her you want to talk for 30 minutes and do otona if the vibe is right. Don’t pay her if she refuses otona or give only travel money
(of course, tell her those conditions beforehand online and be in mutual agreement about it, don’t surprise her with it at the meeting point

I don’t pay bait and switchers.