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Frenchy said:
You’re right, but Trumpians don’t like to be bothered with stats and figures , they just assert a made-up reality
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You were right, he's now equivocating about whether these back to pre WWII cuts even happened
 
Frenchy said:
Liquidity pumping and thousands of Robinhood day traders don’t make for a healthy market imo.
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You are right but the patient stays alive as long as they keep pumping. We should not forget the old wisdom which says "don't fight the FED". Or in the words of Keynes in the 1930s: “Markets can stay irrational longer than you can stay solvent.”

Moreover the average total investment of a Robinhood trader is less than 4.000 USD which, despite their numbers, is not enough to move the market any which way.
 
Frenchy said:
what the fuck Bush did to more than double it though? With what results? When I look at the curve in link above, the progression during Bush Jr years looks insane
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What's so surprising about it? 9-11 happened in GW's first year. We ended up fighting two unconventional wars on two different fronts. That shit is expensive. I'm not saying I agree or disagree with how the Bush Admin handled it but war is fucking expensive.

Obama wanted a pre-WWII spending level, because he thought that would make the rest of the world love America more. He was very open and clear about that. But think about America's history since WWII, which has unfortunately been in some state of war or preparation for war ever since. As soon as WWII was done, we had Korea. And we were already competing with the Russians. As soon as Korea was done we had the missile crisis, Vietnam then a prolonged Cold War. No sooner had that shit ended and we were in the first Gulf War. And then we didn't even have a decade rest before 9-11 and we remained locked in a war which, to a small extent, is still going on now. Trump's order for withdrawal finally brought most of our troops home and that's a good thing, because the money we're not spending meddling in affairs overseas has largely been spent back home rebuilding the military that Obama forced Bob Gates and the Pentagon to defund. If you're that interested in it, buy Bob Gates' book. He very clearly outlines every which way Obama weakened our military through budget cuts and demoralization of our troops.

In a perfect world I wish we didn't have to spend as much as we do on war or military preparation. I'd rather see it spent on education or, in particular, cancer research. But I'm not silly or stupid enough to live in that sort of gumdrop reality. The world is a shitty place, where lots of bad people want to do a lot of bad things, and the rest of the world expects America to be first-in and last-out whenever something shitty happens. That costs money, so unless you're helping to foot the bill, shut the fuck up and stay out of the way and hope we can afford to come save you the next time some marxist dictator decides you're more valuable as munitions makers or stamp lickers. But it's also late on a Sunday night, my other half is snoring so that means it's time for my date with a last glass of wine and Pornhub.
 
Keihan Chikan said:
What's so surprising about it? 9-11 happened in GW's first year. We ended up fighting two unconventional wars on two different fronts. That shit is expensive. I'm not saying I agree or disagree with how the Bush Admin handled it but war is fucking expensive.

Obama wanted a pre-WWII spending level, because he thought that would make the rest of the world love America more. He was very open and clear about that. But think about America's history since WWII, which has unfortunately been in some state of war or preparation for war ever since. As soon as WWII was done, we had Korea. And we were already competing with the Russians. As soon as Korea was done we had the missile crisis, Vietnam then a prolonged Cold War. No sooner had that shit ended and we were in the first Gulf War. And then we didn't even have a decade rest before 9-11 and we remained locked in a war which, to a small extent, is still going on now. Trump's order for withdrawal finally brought most of our troops home and that's a good thing, because the money we're not spending meddling in affairs overseas has largely been spent back home rebuilding the military that Obama forced Bob Gates and the Pentagon to defund. If you're that interested in it, buy Bob Gates' book. He very clearly outlines every which way Obama weakened our military through budget cuts and demoralization of our troops.

In a perfect world I wish we didn't have to spend as much as we do on war or military preparation. I'd rather see it spent on education or, in particular, cancer research. But I'm not silly or stupid enough to live in that sort of gumdrop reality. The world is a shitty place, where lots of bad people want to do a lot of bad things, and the rest of the world expects America to be first-in and last-out whenever something shitty happens. That costs money, so unless you're helping to foot the bill, shut the fuck up and stay out of the way and hope we can afford to come save you the next time some marxist dictator decides you're more valuable as munitions makers or stamp lickers. But it's also late on a Sunday night, my other half is snoring so that means it's time for my date with a last glass of wine and Pornhub.
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lol! Well given how the US succeeded military after the 50s (despite those mammoth budgets) I think we should indeed pass on your help next time... btw France doesn’t cost 1cent to defend, we asked the US bases to be closed long ago. So with all due respect, you STFU my dear American friend (whose ancestors fought for Japan I suppose)
 
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Frenchy said:
lol! Well given how the US succeeded military after the 50s (despite those mammoth budgets) I think we should indeed pass on your help next time... btw France doesn’t cost 1cent to defend, we asked the US bases to be closed long ago. So with all due respect, you STFU my dear American friend (whose ancestors fought for Japan I suppose)
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Probably my fault as I've had a few but I wasn't directing YOU to shut the fuck up...I was merely referring to all those international "experts" and armchair commando activist types who bitch about America's military or just America in general. The very people we end up having to bail out. As far as I'm concerned, France and the U.S. are square. You saved us, we saved you, you even gave us a nice statue and you folks have more than enough money, weapons development and ICBMs to play goalie all by yourselves. But if I'm to be very honest, I personally don't agree with how you're policing those homegrown jihadis and ingrate refugees that I've seen causing problems on BBC. You folks need to elect a right-wing leader, if only for one term, to stamp out all that nonsense.

But you're correct, upon meeting my family in Japan I discovered that I indeed had relatives that fought (and died, in one case) against America for the glory of the empire. Oh well, play stupid games, win stupid prizes.
 
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MikeH said:
You are right but the patient stays alive as long as they keep pumping. We should not forget the old wisdom which says "don't fight the FED". Or in the words of Keynes in the 1930s: “Markets can stay irrational longer than you can stay solvent.”

Moreover the average total investment of a Robinhood trader is less than 4.000 USD which, despite their numbers, is not enough to move the market any which way.
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yes, Robinhood is just part of a wider phenomenon : retail participation in the market increased a lot with Covid quarantines , boredom, greed, envy vs friends or guys on social media who say they made fortunes etc
And its not just the account balances but the trading frequency that moves market. You could sit on $100bn of assets if you never trade you have zero impact.
Now what makes me think we are in a bubble is that not only those dreamers think a company without profit can be worth billions (it can be true in some cases), but companies without any revenue as well. Having produced nothing yet. E,g Nikola (the Tesla of non-existing-yet trucks)
When you get to that , it’s 2000 dot-com bubble all over again
 
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who the fuck has the US bailed out in the last 80 years?

Korea, complicated issue with a certain 5 star egomaniac causing havoc, and the continued presence of the US probably kept S Korea a military junta, I mean, democracy since then.

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The USN does do important work in keeping navigation open, the British started the tradition and USN maintains it, aircraft carrier fleets really do keep international trade open, otherwise any shit hole country with a patrol boat would stop international trade. But the idea that the US bails out anyone is pretty lame.
 
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psd said:
who the fuck has the US bailed out in the last 80 years?

Korea, complicated issue with a certain 5 star egomaniac causing havoc, and the continued presence of the US probably kept S Korea a military junta, I mean, democracy since then.

Panama

Kuwait


The USN does do important work in keeping navigation open, the British started the tradition and USN maintains it, aircraft carrier fleets really do keep international trade open, otherwise any shit hole country with a patrol boat would stop international trade. But the idea that the US bails out anyone is pretty lame.
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well they attacked a second time Irak (which had nothing to do with 9/11... if anything Saudi Arabia was more of a culprit than Irak) and toppled Saddam who was replaced by... a big mess. That counts for something (US$300bn in military budget increase , to start with).
 
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Keihan Chikan said:
The ironic part is that the Bin Laden raid, which Obama was more than happy to take credit for, was carried out by operators who had been significantly defunded by the Obama Admin, which is why a number of the SEALs on that mission have been quoted saying that their only reservation about taking that mission was that it would've guaranteed Obama's re-election.
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They had already spent 10 years looking for OBL, they could easily have delayed the kill for another 6 years without anyone asking questions.:p
 
Frenchy said:
blame your retarded and rigged electoral system ,
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Interestingly a handful of states are trying to fix that problem on the state level with Ranked voting. It won't fix the electoral college that elects the president, but it would fix every other electoral process in the US.
 
MossBoss said:
If Biden were the President, the US would be in a similar situation as they are now.
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I'd disagree, mostly because Biden wouldn't have left key positions empty when he came into office. Positions that deal with disease epidemics. Biden would have taken it seriously when it became a problem in the EU, where Trump was still laughing it off. Yes, it still would have been a problem for the US, but I think the US would have reacted sooner to the problem rather than when it did, and maybe it would have lessened the impact.
 
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impish said:
I'd disagree, mostly because Biden wouldn't have left key positions empty when he came into office. Positions that deal with disease epidemics. Biden would have taken it seriously when it became a problem in the EU, where Trump was still laughing it off. Yes, it still would have been a problem for the US, but I think the US would have reacted sooner to the problem rather than when it did, and maybe it would have lessened the impact.
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It is easy to point out the deficiencies of Trump and gloss over the deficiencies of the liberals. Many leading liberals are more concerned about pandering to the BLM and the transgender communities than improving the well-being of the majority.

Biden isn’t a proactive person. He is a not the best leader in times of crisis I would suggest. If he becomes President, let’s see what he does.
 
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MossBoss said:
It is easy to point out the deficiencies of Trump and gloss over the deficiencies of the liberals. Many leading liberals are more concerned about pandering to the BLM and the transgender communities than improving the well-being of the majority.

Biden isn’t a proactive person. He is a not the best leader in times of crisis I would suggest. If he becomes President, let’s see what he does.
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It's quite sad, watching Biden attempt to placate the BLM/CHOP/CHAZ radicals (on the rare occasion he gives a carefully scripted speech from his basement) now that they've been forced on him in whatever deal he cut with Bernie for the endorsement. But what's really pathetic is that as much as Democrats hate Trump, they've had three years to come up with a decent candidate to boot him and the best they could find is a senile geriatric DC lifer who's been part of the establishment for almost 50 years. I mean, shit, HILLARY would've been a better choice.

If the DNC wanted to beat Trump they should've looked for a JFK-type figure. Someone moderate, reasonable, likeable. Someone who could've attracted stray conservatives and Republicans who aren't particularly thrilled with Trump's behavior, and brought normal, sane, moderate Americans from either side together. The ironic part is that were he alive today, with today's radical standards and the leftist/marxist agenda hijacking the Democratic party, JFK would've been considered a right-wing racist/sexist/misogynist/fascist/everything-ist bigoted white supremacist rich Irish piece of shit and the ANTIFA douchebags probably would've tried burning down the Kennedy Compound. I mean, god forbid you have a leader who says you should actually work for a living, pay your own way through life, support your country and constitution and respect military service.

Of course, that's not to say the GOP has found any real gems over the past years, either. I remember back in 2012 being disgusted with Romney and seeing Newt Gingrich (yeah, say what you will) as being the best-positioned to boot Obama. Obviously I was wrong. And then I ended up meeting Newt and his wife at an event I was managing and instantly regretted voting for him. Same thing in 2016, when my favored candidate was Gov. Scott Walker and I was being asked to help staff the state-level apparatus. To this day, I still don't know how he managed to torpedo his fucking primary campaign as effectively as he did. I liked the guy, his backstory and record, and then I ended up meeting him at an event I was running. Arrogant prick turned me off in ten seconds flat.

The only former presidential candidate I ever met that I genuinely liked was Mike Huckabee, back in 2017 when we were all still trying to figure out how to deal with the Trump presidency. You can say what you want about a lot of his positions, and I'm obviously not a devout Christian so they don't do much for me, but Huckabee is a fucking stand-up guy. I was assigned as his handler at a big fundraiser and placed in charge of all the usual bullshit like media and press relations and general security, and he was nothing but nice and decent and generous and gracious as fuck. Being around politicians for so many years I was stunned. If he ever runs for the big seat again, I will come out of political exile to staff his campaign in the off chance they even want me. And the same goes for Mike Pence, who was even nicer to me than Huckabee. When you meet national-level politicians who actually aren't complete fucking assholes, it's a pretty big deal.

But again, my prediction still stands. The Moderna vaccines trials will be announced as successful in September. Trump will gleefully report rushed FDA approval in October and take credit for all of it. Stock market surges, employment numbers surge, Trump is handily re-elected and I spend my new year shivering and shaking from the side-effects of my COVID vaccine and getting ready for my Kabukicho reunion.
 
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impish said:
I'd disagree, mostly because Biden wouldn't have left key positions empty when he came into office. Positions that deal with disease epidemics. Biden would have taken it seriously when it became a problem in the EU, where Trump was still laughing it off. Yes, it still would have been a problem for the US, but I think the US would have reacted sooner to the problem rather than when it did, and maybe it would have lessened the impact.
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that’s the key : not so much Biden himself , but whether he can surround himself with competent people and listen to them and ideally retain them . Unlike Mr « I have the best people » ... meaning Jared, Ivanka and S.Miller , the ones still at their job after 4 years (and who haven’t written a tell-all book about the chaos at WH)
 
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Keihan Chikan said:
The Moderna vaccines trials will be announced as successful in September. Trump will gleefully report rushed FDA approval in October and take credit for all of it. Stock market surges, employment numbers surge, Trump is handily re-elected and I spend my new year shivering and shaking from the side-effects of my COVID vaccine and getting ready for my Kabukicho reunion.
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Taking the Trump Vaccine could severely limit your travel options ..... if not your life. ;)
 
Frenchy said:
that’s the key : not so much Biden himself , but whether he can surround himself with competent people and listen to them and ideally retain them . Unlike Mr « I have the best people » ... meaning Jared, Ivanka and S.Miller , the ones still at their job after 4 years (and who haven’t written a tell-all book about the chaos at WH)
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Read the articles about Biden’s potential running mates. It seems like the trailer trash community will be represented at least.
 
MossBoss said:
Read the articles about Biden’s potential running mates. It seems like the trailer trash community will be represented at least.
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Strange, I thought those types were more likely to vote Trump ?
 
Hopefully in 2024 the Democrats will offer up a candidate who’s is either female, black or Latino. The US needs a change in direction. The Democrats need to step up to the plate.

P.S. Obama was a coconut politician so sadly can’t be included as a black president.

God bless America.
 
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