Some Cowardly And Xenophobic Japanese Guys

[johnnyboy84]

Well, if I saw "No Foreigners" on let's say at a Japanese MacDonald's or Gusto or public transportation or any other place where people gather than I would have an issue with it. With just exclusively these service establishments which this forum is for, then I ultimately have no issue with it.

 

[GoldenDalton]

Well, if I saw "No Foreigners" on let's say at a Japanese MacDonald's or Gusto or public transportation or any other place where people gather than I would have an issue with it. With just exclusively these service establishments which this forum is for, then I ultimately have no issue with it.

Yeah I get what you're saying totally. The chance of a misunderstanding causing a problem are high in the adult industry.

 

[Solong]

Well, if I saw "No Foreigners" on let's say at a Japanese MacDonald's or Gusto or public transportation or any other place where people gather than I would have an issue with it. With just exclusively these service establishments which this forum is for, then I ultimately have no issue with it.

Japanese discrimination and xenophobia DOES extend to housing, jobs, hospital/medical treatment, etc...

The UN sent a special investigator to Japan in 2005 who concluded racism is 'deep and profound'. Google it.

However, after living in Japan for many years, I've noticed that one has to make a distinction between xenophobia and extreme nationalism versus racism. The label of racism, doesn't quite cover what Japan is doing.

Japan doesn't have laws against racial discrimination in general. For the most part, Japanese companies or institutions are free to be as racist as they like and not be subject to any legal penalties. For example- Japanese housing and apartment owners routinely practice discrimination against renting apartments to foreigners, something tourists wouldn't likely know about.

Japan, to cover up it's problem with institutional discrimination and ostracism against foreigners, does have some laws covering hotels and restaurants. They are specifically aimed at protecting tourists (and getting their MONEY). Hotels and restaurants are NOT allowed to deny service based on country of origin or race. This is what partially fools tourists about Japan. Mcdonalds in Japan could NEVER get away with banning foreigners and it's an international entity. But, this doesn't extend to other domestic JAPANESE businesses.

It's very important to be aware of the distinction between International bussiness versus a domestic only Japanese business. A domestic only Japanese business can often legally get away with all kinds of racist and anti-foreigner practices, provided they don't bring too much negative political and international attention towards themselves.

There are many famous cases where Japanese discos, onsens, jewellery stores, apartment owners, human resource (HR) departments, etc... have denied access to foreigners.

Japan also has bullying and ostracism. That is, teasing and harrassing people that are different OR banning them from their group. Ostracizing people is a particularly nasty tactic used by many groups of Japanese and aligns with their groupism.

Japanese xenophobia isn't violent, like forms of White racism. Those under White racist ideology, will often violently attack people of color, Jews, or foreigners. This is because there is a feeling of being racially superior versus just extreme nationalism. The KKK, Neo-Nazi, and other White racist groups believe in committing race based genocide.

There aren't the Japanese equivalent to the KKK burning crosses and trying to lynch people. The Japanese police and government wouldn't tolerate such groups and would crush them immediately. NOT out of benevolence, but because those groups are BAD for BUSINESS. Japan depends on exports. Killing people that you are trying to sell products to and do business with, doesn't go together. Japanese being on TV killing and lunching Chinese wouldn't go over well when negotiating opening a new factory in China or trying to get them to buy their cars.

In addition, the Japanese police have EXTREME powers that police in other countries don't. The Japanese police can EASILY arrest ALL members of a KKK-like group with NO warrants and INTERROGATE them for 10 days with NO lawyers present. Clearly, they can easily crack nearly any small group, especially if politically motivated. So Japanese anti-foreigner and ultra right-wing groups try to be NON-violent to avoid the police. Their hate for foreigners has to be done quietly and sneakily, thus institutional discrimination and ostracism in areas they control. That is the place from which those "No Foreigners Allowed" signs come from or the seemingly odd "cold shoulder" when outside tourist areas.

Foreigners, generally speaking, are only just barely tolerated in Japan for tourist money, business, or serving some purpose under Japanese control.

 

[johnnyboy84]

I am aware of such practices thanks to Arudou Debito, but I have never experienced the extremism of such discriminatory policies in housing, bath houses, etc. nor do I know anyone personally that has and I have friends all around Japan (I moved here after 2005). The only time I have experienced it is when I want to use a soap land or whatever, but I am not complaining about it since they are illegal in my home country anyway.

But in America, businesses also have the right "to refuse service to anyone" as well.

 

[Solong]

I am aware of such practices thanks to Arudou Debito, but I have never experienced the extremism of such discriminatory policies in housing, bath houses, etc. nor do I know anyone personally that has and I have friends all around Japan (I moved here after 2005). The only time I have experienced it is when I want to use a soap land or whatever, but I am not complaining about it since they are illegal in my home country anyway.

But in America, businesses also have the right "to refuse service to anyone" as well.

I have beyond being able to count and all of my foreign friends have experienced various levels of discrimination in Japan. I'm talking Germans, Australians, Russians, Egyptians, Turkish, East-Indian, etc...

It's usually non-violent, and more annoying than anything, but can be humiliating and upsetting. But, you can often work around it, so your tolerance and perception of it is equally important.

Like if you walk into a housing agency and they deny you service or you find out later that they lied about an apartment being available. Yes, you can find other housing agencies that are very accepting of foreigners. But some people can be very upset by those they are rejected by (especially if they are a foreigner), while others are not. Luck can also be a factor in which companies the foreigner happens to interact with. Not to mention if you are a blonde and blue eyed White person, versus a dark skinned East Indian or Black African.

America is racially and ethnically diverse and has legally embraced racial diversity, thus a Black president for example, as well as numerous laws against discrimination.

Japan doesn't acknowledge its ethnic or racial diversity. A bi-racial or multi-ethnic person in Japan will often claim to be Japanese to fit in. There are numerous mixes with Koreans, Chinese, Filipinos, Thai, East Indian, Russian, European, etc... As long as the person is somewhat light skinned (as there are darker skinned/tanning Japanese), and act Japanese, they can blend it. Especially if the father is Japanese and the kids take his name. But officially the political line is Japan is 99% pure, which is absurd, but people in Japan don't question it.

The problem is Japan is backwards and has made little progress in embracing diversity since the 1950s, where America and Western countries have.

Arguably, Japan embraces diversity only to the MINIMUM extent that is economically and politically necessary. Don't expect a bi-racial or even say an openly Korean-Japanese governor of Tokyo or Prime Minister any time soon.

So comparing diversity between Japan and say America or Canada, is like apples and oranges. And the lack of diversity in Japan, is what partially makes many Japanese with no international experience so weird and awkward to interact with. The Japanese seemingly exist in a bubble.

 

[GoldenDalton]

I have beyond being able to count and all of my foreign friends have experienced various levels of discrimination in Japan. I'm talking Germans, Australians, Russians, Egyptians, Turkish, East-Indian, etc...

It's usually non-violent, and more annoying than anything, but can be humiliating and upsetting. But, you can often work around it, so your tolerance and perception of it is equally important.

Like if you walk into a housing agency and they deny you service or you find out later that they lied about an apartment being available. Yes, you can find other housing agencies that are very accepting of foreigners. But some people can be very upset by those they are rejected by (especially if they are a foreigner), while others are not. Luck can also be a factor in which companies the foreigner happens to interact with. Not to mention if you are a blonde and blue eyed White person, versus a dark skinned East Indian or Black African.

America is racially and ethnically diverse and has legally embraced racial diversity, thus a Black president for example, as well as numerous laws against discrimination.

Japan doesn't acknowledge its ethnic or racial diversity. A bi-racial or multi-ethnic person in Japan will often claim to be Japanese to fit in. There are numerous mixes with Koreans, Chinese, Filipinos, Thai, East Indian, Russian, European, etc... As long as the person is somewhat light skinned (as there are darker skinned/tanning Japanese), and act Japanese, they can blend it. Especially if the father is Japanese and the kids take his name. But officially the political line is Japan is 99% pure, which is absurd, but people in Japan don't question it.

The problem is Japan is backwards and has made little progress in embracing diversity since the 1950s, where America and Western countries have.

Arguably, Japan embraces diversity only to the MINIMUM extent that is economically and politically necessary. Don't expect a bi-racial or even say an openly Korean-Japanese governor of Tokyo or Prime Minister any time soon.

So comparing diversity between Japan and say America or Canada, is like apples and oranges. And the lack of diversity in Japan, is what partially makes many Japanese with no international experience so weird and awkward to interact with. The Japanese seemingly exist in a bubble.

This is sort of off-topic, but I think white racism in the west is a little overhyped AT THE PRESENT MOMENT only. I feel like since the president was elected in 2008, there has been an increasing amount of black on non-black racism. The excuse is always, " we never kept you from getting a loan," or something like that, evey time a white,Hispanic, or Asian person is murdered. It's weird. In my city an elderly Vietnamese man was beaten to death as part of the infamous "knockout game," which has now become a daily concern, yet the national media doesn't ever report it for some reason, and actually denies it exists. In St. Louis it's mostly Asians who get shit on by it but it affects everyone, even law- abiding blacks are not spared by this.

The worst racism I've ever witnessed was is Nigeria. I went to see a museum on the southern coast dedicated to the memory of the slave trade, and there were many Americans there. The locals ruthlessly mocked the black Americans. They brought one lady to years. It was surreal- a white man was the only one there to comfort her. I think part of that is that black Americans tend to idealize Africa and when they get there and find out they are not accepted they get depressed, kind of like American Otaku going to Japan.

I don't know, just random thoughts. All forms of prejudice disgust me, though I can see where the Japanese are coming from in terms of preserving culture, etc.

 

[TAG Manager]

It's weird. In my city an elderly Vietnamese man was beaten to death as part of the infamous "knockout game," which has now become a daily concern, yet the national media doesn't ever report it for some reason, and actually denies it exists. In St. Louis it's mostly Asians who get shit on by it but it affects everyone, even law- abiding blacks are not spared by this.

This is still going on? I saw some videos on this a year or more ago....

 

[GoldenDalton]

This is still going on? I saw some videos on this a year or more ago....

Oh yeah. Absolutely. It's actually becoming more common in both STL and Kansas City. But I'm wondering how long it will last, given the severe rise in concealed carry permits and people anticipating being attacked.

 

[GoldenDalton]

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/05/02/knockout-game-killer-gets-life-sentence-for-st-louis-attack/

It's so damn weird how the media denies it, and hell regular people too, all the while people are walking around on edge.

Makes me wanna live in Japan long term lol.

 

[Solong]

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/05/02/knockout-game-killer-gets-life-sentence-for-st-louis-attack/

It's so damn weird how the media denies it, and hell regular people too, all the while people are walking around on edge.

Makes me wanna live in Japan long term lol.

I'm confused how this relates to Japan. But policing and views on socialism are different here. The Japanese police are part of the neighborhoods and learn the people in them. And people don't want to screw with the Japanese police, because they can snatch you up at ANY time and question you. Furthermore, Japanese unemployment is LOW. They believe in providing JOBs for their people. So you don't see knockout games, and you can even have a beer machine on the street and it not get tipped over and robbed.

 

[TAG Manager]

I was in the U.S. recently and realized I had really let my guard down (from being in Japan so long...). Quickly realized that was a bad idea and went into hyper-watch-my-ass-mode.

Funny though, some Japanese salaryman got pissed off and slammed his hand on the window of a Marunouchi line car this afternoon, just as it was about to leave the station. (just as the doors closed in his face) I guess that's the biggest shock some people will see that were present for that display of attitude. He stomped away, it was quite a view...

And about the media, most of it is pretty terrible. At least after I came to Japan, I now read and absorb a few different streams of information. I can make up my own mind on what to swallow!

 

[TAG Manager]

So you don't see knockout games, and you can even have a beer machine on the street and it not get tipped over and robbed.

Gonna butt in on this one, some of those 'bored' kids/adults playing those frightful knockout games could get jobs if they really wanted to. However, they usually don't want to do that 'kind' of work that they are suited for. Instead of being responsible, they are out doing shit like that.

...and while the beer machines are tipping over, the after-work salarymen are the ones leaning off sidewalks, about to tip over. lol.

 

[GoldenDalton]

I'm confused how this relates to Japan. But policing and views on socialism are different here. The Japanese police are part of the neighborhoods and learn the people in them. And people don't want to screw with the Japanese police, because they can snatch you up at ANY time and question you. Furthermore, Japanese unemployment is LOW. They believe in providing JOBs for their people. So you don't see knockout games, and you can even have a beer machine on the street and it not get tipped over and robbed.

It's not really relevant to Japan, other than contrast. If there were beer machines here they'd be tipped over the night they were installed. I can't even keep a jack o lantern on my porch at Halloween.

I'm moving out to the country soon, for a permanent residence, even if I settle in Venezuela

 

[GoldenDalton]

Gonna butt in on this one, some of those 'bored' kids/adults playing those frightful knockout games could get jobs if they really wanted to. However, they usually don't want to do that 'kind' of work that they are suited for. Instead of being responsible, they are out doing shit like that.

...and while the beer machines are tipping over, the after-work salarymen are the ones leaning off sidewalks, about to tip over. lol.

Yeah there are actually jobs available, but they're seen as demeaning so people won't do them, THEN they get on a high horse and get angry when an immigrant works hard and gets promoted through one of those undesirable jobs. A lot of the reason for the anti- Asian, anti-Latino attitudes amongst the welfare culture here.

 

[TAG Manager]

Yeah there are actually jobs available, but they're seen as demeaning so people won't do them, THEN they get on a high horse and get angry when an immigrant works hard and gets promoted through one of those undesirable jobs. A lot of the reason for the anti- Asian, anti-Latino attitudes amongst the welfare culture here.

That may be relevant to Japan if more migrants start taking more jobs in construction or manufacturing. Especially construction as the Olympics move closer. In the business world, I keep seeing work deferred to India for the simple factor of cost. To be frank, you get what you pay for... the stuff I get back from India, is pretty f-in horrible. (no offense to those workers) I'm not really sure that we're saving money after the review time spent locally to fix the work done offshore, which could have been done right the first time locally. Anyway, that's another rant for another day....

 

[johnnyboy84]

I have beyond being able to count and all of my foreign friends have experienced various levels of discrimination in Japan. I'm talking Germans, Australians, Russians, Egyptians, Turkish, East-Indian, etc...

It's usually non-violent, and more annoying than anything, but can be humiliating and upsetting. But, you can often work around it, so your tolerance and perception of it is equally important.

Like if you walk into a housing agency and they deny you service or you find out later that they lied about an apartment being available. Yes, you can find other housing agencies that are very accepting of foreigners. But some people can be very upset by those they are rejected by (especially if they are a foreigner), while others are not. Luck can also be a factor in which companies the foreigner happens to interact with. Not to mention if you are a blonde and blue eyed White person, versus a dark skinned East Indian or Black African.

America is racially and ethnically diverse and has legally embraced racial diversity, thus a Black president for example, as well as numerous laws against discrimination.

Japan doesn't acknowledge its ethnic or racial diversity. A bi-racial or multi-ethnic person in Japan will often claim to be Japanese to fit in. There are numerous mixes with Koreans, Chinese, Filipinos, Thai, East Indian, Russian, European, etc... As long as the person is somewhat light skinned (as there are darker skinned/tanning Japanese), and act Japanese, they can blend it. Especially if the father is Japanese and the kids take his name. But officially the political line is Japan is 99% pure, which is absurd, but people in Japan don't question it.

The problem is Japan is backwards and has made little progress in embracing diversity since the 1950s, where America and Western countries have.

Arguably, Japan embraces diversity only to the MINIMUM extent that is economically and politically necessary. Don't expect a bi-racial or even say an openly Korean-Japanese governor of Tokyo or Prime Minister any time soon.

So comparing diversity between Japan and say America or Canada, is like apples and oranges. And the lack of diversity in Japan, is what partially makes many Japanese with no international experience so weird and awkward to interact with. The Japanese seemingly exist in a bubble.

I am not flat out denying it happens because I don't know anybody or even myself has experience systematic discrimination first hand here in Japan. The closest I have gotten to it beyond the sex industry is just cops asking me for my ID or papers or whatever and that's it. I have heard of what you are typing through the media but nobody close to me has personally experienced it. If it hasn't happened to me or anybody I know, then hey, we must be lucky.

A huge part of their backwards mentality is that it's populated by the old folks and the young people are apathetic to social issues and not producing children. So they're stuck in the old ways because of jerk offs like Ishiharat.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/05/02/knockout-game-killer-gets-life-sentence-for-st-louis-attack/

It's so damn weird how the media denies it, and hell regular people too, all the while people are walking around on edge.

Makes me wanna live in Japan long term lol.

I heard about a white dude doing it some time ago and he got charged with a hate crime. But I did hear from a friend of a friend that he saw something akin to the knock out game in Kabukicho a year ago.

I have only been engaged in two street fights here in Japan and there was one I intervened in where I ended up saving a yakuza.

 

[Keiji]

Japanese discrimination and xenophobia DOES extend to housing, jobs, hospital/medical treatment, etc...

The UN sent a special investigator to Japan in 2005 who concluded racism is 'deep and profound'. Google it.

[...]

Japan doesn't have laws against racial discrimination in general. For the most part, Japanese companies or institutions are free to be as racist as they like and not be subject to any legal penalties. For example- Japanese housing and apartment owners routinely practice discrimination against renting apartments to foreigners, something tourists wouldn't likely know about.

[...]

Foreigners, generally speaking, are only just barely tolerated in Japan for tourist money, business, or serving some purpose under Japanese control.

[...]

Like if you walk into a housing agency and they deny you service or you find out later that they lied about an apartment being available. Yes, you can find other housing agencies that are very accepting of foreigners. But some people can be very upset by those they are rejected by (especially if they are a foreigner), while others are not. Luck can also be a factor in which companies the foreigner happens to interact with. Not to mention if you are a blonde and blue eyed White person, versus a dark skinned East Indian or Black African.

I always get upset to read comments like "there has been an investigation in 2005"... but no reference or weblink to a source. Because its like saying go find it if you are lucky. Of course Im not saying there is no documentation about it.


Everything else said I find no objection but the part that Japanese Real States discrimate foreigners unless for tourist money, business or serving undercover purpose is 100% false.

Have you ever had Brazilian neighbours in Japan? I had the misfortune experience myself. They have the habit to make home parties on a Wednesday until 6:00AM with loud music (like a dance club high volume) without giving the slightest consideration towards the others who wake up early the next day and go to work or study. If that wasnt bad enough, the morning after you will find all their garbage at the front of YOUR house. And they wont clean it up. Their behavior is so uncivilized to the point where the line between human beings and animals grow thin, and I dont want to offend the animals.

The Japanese reaction is to talk problems out but end-up with no positive solution. So myself and others had then gone to complain to both the Real State agencies and the Police. And the only thing that can be done is to give them "warnings".

The long term effect is the depopulation of your neighbourhood of Japanese people... (Imagine yourself losing neighbour friends you made along the years.)

How is the presence of "these" barbaric tribes "POSITIVE" FOR BUSINESS?

People here myself included chose to leave town before using physical violence and the more I think about it... maybe we should just go and beat the shit out of them... more effective...

There are disctricts that are no longer "Japanese" anymore. Totally ruined neighbourhoods. Too many Japanese had left these areas... here you have a considerable vote base favoring Ishihara.

I have heard the same case rised up in certain American disctricts that had the income of ghetto people.

Now all this is certainly "A" good reason to deny residence permission of foreigners... The tourists/visitors will come and see all the city disaster and talk bad about Japan and the Japanese. There is no good/profit at all to have these gaijins around and among us. Land value goes down and Real State companies will break... then where will they get money from? You cant just move houses and apartments like plant/flower pots.

 

[GoldenDalton]

I always get upset to read comments like "there has been an investigation in 2005"... but no reference or weblink to a source. Because its like saying go find it if you are lucky. Of course Im not saying there is no documentation about it.


Everything else said I find no objection but the part that Japanese Real States discrimate foreigners unless for tourist money, business or serving undercover purpose is 100% false.

Have you ever had Brazilian neighbours in Japan? I had the misfortune experience myself. They have the habit to make home parties on a Wednesday until 6:00AM with loud music (like a dance club high volume) without giving the slightest consideration towards the others who wake up early the next day and go to work or study. If that wasnt bad enough, the morning after you will find all their garbage at the front of YOUR house. And they wont clean it up. Their behavior is so uncivilized to the point where the line between human beings and animals grow thin, and I dont want to offend the animals.

The Japanese reaction is to talk problems out but end-up with no positive solution. So myself and others had then gone to complain to both the Real State agencies and the Police. And the only thing that can be done is to give them "warnings".

The long term effect is the depopulation of your neighbourhood of Japanese people... (Imagine yourself losing neighbour friends you made along the years.)

How is the presence of "these" barbaric tribes "POSITIVE" FOR BUSINESS?

People here myself included chose to leave town before using physical violence and the more I think about it... maybe we should just go and beat the shit out of them... more effective...

There are disctricts that are no longer "Japanese" anymore. Totally ruined neighbourhoods. Too many Japanese had left these areas... here you have a considerable vote base favoring Ishihara.

I have heard the same case rised up in certain American disctricts that had the income of ghetto people.

Now all this is certainly "A" good reason to deny residence permission of foreigners... The tourists/visitors will come and see all the city disaster and talk bad about Japan and the Japanese. There is no good/profit at all to have these gaijins around and among us. Land value goes down and Real State companies will break... then where will they get money from? You cant just move houses and apartments like plant/flower pots.

It sucks that Japanese cities experience the same destruction U.S. ones do due to these issues.

Japanese have a right to protect their culture and race. I think it's we Westerners who have lost touch there.

But at the same time, while I understand not wanting mass immigration, I do think the people traveling as tourists or living there temporarily as business people could be treated a little better.

I will be there 1-6 months at a time, but I have no plans to ever " settle" there.

And I can empathize with the Brazilian issue. Their attitudes towards life are the complete opposite of that of most people in Japan.

But I do have to ask just out of curiosity- are we Western foreigners viewed as destroyers in the same way? I hope not.

The biggest concern to me are the younger guys who go out there thinking they will live the Otaku dream. I don't like it that many of these folks are weirdos and some Japanese may view all Westerners based off of those interactions.

 

[johnnyboy84]

My parents live in Arizona. Try going to the grocery stores and the fast food joints just down the street from where you went to high school and the people who work there don't speak a fucking lick of English. Hell, the fucking manager doesn't speak English as well.

 

[Solong]

@Keiji

(Japan Racism 'Deep and Profound')

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/4671687.stm

(Japan's Entrenched Discrimination Towards Foreigners)

http://www.japanfocus.org/-The_Asahi_Shimbun_Culture_Research_Center-/2932

(Highly Racist Japanese group publishes extreme propaganda and lies- Gaijin Hanzai Ura File)

http://japanfocus.org/-Arudou-Debito/2386

http://www.stippy.com/book-reviews/racist-magazine-gaijin-hanzai-ura-file-1/
(Breaks down racist magazine content and has pictures... interracial dating is also depicted as if a crime by this racist group).

Many Japanese try to choose not to see discrimination and racism, because they think it reflects poorly on their country, so try to hide or deny the problem.

And it's never good to tell long term residents of Japan that they are not experiencing something that they have seen repeated with their own eyes. Don't get it wrong, I think Japan is relatively a great country, but I rather be honest than hide from the truth.

Japanese cities are not being overrun by foreigners, nor is there any foreign "crime wave". As a whole, foreigners commit LESS crime than native Japanese (minus visa violations). Visa violations is another con game used by certain politicians to artificially boost foreign crime statistics. Visa violations are of course non-violent and almost always NOT a threat to the Japanese public.

Japanese immigration also keeps extremely tight restrictions on foreigners that get work and resident visas in Japan.

A lot of Japanese politicians use foreigners in political campaigns and propaganda to create artificial fear and hysteria to get votes. It's a very underhanded and vile political trick.

 

[johnnyboy84]

Outside of the fuzoku industry, I have never had any experiences with systematic discrimination.

First, there are instances that the business may let you in, but at the same time, that doesn't stop the working girls the right to refuse to accept them as customers.

 

[jacqueh]

Have you ever had Brazilian neighbours in Japan? I had the misfortune experience myself. They have the habit to make home parties on a Wednesday until 6:00AM with loud music (like a dance club high volume) without giving the slightest consideration towards the others who wake up early the next day and go to work or study. If that wasnt bad enough, the morning after you will find all their garbage at the front of YOUR house. And they wont clean it up. Their behavior is so uncivilized to the point where the line between human beings and animals grow thin, and I dont want to offend the animals.

Oh wow. Not all Brazilians are like this. This comment is so abrasive and racist, it tells more about you than about those neighbours.

Last time I had a neighbour making noise late, I told him not to do this again, and that was done. I even, myself, played music too loud by daytime when a neighbour of mine was studying, and he came to see me to complain. I apologized, then stopped, and that was it.

The long term effect is the depopulation of your neighbourhood of Japanese people... (Imagine yourself losing neighbour friends you made along the years.)

Source, or I call either BS or poor overblown anecdotal evidence.

Land value goes down and Real State companies will break... then where will they get money from? You cant just move houses and apartments like plant/flower pots.

There you clearly have no idea what you're talking about. First, even if, for some reason, land price was crashing to oblivion in Japan (let's say, some unrealistic 50%), real estate companies would still make money (wanna know how? well it would be just like in the south, 50% cheaper, and they don't break). Second, you have about 2m foreigners in Japan (including tourists), and as far as I know, neighbourhoods like Roppongi, with a lot of foreigners, have an incredibly high land price. Nothing supports your rant.

If you want to say that foreigners do shit in Japan or that Japanese people are right to want them out, say it, but don't cover it with bullshit economic analysis.

 

[Tkyoguy]

Somehow I never experienced any direct racism besides the usual institutional stuff like needing the foreign residents card even for having a Japanese telephone number...

 

[Keiji]

And I can empathize with the Brazilian issue. Their attitudes towards life are the complete opposite of that of most people in Japan.

But I do have to ask just out of curiosity- are we Western foreigners viewed as destroyers in the same way? I hope not.

In my personal life, I had to move twice due to Brazial neighbours. Everytime I went to talk to them (and believe me I can be very diplomatic, specialy since I know the outworld from having spent several years in different countries so Im pretty open-minded and understanding) they all start to answer starting with: "In Brazil these things are done like this ..." But there is a problem...this is not Brazil. To keep on going..."We will keep our traditions..." So they dont give a shit about Japan. Im done with these guys.

Everything depends from each persons view.
Talking about myself and only myself:
I see Europeans and Americans with higher standarts than Brazilians. Mostly because all the foreigners I have met from EU and US were educated and cultured. Most of this visitors/inmigrants have degrees or proffesions. While Brazil people dont at all, a few will but very few. I guess anybody can find the difference in a matter of short time.

To the question foreingers are destroyers? I say yes. And will give you two examples.

* When you walk the streets of Japan and watch both Japanese and foreigners, I have found this:

Choose in your mind any ground insect that you like...

Japanese reaction: Pick-up and place it in the nearest green area, if not an insect lover who would take it back home to include in his/her collection.

Foreign reaction: Smash it with a strong footstep.

I see a difference in preservation if Life and the joyce of death/kill/murder.


* When you place some kids toys... like contrustion bricks (dont know word in English) but little plastic square blocks that allow players to build up whatever they want:

Japanese interaction: Cruisers, airplanes, spaceships, buildings.
Foreigners interaction: Guns, machine guns, weapons.

This is particularly common from Americans compared to other gaijins from other contries.

I have a lot of respect towards Americans (non-militars, those NOT mostly aka gorilas with guns) due to the amount of US people are higher or were in my 20s clubbing time and also because most US guys and gals I met were awesome friends. To give you an idea... I was very close to travel to America just to keep a relationship but I wasnt ready to leave Japan. Ask that same question now and I might be intersted, so long as the connection is real of emotion not out of interst.
Same with European guys but were only less than 25% compared to US people that I met, so I dont know Euro guys as much as US guys.

Brazilians...

@Keiji

Many Japanese try to choose not to see discrimination and racism, because they think it reflects poorly on their country, so try to hide or deny the problem.

And it's never good to tell long term residents of Japan that they are not experiencing something that they have seen repeated with their own eyes. Don't get it wrong, I think Japan is relatively a great country, but I rather be honest than hide from the truth.

I have talked these issues with my surroundings several times. I wouldnt say choose NOT TO SEE, DENY or HIDE. I have lived in different Japanese states because as I said long ago, I cant stand to always be at a same place for long. When you are in any other state that is not neighbour of Tokyo or Tokyo itself. There is a large population who had never ever once left their state or less of all gone to visit/play or whatever to TOKYO itself, to the point that I have a hard time to tell them about the Metropolis itself. I dont see why should the FOREIGNERS be a topic of interest unless somebody likes an artist, sports senshu, celebrity from the outside. No Japanese is technically forced to be awared of what happens with foreigners.

For the second paragraph, I have seen foreigners living in most of the cities I have been, not that I particularly cared to run a one-man sensus myself. So to me somehow...all these people are finding locations.

What are all these?
http://classifieds.metropolis.co.jp/category/find-a-place/rent-under-200000-yen

http://classifieds.metropolis.co.jp/category/find-a-place/rent-over-200000-yen

And about being honest than hide from the truth that is an awesome feature, because I myself share it too if only you were to add the counterparts...that would make you whole in my opinion.

Most of what people from abroad critise Japanese I find them overwhelmenly annoying when I start to recall or remember how every same topic was FOR ME, when I was in your countrry. So if somebody were to also recognise and admit their own local issues toward foreigners. People that can do this counterpart have the tendency to write more carefully. Sure here there are no other Japanese reading/replying so most users here will write mindlessly without thinking that some time in the future natives might dive to this forum and participate.

I have respect for both Dalton and Solong, its just that this is quite a hot topic.

 

[GoldenDalton]

In my personal life, I had to move twice due to Brazial neighbours. Everytime I went to talk to them (and believe me I can be very diplomatic, specialy since I know the outworld from having spent several years in different countries so Im pretty open-minded and understanding) they all start to answer starting with: "In Brazil these things are done like this ..." But there is a problem...this is not Brazil. To keep on going..."We will keep our traditions..." So they dont give a shit about Japan. Im done with these guys.

Everything depends from each persons view.
Talking about myself and only myself:
I see Europeans and Americans with higher standarts than Brazilians. Mostly because all the foreigners I have met from EU and US were educated and cultured. Most of this visitors/inmigrants have degrees or proffesions. While Brazil people dont at all, a few will but very few. I guess anybody can find the difference in a matter of short time.

To the question foreingers are destroyers? I say yes. And will give you two examples.

* When you walk the streets of Japan and watch both Japanese and foreigners, I have found this:

Choose in your mind any ground insect that you like...

Japanese reaction: Pick-up and place it in the nearest green area, if not an insect lover who would take it back home to include in his/her collection.

Foreign reaction: Smash it with a strong footstep.

I see a difference in preservation if Life and the joyce of death/kill/murder.


* When you place some kids toys... like contrustion bricks (dont know word in English) but little plastic square blocks that allow players to build up whatever they want:

Japanese interaction: Cruisers, airplanes, spaceships, buildings.
Foreigners interaction: Guns, machine guns, weapons.

This is particularly common from Americans compared to other gaijins from other contries.

I have a lot of respect towards Americans (non-militars, those NOT mostly aka gorilas with guns) due to the amount of US people are higher or were in my 20s clubbing time and also because most US guys and gals I met were awesome friends. To give you an idea... I was very close to travel to America just to keep a relationship but I wasnt ready to leave Japan. Ask that same question now and I might be intersted, so long as the connection is real of emotion not out of interst.
Same with European guys but were only less than 25% compared to US people that I met, so I dont know Euro guys as much as US guys.

Brazilians...



I have talked these issues with my surroundings several times. I wouldnt say choose NOT TO SEE, DENY or HIDE. I have lived in different Japanese states because as I said long ago, I cant stand to always be at a same place for long. When you are in any other state that is not neighbour of Tokyo or Tokyo itself. There is a large population who had never ever once left their state or less of all gone to visit/play or whatever to TOKYO itself, to the point that I have a hard time to tell them about the Metropolis itself. I dont see why should the FOREIGNERS be a topic of interest unless somebody likes an artist, sports senshu, celebrity from the outside. No Japanese is technically forced to be awared of what happens with foreigners.

For the second paragraph, I have seen foreigners living in most of the cities I have been, not that I particularly cared to run a one-man sensus myself. So to me somehow...all these people are finding locations.

What are all these?
http://classifieds.metropolis.co.jp/category/find-a-place/rent-under-200000-yen

http://classifieds.metropolis.co.jp/category/find-a-place/rent-over-200000-yen

And about being honest than hide from the truth that is an awesome feature, because I myself share it too if only you were to add the counterparts...that would make you whole in my opinion.

Most of what people from abroad critise Japanese I find them overwhelmenly annoying when I start to recall or remember how every same topic was FOR ME, when I was in your countrry. So if somebody were to also recognise and admit their own local issues toward foreigners. People that can do this counterpart have the tendency to write more carefully. Sure here there are no other Japanese reading/replying so most users here will write mindlessly without thinking that some time in the future natives might dive to this forum and participate.

I have respect for both Dalton and Solong, its just that this is quite a hot topic.

I have respect for you too.
I absolutely hate it when people travel to a place, and then feel as though the place is backwards and the natives are rotten. I hate it no matter the country. In the U.K. it seems to be even worse than in the U.S. I respect the Japanese for not putting up with it; I wish we ( Americans) were more like them in that regard.

I think a lot of ex-pat Americans might have this entitled attitude in Japan ( and other countries) because our leaders refuse to allow us to have any kind of positive identity. Many Americans are programmed see any level of nationalism as a vicious sin. If Kabuchiko was in the U.S., you'd have professors lying about the benefits of " vibrant" Nigerians and diversity. And seeking to preserve your own society automatically identifies you with Hitler, according to all these left wing " progressives."

Case in point, the issue with Ebola. People in West Africa are dying, and somehow it's the fault of the U.S. , and we Americans who want to better police our borders are called racists or worse. We are expected to allow diseased people into our own nation. Really it is damn near suicidal
thinking.

In Japan the social norms are different. The Japanese are allowed by their leaders to have pride in their country and race. They are not forced to despise their own history like Americans are. The government explicitly protects the interest of its own people, at least on the surface, while the American government openly and deliberately imports millions of immigrants to help the elites keep wages low, and keep the left wing in power.

If I can be honest I admire the Japanese mentality more. The U.S. is in decline and it's partially the fault of all this idiotic left wing thinking. I hope that never becomes popular in Japan.

Just my thoughts.