Stateside service?

[Willful]

Really got to do research and digging in the US sadly. Good luck!

 

[Wwanderer]

I'm not sure what your point is. I've hobbied widely in the US and continue to do so, including at a large number of AMPs in various cities around the country.

This is not true. There's plenty of boards or other resources out there that have nationwide coverage- ECCIE.net, TER, and Preferred 411 to name 3 that are FAR more respected and reliable than the crap you'd find on Backpage.

You are either being overly dramatic or haven't really done your research on the hobby in the US.

Yes, it's illegal. Yes, there's a number of boards that have been taken down by the police or the feds. Yes, there's regular busts of AMPs and other escort services, but if you live in a larger city, it shouldn't really be a problem to find attractive escorts that provide good service at a fairly reasonable rate.

I have and for decades have had plenty of experience with p4p in the US, including especially the greater NYC area but really all over the country, and I second and confirm pretty much exactly what @meiji says above and find the picture @proconsul paints in his posts above completely inaccurate and highly misleading. He must live in a US located in some alternate universe.

Unless you are strongly averse to rather small legal risks (customers get busted only very rarely...unfair but true), my recommendation to @okayestvirgin is to have all the p4p fun you wish in the US. You want to do research and take reasonable precautions, but not particularly more so than in most other countries.

Moreover, you can see REALLY GOOD upscale indie escorts in the US a lot cheaper than taking major international trips.

-Ww

 

[meiji]

Unless you are strongly averse to rather small legal risks (customers get busted only very rarely...unfair but true), my recommendation to @okayestvirgin is to have all the p4p fun you wish in the US. You want to do research and take reasonable precautions, but not particularly more so than in most other countries.

This is a great point that needs to be called out further. The vast majority of busts out there are 'annoyance' types. People that get sick of obvious prostitution in their neighborhoods, be it streetwalkers or massage parlors. Most massage parlors get busted for health code violations or immigration, neither of which they really bust the guys involved for (although there's exceptions). As long as you aren't after either or those, and you take "reasonable precautions", as Ww said, your chances of getting busted are next to none. Reasonable precautions IMO being mainly only seeing escorts or agencies that are well-reviewed and being aware of behaviors and environments.

Examples of 'behaviors and environments' -

- Everyone smart in the hobby in the US, on both sides, never mention money or services prior to playtime. A provider can advertise GFE for $X/hr, but she's never going to text you saying it's $200/hr for full service. I see all sorts of women for the first time and I put them completely at ease by never asking such questions, and placing my 'donation' in plain sight soon after meeting them without mentioning or focusing on it. They are happy they are getting paid, I can kind of pretend the playtime is the important part of the meet up.

- As far as environments, I more or less avoid escorts that work out of really bad sections of town or cheap motels. A specific example- There was one time I went to an AAMP ("apartment asian massage parlor") where I'd been 2 or 3 times before, but I pulled into the parking lot and there was an (empty) cop car parked in the lot in a sight line for the building in question. I figured it would be fine, but out of caution I called and cancelled. Probably a little too cautious, but better safe than sorry.

I've been in the hobby in the US for like 10 years now and have never dealt directly with the police. Very, very few guys in the US get busted if you avoid streetwalkers. Just read reviews and be aware of what common practice is and use common sense.

 

[Karbon]

A few years ago I was in Vegas and playing alone at a slot machine: a thirty something girl approached me offering her services.
It happened also another time I was alone in Vegas, same technique. Also may be ten years ago I was in a hotel in Vegas and the lift would always
stop on the first floor and a - nice - lady would stand up in the entrance of the lift but would not enter it and then the doors would close with all men
in the elevator salivating . I thought it was a smart way to offer services without saying a word ...

 

[User#8628]

I have a question. About how much does service cost in the legal brothels in Nevada, and do they accept women (optionally together with a guy as a 3 some) ?

Not planning to do anything soon but slightly interested may i ever visit the states again.

 

[meiji]

I have a question. About how much does service cost in the legal brothels in Nevada, and do they accept women (optionally together with a guy as a 3 some) ?

Not planning to do anything soon but slightly interested may i ever visit the states again.

I wouldn't bother, honestly. The brothels for the most part are nowhere near Vegas (they are only legal in certain counties), so unless you are going to Lake Tahoe anyway, most of the rest of them are in the middle of nowhere like Elko. I thought about going one time when I was visiting a friend in Reno, but I'm not a fan of negotiation (see below).

By law they can't list or discuss prices - the women are all contractors that set their own rates, so a less popular woman will set a lower rate, etc. These prices are generally going to be a LOT more expensive than the hobby in larger cities. I can easily get a very nice FS session with an attractive woman for like $300-400/hr at worst in most major metro areas, and I think most Nevada brothels likely start at $500/hr. But again, they don't list prices, and don't really show pictures, and there aren't many reviews out there, so aside from crossing it off my sexual experience bucket list, I don't really see the point.

Yes, I'm pretty sure you could do a 3-some at a Nevada brothel, or even just go in there by yourself if you wanted. Not all of the women working there would necessarily be up for it, but I'm sure many would (especially with an attractive lady like yourself!). What that costs is another question entirely.

 

[Wwanderer]

The best Nevada escorts are (illegal) Vegas indies afaik, not more expensive than the legal brothel girls and generally provide a better experience in a far nicer and much more conveniently environment (a casino and your hotel room).

-Ww

 

[kazuma]

In terms of avoiding law; I would also check local police reports/news on the rate they do bust AMPs so you'll have a better idea how often if they do it or how aggressive (deportation, arresting the Johns, etc.)

 

[User#7832]

Now that I've successfully popped my p4p cherry, but am depressingly back in the states, what kind of options are available in the US?

It's more or less nonexistent, right? I mean, escort services seem to exist here, but they can't and don't sell anything interesting, do they? Specifically on the east coast. New York city / Philadelphia area

Aside from Nevada, I'm going to have to travel to scratch this itch again, aren't I?

Actually I would say that there are a lot of options in the US, including on the East Coast. Pricing isn't all that much higher than Japan and indeed can be less. Yes, security is more of an issue due to illegality of prostitution but if you stick to reviewed and verified providers or an agency the risk is low. There are a number of agencies that specialize in Thai or Korean providers. Best bet is to get yourself verified through either Preferred411 or Datecheck and then use providers that are themselves verified through these services. The Erotic Review is also a good source. It isn't too difficult to find a GFE provider for cost of $250-$300/HR. Of course you can pay double that for model material but the service won't necessarily be twice as good ;-)

Happy hunting.

 

[proconsul]

Take a look at this update posted on the site "USASexGuide."

In the biggest city in America -- New York -- MPAs are being shut down with the threat of fines and a criminal record for anyone who visits them. I rest my case.

http://www.usasexguide.info/forum/s...rlor-Reports&p=3459150&viewfull=1#post3459150

The NYPD is on a mission to bust all massage parlors in Chinatown. Saw several that were closed for business, rental signs already up. I know this hobby is an addiction and hard to stop but remember that if you are caught in the act it is misdemeanor type B, see section 230.00. You will be fined a minimum of $500.00, will probably not get jail time if the lady is over 18, and you will get the misdemeanor on your public record for LIFE.
Now, that sucks. Yes, for 30 minutes of fun and 10 seconds of cumming, you can lose everything. If you are busted, remember to never say you were there for sex. Only a massage! Nothing else.

Land of the Free

 

[meiji]

I rest my case.

That's a pretty weak case. Even in Japan there's pretty regular parlor busts due to breaking the rules. Nobody's ever said that the hobby is completely safe in the US (or anywhere else, for that matter). But claiming that the hobby in the US is routinely dangerous is a hysterical response to the reality there.

 

[Lukes]

Wasn't planning to make this my first post ever on TAG (Konnichiwa, everyone) but I just couldn't help but chime in here.

I've been in the hobby stateside for years. Never been busted.

You know why? Because I do my research ahead of time and know how the game works. There are some very sizeable online communities of mongers that live, work and play in the states that could tell you the same.

As Meiji and others have pointed out - the hobby is not entirely without risk. Busts do happen but when they do it's often because someone's not playing it smart and makes themselves a target.

 

[Coda87]

Do not try to pursue the commercial scene in the US. The country is a police state like the Taliban with severe prohibitions and prosecutions of sexual entertainment. In the unlikely event that you're able to find a dingy and smelly underground AMP that hasn't been shut down the police, it will be a horrible experience.
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Unless you have been in every state in the USA and tried p4p/Amps at all of them, I think that's a big generalization to say the entire scene in is bad. Each State is different. I know in Honolulu where I live, AMP's are the most organized form of p4p here and quite popular. I used to manage a bldg with three AMP tenants. So I have seen their setup and girls. They were not dingy and I didn't see any Frankensteins. And there is no "police state" feeling here either.
That being said, I agree that Tokyo has p4p that is high quality, easy to use, and is very organized.

 

[nagekinokii]

Personally I don't like the reference system in the states for escorts. I don't like paying a ton of money for a verification service only for it to be shut down, and I don't like how escorts generally screen people. Like what is this, a job application? It's just based on who you know, who you've seen, who's willing to take a chance on a newbie to be willing to provide feedback? Do I have to work my way up by seeing providers I don't like similar to the corporate ladder? Speaking of which, using employment verification was never an option because I do freelance work myself, so even though I pay taxes like everyone else, I couldn't even see a higher end escort. The one time I inquired about an escort to a particular escort agency, the guy talking was extremely rude and had a shady vibe etc. Not to mention, a good deal of high end escorts have an age limit of 35, and I have a ways to go before I reach that age. I respect the people willing to go through the hoops to monger in the states, but it's just not for me.

 

[meiji]

I used to manage a bldg with three AMP tenants. So I have seen their setup and girls. They were not dingy and I didn't see any Frankensteins.

Interesting. I bet there'd be a LOT of people interested in hearing more about that here or in another thread, ie, whether the owners knew what was going on, whether they cared, etc.

Personally I don't like the reference system in the states for escorts. I don't like paying a ton of money for a verification service only for it to be shut down, and I don't like how escorts generally screen people. Like what is this, a job application? It's just based on who you know, who you've seen, who's willing to take a chance on a newbie to be willing to provide feedback? Do I have to work my way up by seeing providers I don't like similar to the corporate ladder?

Well, the down side of it being officially illegal is that there's a whole lot less trust and things are much more shadowy. It's simple for anyone, provider or hobbyist, to shed their hobby identity at any time. That's not so easy in Japan or elsewhere, where most places insist on a legit phone number for service. I agree that references are annoying, especially in the AAMP business where they'll only accept references from other AAMPs, and the girls change their POs and numbers every month it seems like, or they go on vacation or disappear back to Korea randomly. I had a great relationship with 2 different California K-girls, but both are on vacation so I can't use them as references when I'm there.

One option in your case just to get started is Preferred 411, which has alternate options for verification other than employment - if you've seen some providers that also have P411, you can get verified with them that way, and in turn have access to other escorts. Doesn't really help much with AMP/AAMPs though.

 

[whocares]

I think the upsides to verification (increased access I guess) are waaaay outweighed by the downsides...do you honestly want your real name in the hands of somebody who a) can easily blackmail you b) provide your info to the police if and when she is busted?

I never want to be an alarmist but being identifiable, imho, is just about the dumbest thing you can do...maybe others will have confidence in something like Preferred 411 but, frankly, if you don't think that they will eventually get hacked a la Ashley Madison and you won't get doxxed, you're a braver man than I am, and that assumes you'd even trust your info with somebody like Preferred 411 anyway...like they won't turn over their database to the cops in two seconds if the site ever comes under investigation? or won't get bought by somebody who values the database for other reasons?

While I am sure 99.9999% of interactions are just sex/money, I see no reason to ever put yourself at risk. All you need is one pissed off SW to phone your boss and what does that do to your career? Or to have her find you on FB and email every friend you have?

She isn't giving you her name for a reason, to me it's common sense to have it go both ways.

 

[meiji]

I think the upsides to verification (increased access I guess) are waaaay outweighed by the downsides...do you honestly want your real name in the hands of somebody who a) can easily blackmail you b) provide your info to the police if and when she is busted?

I never want to be an alarmist but being identifiable, imho, is just about the dumbest thing you can do...maybe others will have confidence in something like Preferred 411 but, frankly, if you don't think that they will eventually get hacked a la Ashley Madison and you won't get doxxed, you're a braver man than I am, and that assumes you'd even trust your info with somebody like Preferred 411 anyway...like they won't turn over their database to the cops in two seconds if the site ever comes under investigation? or won't get bought by somebody who values the database for other reasons?

While I am sure 99.9999% of interactions are just sex/money, I see no reason to ever put yourself at risk. All you need is one pissed off SW to phone your boss and what does that do to your career? Or to have her find you on FB and email every friend you have?

She isn't giving you her name for a reason, to me it's common sense to have it go both ways.

Preferred 411 is a Canadian company. Prostitution is in just about every case 100% legal in Canada. They can tell the FBI or any US locality that wants information to go fuck themselves. Beyond that, Preferred 411 also destroys your personal information after they've verified you. If you are able to verify yourself via other escorts, you can also pay via pre-paid credit card, etc, and no personally identifiable information is sent to them.

 

[whocares]

Right...they say they destroy your personal info...and even if I trusted that (which I don't), the terms of service can change in an instant and nobody reads those...

I am not trying to be argumentative...but laws change, people lie and my policy of trusting no one will remain the sanest course of action when doing things that you'd rather your boss or wife or family not know about.

 

[meiji]

I am not trying to be argumentative...but laws change, people lie and my policy of trusting no one will remain the sanest course of action when doing things that you'd rather your boss or wife or family not know about.

There's certainly levels of justifiable paranoia that many people go to, and you have to have your own 'policy' for that. I'm not married, so I'm not THAT paranoid about it. I know guys that not only have hobby phones, but entire hobby computers that wipe out all evidence of their online hobbying, but even in that case there's evidence somewhere that could theoretically be tracked down. I generally think that most levels of paranoia are a little much, especially in the case of P411, where no police dept is going to deal with the international red tape to track down an every day monger.

 

[whocares]

I get what you mean...I do...I just think one should keep this simple...cash, love hotel, first name...and zero chance of anyone ever using that experience against me...I am not married either (my personal code means I would not do this in a relationship) but who knows what happens, right, I meet with a lady next week...two years from now I am married and said lady is desperate for cash and has a notebook full of names and phone numbers and suddenly my life is turned upside down...

I have way too much experience working for companies that promise not to sell your info to marketers (and do) and working with people who fuck over their clients with regularity to ever put my faith in somebody I paid to fuck me.

I don't doubt you are right that getting 411 is too much of a pain...but maybe next week it's bought by an American company...or some programmer decides he isn't morally ok with the service and decides to leak names in a secret copy he's been making...maybe it's paranoid, but how many marriages did the Ashley Madison hack destroy?

 

[Lukes]

Fellas, this is becoming way too complicated and hypothetical. You don't need verification websites and references to partake in P4P. Those kinds of things put you at risk of trouble. Anyone dumb enough to have joined a site like Ashley Madison probably deserved whatever fate they were met with.

When stateside, you have to adopt a different mentality towards P4P than you would in Japan. You have to strike a balance between managing risks and seeking out the best experiences. You can't just see an online profile, call up the tenchou and ask him to send you a girl that gives XYZJs. You have to leverage other means of finding what you want. Sometimes that means that all you've got to go on is a 4 year old massage parlor review that suggests a monger MAY have gotten some action there.

A casual hobbyist needs nothing more than some cash, common sense and and an adventurous spirit. A more advanced hobbyist will have some additional tools and techniques at their disposal.

Does it compare to Japan where just about anything is available at virtually no risk? Absolutely not. But my point is that fun can be had, often for minimal cost and minimal risk if you know how to keep yourself protected from both legal issues and the ocassional crazy provider.

 

[proconsul]

What do you say now, you deniers of how horrible the US is for sexual services?
http://backpage.com/
Backpage.com is no more! Shut down by the FBI -- and it was only a matter of time! BTW Craiglist Personals are also gone -- courtesy of some US Senators' anti-sex-trafficking bill. Things are only getting worse here, and this country is already a miserable Saudi Arabia in terms of sex. But I'm sure some of you will continue to rationalize and rebut my arguments from before.

 

[Yuriko]

I know that some escorts travel to NYC if you invite!

 

[F1guy2017]

When I was in the states I found a few keepers in SC and we often met, but nothing nearly as good as here.. Asami, Sakura, Kei, etc.. of AM and recently one nice young Japanese/American independent who invades my brain lol. A certain young Russian/Japanese as well.. hell, what i hear about Alice tells me I've only scratched the surface...

Have to move back next week and really not looking forward to it.. I do have one patient fwb so she's gonna get a lot...

 

[rafaelx12]

Now is probably the worst time to go back to the states for a hot-blooded monger.. with BP and all being shutdown.. but you still have options if you are willing to pay a little more or do your research on the local forums with indi providers there.

That being said, something about the whole BP experience in the states was satisfying to some. The risk, and chase, and whatnot. Nostalgia.