SW Orgasms

[SatoKM]

I had watched this documentary as well. Not sure it depicts reality because I've never been to a host club, but I think hosts have a harder time than hostesses. Groups of well established businessmen frequently go to hostess clubs and the dynamics are different. Whereas these boys have to cater to women with emotional needs like girls who work as hostesses etc. also they have to drink more. Why would a decent looking socially adept woman walk into a host bar? She can just walk into any bar and be showered with attention. It must be emotionally draining after a certain point.

Japan in many ways is an emotional roller coaster for their own people. Sometimes I feel sorry about them. I feel lucky that although I am Japanese I have lived almost my entire life outside Japan. I worked for almost 2 years in Tokyo and I felt so stressed and lonely. Overthinking everything you do or say, how you say it and to who you say it. Not able to me myself (unique, cheerful, kind of loud sometimes...).

Go to hostess or host club is kind of "mental relieve" for many Japanese workers. I got many truly and honest confessions while my friends were drunk. I guess one of the few good things about alcohol is that you can of know people's true colors after they get drunk.

I got so many confessions from workmates, from my boss, from everybody! So sad, many Japanese are so mentally unstable, heartbroken and lonely. That's why those type of places are like the only way to release many daily problems.

I was forced to go many times with my boss and work colleagues to hostess clubs. At first, it was kind of amusing (from my western mentality point of view) how much money they spend in women serving drinks and make them company. Telling to everybody how great they are in EVERYTHING! from doing mental math calculations to their stories playing golf or tennis. Those hostess cheer my workmates, laughed at their bad jokes and told them how "attractive" they are. Then after several times going to hostess clubs, I started to feel sorry about my workmates. I realized that's not the kind of life I want. I quit my job, left Japan and started to work in other countries.

I love Japan for visiting as a tourist but not for work and living!

 

[Wwanderer]

I had watched this documentary as well. Not sure it depicts reality because I've never been to a host club, but I think hosts have a harder time than hostesses. Groups of well established businessmen frequently go to hostess clubs and the dynamics are different. Whereas these boys have to cater to women with emotional needs like girls who work as hostesses etc. also they have to drink more. Why would a decent looking socially adept woman walk into a host bar? She can just walk into any bar and be showered with attention. It must be emotionally draining after a certain point for hosts to pretend they understand.

I definitely know very little about this topic, but I did spend some time in a host club once, and the atmosphere and clientele did indeed seem quite different from a gender-reversed version of a hostess club.

As for why women who would be “showered with attention” (and more than attention if they wished!) for free in a normal bar nevertheless go to host clubs to host clubs and pay (A LOT) for it, I don’t know, but I suspect it is a different kind of attention and a very different way of interacting with men. Maybe some sort of reversal of roles or power or status or something. But a great question whatever the answer.

-Ww

 

[SatoKM]

When I was a hostess I was the opposite. I told guys to lose weight and exercise more, quit smoking etc.. actually one of my oji sans lost 11 kg in a year and the other one quit smoking and started running again. They became my regular customers for a few years. At least I did something good other than ordering champagne.

That's great! but normally that's not how hostess behave in front of their customers. I wish I had (in that time) the opportunity to recommend my workmates to go to the place where you worked at. That would have been a show I wouldn't miss for sure! LOL!

I had a workmate who really liked singing. He liked "enka songs" and he used to "entertained" us at a hostess club. All the girls were cheering and saying: 凄いですね！And as a matter of fact, he sang horrible! LOL!

 

[MikeH]

actually one of my oji sans lost 11 kg in a year and the other one quit smoking and started running again.

Well, with that one I bet even his wife didn't mind him going to hostess clubs after that!

 

[Wwanderer]

When I was a hostess I was the opposite. I told guys to lose weight and exercise more, quit smoking etc.. actually one of my oji sans lost 11 kg in a year and the other one quit smoking and started running again. They became my regular customers for a few years. At least I did something good other than ordering champagne.

Gaijin hostesses mostly behave quite differently from Japanese ones in my limited but not completely minimal experience.

-Ww

 

[SatoKM]

Gaijin hostesses mostly behave quite differently from Japanese ones in my limited but not completely minimal experience.

-Ww

I never met a Gaijin hostess. As a matter of fact I guess I was the only Gaijin (camouflaged in Japanese body) in all the hostess club that I attended.

 

[MikeH]

Yeah we have the gaijin card so people turn a blind eye on our differences.

Must have been funny discussions at homes: Honey, it seems you have gained a bit of weight lately. You should go and meet that gaijin hostess again tonight.

 

[SatoKM]

Must have been funny discussions at homes: Honey, it seems you have gained a bit of weight lately. You should go and meet that gaijin hostess again tonight.

Or something like: "I told you that you were gaining too much weight but you never listen to me! Good to know that the hostess told you to lose some weight"

 

[rob040188]

Some girls were curious if I was a Thai kickboxer or Philipino boxer or MMA fighter. LOL!

...we must look alike then...

I think you're reading too much into it, mate.

Alice said top earners can earn 1000man a month.

He said 1,000 x 10,000yen = 10,000,000yen = roughly 100,000us dollars a month!

(Alice's statement is where the 1000 came from)

Exactly

 

[Wwanderer]

I never met a Gaijin hostess. As a matter of fact I guess I was the only Gaijin (camouflaged in Japanese body) in all the hostess club that I attended.

Back in the day when the authorities paid no attention to visa law violations in the nightlife industries there were a good number of hostess clubs that employed young gaijin women (mostly passing through Tokyo 90-days at a time on tourist visas) exclusively or nearly so. There are still a few of them around I think. If I ever met a gaijin hostess in a club that employed mostly Japanese women, I don't recall it.

As an aside, a lot of the old gaijin-staffed hostess clubs advertised that you could have a good time while learning/practicing English too. Someone could have done a study on how alcohol affects acquisition of a new language.

-Ww

 

[Wwanderer]

Yeah we have the gaijin card so people turn a blind eye on our differences. Being Japanese is very hard.

Very true imo. I have long felt that Japan is one of the best places, probably *the* best, for gaijin to live but one of the worst for Japanese people. Strange.

-Ww

 

[SatoKM]

Very true imo. I have long felt that Japan is one of the best places, probably *the* best, for gaijin to live but one of the worst for Japanese people. Strange.

-Ww

That's why Japan is not a good place for me to live in. I was raised abroad since I was a child, so even though I am Japanese I got a westernized mentality and behavior. Not afraid of speak out my true feelings, being direct without trying to read between the lines, laugh, cry if I have to, etc.

If you have a Gaijin physical appearance Japanese people will be more flexible with you. That's not the case with me!

 

[Wwanderer]

That's why Japan is not a good place for me to live in. I was raised abroad since I was a child, so even though I am Japanese I got a westernized mentality and behavior. Not afraid of speak out my true feelings, being direct without trying to read between the lines, laugh, cry if I have to, etc.

If you have a Gaijin physical appearance Japanese people will be more flexible with you. That's not the case with me!

Not that you need me to validate your experience, but what you say is 100% consistent with my observations of a few Japanese people living in Japan but who grew up or spent a large part of their lives abroad that I have known well. Japan appears to be a special sort of hell for them; they bear all the burdens of Japanese expectations and get none of the benefits of gaijin privilege (or what @Simonka called a gaijin card). I even knew one guy who was pure Japanese ethnically but grew up in Brazil speaking only Portuguese and with Latin behavior/mannerisms and only came to Japan as a middle-aged adult, speaking nearly zero Japanese. He actually got picked up by the police a couple of times and taken to a psychiatric hospital because he appeared deranged to the officers! He ended up having to carry a letter in Japanese from his employer explaining that he was not crazy but merely Brazilian!

-Ww

 

[RightOn6975]

I have been with almost every indie here along with a few other agency SW's. I thought that yeah I was the man, especially with things that they were saying and things that were happening with their body, however with reviews that came after my encounter and especially with what I saw personally on one encounter I began to doubt what I was able to do. That being said, I can say that maybe they had a good time, but I highly doubt that they actually orgasmed. It's no bother to me, but with having DE (delayed ejaculation) I try to make sure my partner has orgasms rather than me, I ask partners to tell me what to do in order for them to orgasm. That being said, @Manami TMK is EXTREMELY great at and I hate to phrase it like this, user feedback, she will tell you exactly what to do in order for things to happen, but all providers will tell you exactly what needs to happen, not to mention knowing visual hints with them. Sophie from [Redacted] is completely horrible at this and does not give feedback and visual queues. She is more concerned with her phone and moving on with everything. The one thing that I can say that I did well is building the tension and making each partner wanting to do more, I thank OMGyes for that, but finishing again is a different story.

 

[RightOn6975]

Also, I prefer partners to be honest. Don't say that you're cumming if you're not cumming. You're not going to hurt my feelings if it is not going to happen, just tell me what needs to happen in order for it to happen. If it will not happen at least let's make it enjoyable experience were we say damn that was hot and what not. Honesty is a huge turn on for me and I prefer you being honest more so than you faking, once again Sophie is COMPLETELY horrible at this and Anju to a certain extent. Other than that no complaints.

 

[Frenchy]

I know. Typical hostess club phrases:
Ohhh your muscles look so big!
Ah that tie is so oshare!
Mmmh where did you get these shoes from they match your bag
Waow! You smell so nice
Etc etc..

I refused to light cigarettes lol. And told people it's unhealthy to smoke. Poor folks didn't have someone who cared about their well being. It was a total noob move but it somehow worked and once I got the hang of it I learned how to mix my personality into the "art of hostessing"

Interesting, sounds like you mixed the 2 concepts of hostess and SM dominatrix in a way. Would have loved to be your client, but at some point I would have snapped back at you and it would have been ugly (« can you at least wear padded bras to pretend you have bigger boobs », that sort of things )

 

[Frenchy]

Also, I prefer partners to be honest. Don't say that you're cumming if you're not cumming. You're not going to hurt my feelings if it is not going to happen, just tell me what needs to happen in order for it to happen. If it will not happen at least let's make it enjoyable experience were we say damn that was hot and what not. Honesty is a huge turn on for me and I prefer you being honest more so than you faking, once again Sophie is COMPLETELY horrible at this and Anju to a certain extent. Other than that no complaints.

Funny, I thought on the opposite that Sophie is one of the most honest/frank ladies I’ve met here. I’m not talking about faking or not orgasms (quite frankly I don’t care about that, I don’t think P4P should be like a sports competition about who make them come the most) but just generally speaking. She’s certainly not the kind of weirdo pretender / compulsive liar / diva etc... that you may encounter at times in this line of business.

 

[RightOn6975]

Funny, I thought on the opposite that Sophie is one of the most honest/frank ladies I’ve met here. I’m not talking about faking or not orgasms (quite frankly I don’t care about that, I don’t think P4P should be like a sports competition about who make them come the most) but just generally speaking. She’s certainly not the kind of weirdo pretender / compulsive liar / diva etc... that you may encounter at times in this line of business.

When I did meet her she like another review was on her phone a lot and more or less preoccupied with an upcoming concert/vacation that was happening. She cared less about what was going on and wished for me to just hurry up and dictated terms and tried to finish early. She reacts differently to who she is seeing I guess and prefers in one review put it, guys built like Chris Evans or Chris Hemsworth. If she is not feeling you then she is not feeling you and will just not react the way most providers do and is rather cold. I would have preferred her to just say no and not do the session or if you're going to go through with it, at least fake. I don't blame her really, but she needs to work on that.

 

[Frenchy]

When I did meet her she like another review was on her phone a lot and more or less preoccupied with an upcoming concert/vacation that was happening. She cared less about what was going on and wished for me to just hurry up and dictated terms and tried to finish early. She reacts differently to who she is seeing I guess and prefers in one review put it, guys built like Chris Evans or Chris Hemsworth. If she is not feeling you then she is not feeling you and will just not react the way most providers do and is rather cold. I would have preferred her to just say no and not do the session or if you're going to go through with it, at least fake. I don't blame her really, but she needs to work on that.

Sorry about that, I guess as they all say YMMV (except when it’s with some of the ladies here who can actually reply, then strangely enough you should not post such thing publicly )

 

[Frenchy]

Sorry about that, I guess as they all say YMMV (except when it’s with some of the ladies here who can actually reply, then strangely enough you should not post such thing publicly )

Note to self: I probably look like Chris Evans or Chris Hemworth then! Yay!

 

[Wwanderer]

She reacts differently to who she is seeing I guess ... If she is not feeling you then she is not feeling you and will just not react the way most providers do and is rather cold.

Most escorts react somewhat differently to different guys...pretty much like everyone else in the world relates to different people differently. Also like almost everyone else you'll ever meet, they have their good and bad and indifferent days at work due to all sorts of other factors in their lives, major and minor. They say YMMV for multiple good reasons.

This is a major reason I VERY rarely review an escort unless I have seen her many times, enough to have formed a reasonably well-informed and reliable opinion, and if I have seen her many times, it means that I like her A LOT...and so will probably give her a great review. Some guys conclude that I always rave about any escort I am reviewing because I want to win her favor or get some sort of SFT regardless of how good she really is, but the real reason is that I quickly stop seeing those about whom I wouldn't rave and so don't review them.

The one exception is that if I feel that the lady in question is intentionally being dishonest and trying to rip off her customers in some serious way, but in that case while I might post my opinion, I'd rarely go to the trouble of writing a full review.

-Ww

 

[User#8628]

Why would a decent looking socially adept woman walk into a host bar?

Personally i like the guys in host clubs better than the guys in normal bars.

Plus like you said some of their clients are hostesses, so we can assume they are decent looking and social as well.

I don’t go out a lot anyway, i hate alcohol and noise most of the time, so this doesn’t mean they have a good client in me at those places, but it is a fun chance of phase sometimes.

 

[Frenchy]

Most escorts react somewhat differently to different guys...pretty much like everyone else in the world relates to different people differently. Also like almost everyone else you'll ever meet, they have their good and bad and indifferent days at work due to all sorts of other factors in their lives, major and minor. They say YMMV for multiple good reasons.

This is a major reason I VERY rarely review an escort unless I have seen her many times, enough to have formed a reasonably well-informed and reliable opinion, and if I have seen her many times, it means that I like her A LOT...and so will probably give her a great review. Some guys conclude that I always rave about any escort I am reviewing because I want to win her favor or get some sort of SFT regardless of how good she really is, but the real reason is that I quickly stop seeing those about whom I wouldn't rave and so don't review them.

The one exception is if I feel that the lady in question is intentionally being dishonest and trying to rip off her customers in some serious way, but in that case while I might post my opinion, I'd rarely go to trouble of writing a full review.

-Ww

You should just make a disclaimer when the ladies you « promote » (for lack of better words) are your SBs, and not wait like a year to admit so. That totally changes the picture IMO. Oh well, I forgot, you can’t read me anyway...

 

[User#8628]

When I did meet her she like another review was on her phone a lot and more or less preoccupied with an upcoming concert/vacation that was happening. She cared less about what was going on and wished for me to just hurry up and dictated terms and tried to finish early. She reacts differently to who she is seeing I guess and prefers in one review put it, guys built like Chris Evans or Chris Hemsworth. If she is not feeling you then she is not feeling you and will just not react the way most providers do and is rather cold. I would have preferred her to just say no and not do the session or if you're going to go through with it, at least fake. I don't blame her really, but she needs to work on that.

Damn.
I do think i’m also more on the real side, not acting super fake and giving fake compliments and loud moans but more trying to connect and if it fails because there is no click, i can understand people don’t feel satisfied with me because there is not so much of an act.
But there is also being rude. I do think i have acted like this when i started escorting though (pre TAG), and I regret that. But that can happen when you plan something with an amateur.
You’d hope she’d grow in connecting with different kinds of people...

 

[Frenchy]

Damn.
I do think i’m also more on the real side, not acting super fake and giving fake compliments and loud moans but more trying to connect and if it fails because there is no click, i can understand people don’t feel satisfied with me because there is not so much of an act.
But there is also being rude. I do think i have acted like this when i started escorting though (pre TAG), and I regret that. But that can happen when you plan something with an amateur.
You’d hope she’d grow in connecting with different kinds of people...

Yeah right. You think Sophie is an amateur. Gimme a break...
Can we close this thread before I become my real nasty self?