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Yes, that was something good going down. Although not me on her, at least not yet.
Whew, I'm tired. I'll provide a full report later. For now please just allow me to express my grateful thanks to the makers of modafinil, who made this jet-lag-free first evening in Japan a possibility.
Whew, I'm tired. I'll provide a full report later. For now please just allow me to express my grateful thanks to the makers of modafinil, who made this jet-lag-free first evening in Japan a possibility.
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So yes, last night was a success, although not really because of anything to do with me. Except insofar as I met the basic qualifications of (a) sitting next to my date with (b) a penis.
Unlike in Scotty's experience with AM, I had a picture in advance. She did indeed resemble her picture, although the picture was perhaps a bit flattering. She was short and chubby, perhaps a "5" in looks. But she was dressed in some rather revealing clothes and had good makeup.
After immersing myself in PUA literature during the past week or so, it was amusing to find that she seemed to have read some of the same books. Sure, I noticed that the meeting place she picked (in the course of our back-and-forth rescheduling messages, she beat me to it) happened to be right on the edge of a large love-hotel area, but who was I to complain about good logistics? Then, when I showed up (intentionally) five minutes late, she immediately teased me about that. (So much for "DHV.") The location had tables and a bar, but naturally she was sitting at the bar, where I could not help but brush up against her naked legs within moments of sitting down. She asked if I wanted anything to drink (she'd started with wine fifteen minutes before I got there) and when I said I wanted coffee with lots of cream, she said "No! You can't have all that cream, you need to diet!" while rubbing my belly. Qualification and physical escalation all in one! She was a pro. Not that I needed much convincing, of course.
We spent most of an hour talking about literature, history, politics and art, with both of us looking up Japanese words from time to time. But the moment I said, "Sorry, I just didn't catch that last word you said -- it's really hard to hear you in here, I wish we could go some place more quiet," she was picking up her phone and her bag and heading for the door. After a stop at a convenience store for some beer (for her; I got sparkling water) we were at the hotel door within two minutes. When I told her that I'd been scouting the area and found a better hotel, she laughed and asked me why the hell I hadn't just said so at the beginning, since we'd spent an hour talking that we could have spent in bed.
In the hotel she was a force of nature. Extremely skilled and utterly uninhibited. She preferred that I use a condom so there was no issue there. She had very sensitive nipples. She wanted it deep and hard, especially from the rear, and she said so right off, and she was LOUD. I wanted to go down on her, which is my favorite thing to do (OK, second favorite) but she told me to "wait until next time" because her period had just ended a couple of days before. There also was an interesting interlude after a bunch of fluid suddenly poured out of her, something I'd never seen before and had thought was just a myth created by porn film directors, and which caused her to reach for her phone so she could look up the English translation of "shiofuki." Best of all, however, was when she was on top, grinding away to pleasure herself, alternately grimacing and shouting. There really is nothing like watching a woman lose herself completely, and being a part of that.
Afterward, it occurred to me that I was very lucky to have had this happen on my first outing, because now I really, honestly can say that I couldn't care less about how things turn out with any of the six other women with whom I have dates upcoming during the rest of this week. I was nervous before, but now I am dramatically less nervous. If from this point forward I meet a woman who wants sex, then fine, and if not, then that's fine too. I have no problem whatsoever with walking away from any of them now.
Tonight's AM date is with an older woman who actually is single, believe it or not; I don't know how I wound up messaging her, it definitely was an accident, since my plan was to stick to married women. In any event, although we haven't messaged a whole lot, I have made it clear that I'm interested only in something brief. She seems a bit insecure, however; she's sent me three pictures, two present-day (she looks pretty good for someone in her late forties) and one from when she was in her twenties which frankly is rather creepy. Alarm bells? Oh, well, what the heck, I'm off . . . .
Unlike in Scotty's experience with AM, I had a picture in advance. She did indeed resemble her picture, although the picture was perhaps a bit flattering. She was short and chubby, perhaps a "5" in looks. But she was dressed in some rather revealing clothes and had good makeup.
After immersing myself in PUA literature during the past week or so, it was amusing to find that she seemed to have read some of the same books. Sure, I noticed that the meeting place she picked (in the course of our back-and-forth rescheduling messages, she beat me to it) happened to be right on the edge of a large love-hotel area, but who was I to complain about good logistics? Then, when I showed up (intentionally) five minutes late, she immediately teased me about that. (So much for "DHV.") The location had tables and a bar, but naturally she was sitting at the bar, where I could not help but brush up against her naked legs within moments of sitting down. She asked if I wanted anything to drink (she'd started with wine fifteen minutes before I got there) and when I said I wanted coffee with lots of cream, she said "No! You can't have all that cream, you need to diet!" while rubbing my belly. Qualification and physical escalation all in one! She was a pro. Not that I needed much convincing, of course.
We spent most of an hour talking about literature, history, politics and art, with both of us looking up Japanese words from time to time. But the moment I said, "Sorry, I just didn't catch that last word you said -- it's really hard to hear you in here, I wish we could go some place more quiet," she was picking up her phone and her bag and heading for the door. After a stop at a convenience store for some beer (for her; I got sparkling water) we were at the hotel door within two minutes. When I told her that I'd been scouting the area and found a better hotel, she laughed and asked me why the hell I hadn't just said so at the beginning, since we'd spent an hour talking that we could have spent in bed.
In the hotel she was a force of nature. Extremely skilled and utterly uninhibited. She preferred that I use a condom so there was no issue there. She had very sensitive nipples. She wanted it deep and hard, especially from the rear, and she said so right off, and she was LOUD. I wanted to go down on her, which is my favorite thing to do (OK, second favorite) but she told me to "wait until next time" because her period had just ended a couple of days before. There also was an interesting interlude after a bunch of fluid suddenly poured out of her, something I'd never seen before and had thought was just a myth created by porn film directors, and which caused her to reach for her phone so she could look up the English translation of "shiofuki." Best of all, however, was when she was on top, grinding away to pleasure herself, alternately grimacing and shouting. There really is nothing like watching a woman lose herself completely, and being a part of that.
Afterward, it occurred to me that I was very lucky to have had this happen on my first outing, because now I really, honestly can say that I couldn't care less about how things turn out with any of the six other women with whom I have dates upcoming during the rest of this week. I was nervous before, but now I am dramatically less nervous. If from this point forward I meet a woman who wants sex, then fine, and if not, then that's fine too. I have no problem whatsoever with walking away from any of them now.
Tonight's AM date is with an older woman who actually is single, believe it or not; I don't know how I wound up messaging her, it definitely was an accident, since my plan was to stick to married women. In any event, although we haven't messaged a whole lot, I have made it clear that I'm interested only in something brief. She seems a bit insecure, however; she's sent me three pictures, two present-day (she looks pretty good for someone in her late forties) and one from when she was in her twenties which frankly is rather creepy. Alarm bells? Oh, well, what the heck, I'm off . . . .
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Well, the second woman was not the emotional basket case that I'd feared, which just goes to show that one should not be too quick to draw conclusions from a single bit of evidence, even if it's pretty creepy evidence. In this case, as mentioned previously I was concerned because she had included a picture of herself at age 18 or 20 or so together with her other pictures, which just sort of screams "insecurity." Also, frankly, in her present-day pictures her thin white face with fairly prominent eye sockets gave something of a skull-like impression. So I was prepared to meet a desperate single woman, perhaps with an eating disorder, who was clinging to the last vestiges of her youthful beauty.
I couldn't have been more wrong. She was a confident, independent, newly-divorced and newly-employed mother, albeit apparently with considerable means (based upon the part of town where she said she lives) who also looked a lot better and healthier in person than she did in that skull-like photo. (Perhaps some women have a tendency to pick the photo in which they look the thinnest, even if the end result is to make them look like death warmed over.) She was dressed very smartly in a tight skirt, hose, and a blouse that just cried out to be stroked, and her long hair looked and felt very natural and healthy, like the hair of a twenty-year old.
We started at a cafe where previously I'd noticed that there were a few tables with soft chairs that could permit two people to sit fairly close to one another. I had been concerned that those tables all would be taken, but by the time we started (6:00) the cafe crowd had thinned out and so we got one of the good tables. We talked and talked, I commented on and touched her jewelry, her hair and her muscles (the "flex for me" routine), and after an hour or so we moved to a sushi place within the same building.
I've decided that a sushi place has a lot of advantages, the sushi bar and the availability of strong drink principal among them. The major disadvantage is of course the price, but frankly I decided that it was worth it for the chance to spend the better part of an hour with my fingers brushing her skirt, or with my hand brushing her leg, or with my hand on her thigh. We ordered sake and she drank hers all down and started purring like a cat. I drank more sake than I've ever drunk before in my life -- about two mouthfuls in total, over the course of an hour or more, with food. God it was gross. Oh well, sometimes you just gotta make sacrifices.
After sushi, we went for a little walk outside in the direction of the love hotels. I had my hands variously on her hips, her back, her rear, and (as we descended escalators) her head and neck. As we approached the love-hotel area, and as I proposed that we go somewhere where it would be "easier to talk," she looked at me and smiled and said, "I know what you're doing!" I told her that yes indeed I'd researched the area in advance, and she laughed and smacked me. Then she said she had to go home because it was getting late, and I explained that there were always taxis for that sort of thing. She said, "You want me to do a bad thing! That's the only thing men want!" And I said, "Well, there are women who want that sort of thing too."
This sort of banter continued as we walked back to the station, and through the gates, and up to the platform. I had my hands on various parts of her body throughout. We boarded the train, and when she said, "I have to change trains at Shinjuku," I buried my face in her hair and said into her ear, "Shinjuku, that's a good place too, we could get off there together." "Stop it!" she said. So I said, "Alright, I'll stop." "But you say that in such an erotic way," she said. "No," I said, "I'm done. I've given up. You're impossible to convince, so never mind." She left the train a few moments later, saying, "I'll message you." And she did. I haven't replied yet. But I do have time to see her again this trip. I wonder whether I can get her purring again somehow.
This whole experience was really moving for me because it was the first time in my life when I'd ever done this sort of thing -- i.e., intentionally invading a woman's personal space, putting my hands on her body, not asking permission, taking her consent for granted (and getting it), and all of this with someone I'd only just met. It was thrilling.
Today I have two dates. I just finished the first one. She was the only woman on AM who ever initiated a message exchange with me, and she was a complete nonstarter. We had a nice talk for an hour or ninety minutes about a whole bunch of things, and I learned some Japanese vocabulary, etc., and that's the end of it.
The other date starts at 6 p.m., so I have just enough time to go and scout logistics for tomorrow night before coming back to do tonight's date. More to follow.
I couldn't have been more wrong. She was a confident, independent, newly-divorced and newly-employed mother, albeit apparently with considerable means (based upon the part of town where she said she lives) who also looked a lot better and healthier in person than she did in that skull-like photo. (Perhaps some women have a tendency to pick the photo in which they look the thinnest, even if the end result is to make them look like death warmed over.) She was dressed very smartly in a tight skirt, hose, and a blouse that just cried out to be stroked, and her long hair looked and felt very natural and healthy, like the hair of a twenty-year old.
We started at a cafe where previously I'd noticed that there were a few tables with soft chairs that could permit two people to sit fairly close to one another. I had been concerned that those tables all would be taken, but by the time we started (6:00) the cafe crowd had thinned out and so we got one of the good tables. We talked and talked, I commented on and touched her jewelry, her hair and her muscles (the "flex for me" routine), and after an hour or so we moved to a sushi place within the same building.
I've decided that a sushi place has a lot of advantages, the sushi bar and the availability of strong drink principal among them. The major disadvantage is of course the price, but frankly I decided that it was worth it for the chance to spend the better part of an hour with my fingers brushing her skirt, or with my hand brushing her leg, or with my hand on her thigh. We ordered sake and she drank hers all down and started purring like a cat. I drank more sake than I've ever drunk before in my life -- about two mouthfuls in total, over the course of an hour or more, with food. God it was gross. Oh well, sometimes you just gotta make sacrifices.
After sushi, we went for a little walk outside in the direction of the love hotels. I had my hands variously on her hips, her back, her rear, and (as we descended escalators) her head and neck. As we approached the love-hotel area, and as I proposed that we go somewhere where it would be "easier to talk," she looked at me and smiled and said, "I know what you're doing!" I told her that yes indeed I'd researched the area in advance, and she laughed and smacked me. Then she said she had to go home because it was getting late, and I explained that there were always taxis for that sort of thing. She said, "You want me to do a bad thing! That's the only thing men want!" And I said, "Well, there are women who want that sort of thing too."
This sort of banter continued as we walked back to the station, and through the gates, and up to the platform. I had my hands on various parts of her body throughout. We boarded the train, and when she said, "I have to change trains at Shinjuku," I buried my face in her hair and said into her ear, "Shinjuku, that's a good place too, we could get off there together." "Stop it!" she said. So I said, "Alright, I'll stop." "But you say that in such an erotic way," she said. "No," I said, "I'm done. I've given up. You're impossible to convince, so never mind." She left the train a few moments later, saying, "I'll message you." And she did. I haven't replied yet. But I do have time to see her again this trip. I wonder whether I can get her purring again somehow.
This whole experience was really moving for me because it was the first time in my life when I'd ever done this sort of thing -- i.e., intentionally invading a woman's personal space, putting my hands on her body, not asking permission, taking her consent for granted (and getting it), and all of this with someone I'd only just met. It was thrilling.
Today I have two dates. I just finished the first one. She was the only woman on AM who ever initiated a message exchange with me, and she was a complete nonstarter. We had a nice talk for an hour or ninety minutes about a whole bunch of things, and I learned some Japanese vocabulary, etc., and that's the end of it.
The other date starts at 6 p.m., so I have just enough time to go and scout logistics for tomorrow night before coming back to do tonight's date. More to follow.
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Sorry I didn't make it clear enough - your comments help me see just how much important stuff I left out. I think she didn't go with me mostly because she doesn't want to think of herself as that kind of woman. At least not on the first date, you know? I think there are lots of women like that, or at least who like to tell themselves that they are like that.
As for being a single mother, well, her daughter is 20. So that's not the issue. And, I told her in advance that I wasn't leaving my marriage or anything.
One thing that may oddly have been an issue, at least at one point during the earlier portion of the conversation, was the fact that my wife is Japanese. I'd never said anything one way or another, but when she asked me and I told her, it seemed to bother her more than a little. She said that she had assumed my wife was American. Perhaps she didn't like the idea of possibly contributing to the downfall of the marriage of one of her fellow citizens. (Not that she would, of course.) I have tried each time to try to stay far away from the subject of just what brought me to AM in the first place, but in this case I wound up giving her all the gory details, and that seemed to help with that particular issue.
As for being a single mother, well, her daughter is 20. So that's not the issue. And, I told her in advance that I wasn't leaving my marriage or anything.
One thing that may oddly have been an issue, at least at one point during the earlier portion of the conversation, was the fact that my wife is Japanese. I'd never said anything one way or another, but when she asked me and I told her, it seemed to bother her more than a little. She said that she had assumed my wife was American. Perhaps she didn't like the idea of possibly contributing to the downfall of the marriage of one of her fellow citizens. (Not that she would, of course.) I have tried each time to try to stay far away from the subject of just what brought me to AM in the first place, but in this case I wound up giving her all the gory details, and that seemed to help with that particular issue.
Any chance she might assume you are just one of those creepers that exclusively chases after Asian ladies? I think a lot of asian women get bothered by the idea of men fetishizing them.
What happened with the third date? Was she just ugly?
Side note... You are awesome! Keep going!
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1) You might have wanted to go to an intermediate place after Sushi. Which had dim lights and was more romantic and get a tongue kiss.
A Sushi restaurant wouldn't usually be dimly lit and more romantic than a cafe. Perhaps the place broke the mood or didn't create enough of a romantic/sexual vibe.
Restaurant > dimly lit place > hotel
Tongue kiss is among the best indicators that she is ready for the hotel, so need to be in a place where she is comfortable to give one.
2) The walk in the park, could have served as the intermediate location. Provided you found a good spot to kiss.
3) With most Japanese women, DON'T tell them you are going to/walking to a hotel. This activates LMR (Last Minute Resistance). Instead, just WALK there and GO IN.
Many Japanese women can't handle verbal openness about sexuality, until AFTER you already had sex with them. Japanese women like to make 1st time sex seem like an accident or spur of the moment passion.
This is very different from the more common and mature attitude of many Western women, where you can be clear and agree that you will have sex soon or in advance.
Better to walk Japanese women to the hotel, then go in. Have her FOLLOW your lead, not you asking or begging for permission. You must be HARD CORE, more alpha, and cool about it. Don't blink; Do NOT show any fear.
Just say let's go for a walk. Talk about anything else under the sun until you get to the hotel.
80% of Japanese women will follow you in; based on all the interaction BEFORE getting to the hotel. If she has questions, just be calm and explain how you are going to talk more inside the room and want to spend time together.
10% will give you some lip, but if you play it very cool, she will go in.
On the other 10%, give a good try to convince her, then let them go. Usually such women are doing you a favor. Panicked and hysterical type Japanese women are usually bad at sex or have mental problems about sexuality.
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All of these ladies are either divorced or in unhappy marriages and willing to try someone who isn't Japanese. They are probably expecting to hit up a guy similar to them, so I would phrase it in a way that doesn't make IG sound like he is super experienced with Japanese women. Do you think that would help him? Would a Japanese lady feel special to be a guys first experience in Japan?
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Some good advice. I shot myself in the foot now and didnt realize it.
I was worried a girl would think I was racist so I was like, "yes they are the most beautiful." That was when I first arrived the first trip. Needless to say I got nowhere.
Now a least I will have a good answer to that question ha.
I was worried a girl would think I was racist so I was like, "yes they are the most beautiful." That was when I first arrived the first trip. Needless to say I got nowhere.
Now a least I will have a good answer to that question ha.
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Damn, this never would have occurred to me. In any event, I'm not sure I could have pulled it off. I can manage a small temporary lie or two, such as a lie about the part of town I'm staying in or a lie about whether I've yet met anyone else off of the AM site. But having been married to a Japanese woman for more than a decade is a big part of my life, and I'm sure that if I tried lying about it I would rapidly trap myself in a web of self-contradictions. I just don't have enough brain power to remember all the corollary falsehoods that such a big lie would require.
I suppose I'll just have to try evasion. I like all of Scotty's ideas there.
Once again, it never occurred to me that this would be an issue. Fortunately, it came up in a rather roundabout way; she didn't ask me "Do you like Japanese women?" she asked me "Have you had an affair since your wife cheated on you?" I said "no," and when she, somewhat disbelieving, asked for an explanation, I explained that I had no interest whatsoever in American women. As you can imagine, I had no problem enumerating several reasons for this lack of interest -- many of which included direct comparisons with Japanese women in general. She didn't seem to mind either the put-down of American women or the flattery in the comparisons with Japanese women.
I just can't seem to find a place that seems like it would work for a kiss. Having lived in Japan for so long I've come to feel the same sort of trepidation about those sorts of public displays that I think a lot of Japanese people feel. I would have no problem going for the kiss in an intermediate location if it was private (e.g., karaoke box, separate room at a restaurant, etc.) but I just get the feeling that ninety percent of Japanese women would feel horribly exposed if a man tried to kiss them on a street, in a park, etc.
I have had a really tough time finding an "intermediate place" with "dim lights" and proper seating. I'd appreciate any recommendations.
Sigh. That was the plan, but I didn't get there.
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Started an account here just to thank Iron Giant for being so diligent about keeping up with this thread.
While I like a dark place to escalate for a kiss, one of the best I've found is an elevator: it's time-constrained, and a little naughty, both of which are good. Usually I'll ask her to hit the button, slouch against the opposite wall, and then give a "come here" finger (the Western one, not the upside-down Japanese hand style). When she comes, brief-but-deep kiss, then straighten up before the doors open.
Good fun.
While I like a dark place to escalate for a kiss, one of the best I've found is an elevator: it's time-constrained, and a little naughty, both of which are good. Usually I'll ask her to hit the button, slouch against the opposite wall, and then give a "come here" finger (the Western one, not the upside-down Japanese hand style). When she comes, brief-but-deep kiss, then straighten up before the doors open.
Good fun.
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Sorry for the long period between updates, but I've been busy! Let me recap the story thus far:
Woman 1: cancelled on me, then tried to reschedule, but now I don't think I feel like seeing her after all, in light of time available, etc.
Woman 2: chubby little squirting sex machine
Woman 3: beautiful, elegant, purrs when she drinks, allowed me to get in real close
Woman 4: complete nonstarter; no attraction (i.e., she is very hard on the eyes)
Moving on then,
Woman 5: another complete nonstarter. She was intelligent and well-traveled and we had a great talk, but she was just way too heavy. I try hard to be caring and to see the best in people, to identify a woman's outstanding qualities and to downplay the defects, etc., and I really really wanted to like this woman, but hey, I just gotta have some sort of physical aspect to work with here. I can't have an affair using just my brain.
Woman 6: flaked on me, sent me a message about five hours before our scheduled meeting. That left me in downtown Tokyo with nothing to do, so I sent a LINE message to Woman 2, who just happened to be shopping a couple of stations away, and within 45 minutes we were at a love hotel together. We were there for three and a half hours. I still can't get over this squirting thing; by the time we left the bedsheets were completely soaked. She kept pushing me out of her because the water was about to come, and then it would spout four or five inches into the air. Has anyone ever dealt with this sort of thing before? In particular, what would happen if I just ignored her when she tried to push me out, and kept pumping away instead? Is it possible that the water might not spout and that her pleasure would be even more intensified? I ask because quite often it seems that sex gets better if I just ignore what the woman says; a woman may ask you to stop something because she thinks she's gone as far as she can go, but you can show her that she can go even farther. Or, ignoring what the woman says will give her brain a real spin, e.g. -- actual quote -- "I asked you to stop because it felt like you were hurting me, but you just told me to shut up and deal with it, and that really, really turned me on.")
Woman 7: God, how can Japanese women be so beautiful? Today's woman was 49, and she looked and acted like she was 35. Everything about her was simply perfect -- beautiful smile, laughing eyes, immaculate dress, cute pink-and-clear fingernail art with tiny little round and flower-shaped beads. Let me emphasize this in case you are just laughing and nodding your head and thinking "yeah, right, a 49-year-old, give me a break." I don't care if you are 22 or 32 or 42, if you had a chance to be with this woman, you would not pass it up, and if you spent two hours sitting next to her, then your balls would hurt afterward, just like mine did. We met at a bar and got a seat where we could sit next to one another. I learned that she's an architect with an eighteen-year-old son and a husband she would divorce if she only had the financial resources. She's lived overseas but hasn't spoken English in years. I touched her knee a few times early in our lunch, and then somehow it wound up out of my reach after that. So I abandoned that approach, shifted round to face her directly, and focused exclusively on the conversation. We had a wide-ranging talk about all sorts of things but the conversation kept returning to our respective marital situations, and it was at those times that I seemed to feel a real connection with her. However (and this is unusual for me) there were a couple of moments when I felt that my language skills had failed me and that I did not quite grasp some additional meaning concealed within the things that she was saying about her marriage and (to an extent) mine. I left a little confused about just where I stood, so just before midnight tonight I sent her a very clear message, i.e., I had a great time, I'm leaving soon, I'll probably have some free time this weekend, if you have free time too, then let me know and let's do something together, etc. A little "beta," know, but I only have three days left here.
Meanwhile, Woman 3 (my purring cat) has gone silent on me. This after some fairly positive body language when we met (did I mention that she put a hand on my face several times?) and a nice message from her the next morning. Did I screw up by waiting until that night to reply and ask if she was available Thursday (i.e., today)? Oh well, I went ahead and did a Hail Mary just like with Woman 7 -- "Hey, I'm sorry about that thing the other day" (先日どうむ失礼しました - can cover anything, from replying to her message late, to having my hands on her butt, to suggesting obliquely that we go to a love hotel) "but I'm leaving in a few days. I probably will have some free time this weekend, so if you have free time too, then let me know and we can do something together." Once again, not the "alpha" way, but I'm pressed for time.
Woman 8: we were scheduled to go out tomorrow night, but in response to my "Hey looking forward to tomorrow" message, she says that she's sick and can't make it. I actually believe her; she says that she's been sick for several days and hoping she'll get better, that she has a fever, and that she wants to meet when I come back next time. Sigh.
So, unless I hear back from Woman 3 or Woman 7, or unless I decide to spend tomorrow night approaching women and get lucky, my story for this trip will be ending about here, I suppose. Except of course that I also have plans to see Woman 2 again during the weekend -- I ran through four condoms with her yesterday, I wonder how many I'll need next time.
Woman 1: cancelled on me, then tried to reschedule, but now I don't think I feel like seeing her after all, in light of time available, etc.
Woman 2: chubby little squirting sex machine
Woman 3: beautiful, elegant, purrs when she drinks, allowed me to get in real close
Woman 4: complete nonstarter; no attraction (i.e., she is very hard on the eyes)
Moving on then,
Woman 5: another complete nonstarter. She was intelligent and well-traveled and we had a great talk, but she was just way too heavy. I try hard to be caring and to see the best in people, to identify a woman's outstanding qualities and to downplay the defects, etc., and I really really wanted to like this woman, but hey, I just gotta have some sort of physical aspect to work with here. I can't have an affair using just my brain.
Woman 6: flaked on me, sent me a message about five hours before our scheduled meeting. That left me in downtown Tokyo with nothing to do, so I sent a LINE message to Woman 2, who just happened to be shopping a couple of stations away, and within 45 minutes we were at a love hotel together. We were there for three and a half hours. I still can't get over this squirting thing; by the time we left the bedsheets were completely soaked. She kept pushing me out of her because the water was about to come, and then it would spout four or five inches into the air. Has anyone ever dealt with this sort of thing before? In particular, what would happen if I just ignored her when she tried to push me out, and kept pumping away instead? Is it possible that the water might not spout and that her pleasure would be even more intensified? I ask because quite often it seems that sex gets better if I just ignore what the woman says; a woman may ask you to stop something because she thinks she's gone as far as she can go, but you can show her that she can go even farther. Or, ignoring what the woman says will give her brain a real spin, e.g. -- actual quote -- "I asked you to stop because it felt like you were hurting me, but you just told me to shut up and deal with it, and that really, really turned me on.")
Woman 7: God, how can Japanese women be so beautiful? Today's woman was 49, and she looked and acted like she was 35. Everything about her was simply perfect -- beautiful smile, laughing eyes, immaculate dress, cute pink-and-clear fingernail art with tiny little round and flower-shaped beads. Let me emphasize this in case you are just laughing and nodding your head and thinking "yeah, right, a 49-year-old, give me a break." I don't care if you are 22 or 32 or 42, if you had a chance to be with this woman, you would not pass it up, and if you spent two hours sitting next to her, then your balls would hurt afterward, just like mine did. We met at a bar and got a seat where we could sit next to one another. I learned that she's an architect with an eighteen-year-old son and a husband she would divorce if she only had the financial resources. She's lived overseas but hasn't spoken English in years. I touched her knee a few times early in our lunch, and then somehow it wound up out of my reach after that. So I abandoned that approach, shifted round to face her directly, and focused exclusively on the conversation. We had a wide-ranging talk about all sorts of things but the conversation kept returning to our respective marital situations, and it was at those times that I seemed to feel a real connection with her. However (and this is unusual for me) there were a couple of moments when I felt that my language skills had failed me and that I did not quite grasp some additional meaning concealed within the things that she was saying about her marriage and (to an extent) mine. I left a little confused about just where I stood, so just before midnight tonight I sent her a very clear message, i.e., I had a great time, I'm leaving soon, I'll probably have some free time this weekend, if you have free time too, then let me know and let's do something together, etc. A little "beta," know, but I only have three days left here.
Meanwhile, Woman 3 (my purring cat) has gone silent on me. This after some fairly positive body language when we met (did I mention that she put a hand on my face several times?) and a nice message from her the next morning. Did I screw up by waiting until that night to reply and ask if she was available Thursday (i.e., today)? Oh well, I went ahead and did a Hail Mary just like with Woman 7 -- "Hey, I'm sorry about that thing the other day" (先日どうむ失礼しました - can cover anything, from replying to her message late, to having my hands on her butt, to suggesting obliquely that we go to a love hotel) "but I'm leaving in a few days. I probably will have some free time this weekend, so if you have free time too, then let me know and we can do something together." Once again, not the "alpha" way, but I'm pressed for time.
Woman 8: we were scheduled to go out tomorrow night, but in response to my "Hey looking forward to tomorrow" message, she says that she's sick and can't make it. I actually believe her; she says that she's been sick for several days and hoping she'll get better, that she has a fever, and that she wants to meet when I come back next time. Sigh.
So, unless I hear back from Woman 3 or Woman 7, or unless I decide to spend tomorrow night approaching women and get lucky, my story for this trip will be ending about here, I suppose. Except of course that I also have plans to see Woman 2 again during the weekend -- I ran through four condoms with her yesterday, I wonder how many I'll need next time.
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Now why the hell did that never occur to me? That is simply brilliant, and ridiculously obvious.
That settles it, I'm never getting on an escalator with a woman again. Many thanks!
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Dimly Lit Places
1) Depends on where you are at. I would need your exact location or nearest train station, and if I know that particular area.
2) If you don't know an area too well or places to take a lady, come to the date location a few hours EARLY or the night before.
Look around. Check seating arrangements and lighting.
It can also just be a semi private place outside. Park, stairway, elevator, smoking area...
I have friends who are masters of stairways (English teachers with not a lot of money), who figure out buildings with empty stairways. Sounds weird, but some Japanese women love that style; outdoor sex type. Screen them by asking questions about their sex fantasies or if they have ever done it outside.
3) The Kiss
If you are in a situation where hugging is acceptable, not necessarily only face to face, but also arm over shoulder or arm around waist. You can often get in a kiss.
A) Start off with hugs or hand holding. You usually will get the vibe if a kiss is possible.
B) Just go for the kiss naturally, from a hug. Don't ask or make a huge deal out of it
C) The initial kiss can be quick. Lip to lip. Based on vibe and situation, follow up.
Kiss before trying the hotel, is usually better than no kiss.
4) Not totally public, semi-private.
Key is someplace where not everybody is watching you, low lighting or at night outside, and has a somewhat romantic vibe.
You can sometimes tell her comfort level if she is locked into your eyes only and isn't looking all around elsewhere. If a Japanese woman is panicked or uncomfortable, she is usually looking around, and not into your eyes or face.
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Woman 6- Good recovery to switch to woman 2 after her flaking on you.
Better to have a backup plan by stacking dates on the same day. Flake rate by Japanese women can be quite high.
If your 1st date shows, make an excuse and RE-schedule the 2nd date to a later day. If your 1st date comes and it goes bad, now you can EJECT and meet the 2nd date.
Reserve stacking dates for women you are unsure about, who show any excessive fear about meeting, or exhibit any flake qualities.
Woman 7- Don't understand why you didn't go for it. Looks like you let the clock run out and had a cinderella moment.
Maybe should have started the date earlier, like at or before 6pm. Then had start going for it at around 9pm, which have given time before the Japanese last train.
Also, you might should have also asked her much EARLIER in the conversation about if staying to morning is possible. "I don't have to work tomorrow, so staying out until morning is exciting. " She is likely to cough up that she must catch the last train home, IF all night is an issue for her.
Woman 8- Do not believe flaky women. She is a flake until she has proven otherwise, through repeated meetings or phone conversations.
What many Japanese women do is STACK you with other guys. You are 1 of 2 to 3 others for that day. You may have been her plan B. Her plan A came through OR she panicked due to psychological issues, so she CANCELED on you.
Note- when Japanese get panicked or hysterical about an upcoming meeting or event, they can often get "sick". This sickness, if not a straight up lie, can be from MENTAL issues.
She might like you enough to keep you around as a plan B option or her primary on a different day.
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This is riviting stuff Iron Giant 
can u b persuaded 2 spend another few weeks in To-town? I got a gut feeling htat date #26 is gonna b a good 1
TAG Manager says there has been a lot of extra traffic here recently and I'm sure u mite have something to do with it. I was gonna watch the new Nicole Kidman movie (even tho Rotten Tomatoes only give it 10%) but this is much more interesting with a real life character I can rel8 2, not a dead aristocrat.
My thoughts on purring d8 #2 - who the fuck does she think she is. Actually u already answered that, a rich woman who has always got her own way. U treat her 2 expensive chow then she bails with the "I'm not that type of woman" shite. She knows ur not in town 4 long, and sounds like she was relishing all the attention u was giving her. Bitch. I could pardon such behavior in a J-girl of say 20, but at 50 thats out of order. At that age in Japan she mite never get another chance, altho I guess she is probably playing the field on AM same as u. I know what I wuda done in that situation but I'm not u and in n e case its 2 l8 now
Yap, I agree with the chappies here that u got nothing 2 gain by telling ur d8 that ur wife is Japanese. Dont worry about telling blatant lies, women do it all the time especially in Asia. 4get all this Christian morality shite. Tell her ur wife is a black farmer's daughter from Bayon le Batre, Alabama. I would say 2 all my d8s "I have met Japanese women through my job but u r the 1st I have ever been on a proper d8 with". That should put a bit of unspoken extra pressure on her not 2 dissapoint
As 4 Solong's 80% love hotel success r8 - I'm not doubting his statistix but, from my experience, getting a girl inside a love hotel still dont guarantee jack shite. I've had a girl pass out drunk fully clothed (or made a convincing show of pretending). The most surreal experience of all was being fully naked with a domed stiffy and a fully naked girl who kept crossing her legs as I was about 2 stick it in saying in English "I'm a virgin I'm a virgin"and laughing hystericaly. I never found it amusing at the time
I'd be interested in hearing how Solong makes the transition from bar to hotel. I guess that, in Japan, if u have managed 2 stick ur tongue down her throat in the bar it pretty much meeenz a shag is inevitable (not so in other countries). In Shibuya its ezy bcoz the club area is in the same street as a lot of love hotels and u can pretend ur taking her 2 Club Flame which opens at 10 PM. Not so ezy in Shinjuku, the love hotels r in the opposite direction 2 the station and bar joints. I would just say "kyukei shimashou" (lets have a rest) and unless she's a total spaztard she'll know what u mean
can u b persuaded 2 spend another few weeks in To-town? I got a gut feeling htat date #26 is gonna b a good 1 TAG Manager says there has been a lot of extra traffic here recently and I'm sure u mite have something to do with it. I was gonna watch the new Nicole Kidman movie (even tho Rotten Tomatoes only give it 10%) but this is much more interesting with a real life character I can rel8 2, not a dead aristocrat.
My thoughts on purring d8 #2 - who the fuck does she think she is. Actually u already answered that, a rich woman who has always got her own way. U treat her 2 expensive chow then she bails with the "I'm not that type of woman" shite. She knows ur not in town 4 long, and sounds like she was relishing all the attention u was giving her. Bitch. I could pardon such behavior in a J-girl of say 20, but at 50 thats out of order. At that age in Japan she mite never get another chance, altho I guess she is probably playing the field on AM same as u. I know what I wuda done in that situation but I'm not u and in n e case its 2 l8 now
Yap, I agree with the chappies here that u got nothing 2 gain by telling ur d8 that ur wife is Japanese. Dont worry about telling blatant lies, women do it all the time especially in Asia. 4get all this Christian morality shite. Tell her ur wife is a black farmer's daughter from Bayon le Batre, Alabama. I would say 2 all my d8s "I have met Japanese women through my job but u r the 1st I have ever been on a proper d8 with". That should put a bit of unspoken extra pressure on her not 2 dissapoint
As 4 Solong's 80% love hotel success r8 - I'm not doubting his statistix but, from my experience, getting a girl inside a love hotel still dont guarantee jack shite. I've had a girl pass out drunk fully clothed (or made a convincing show of pretending). The most surreal experience of all was being fully naked with a domed stiffy and a fully naked girl who kept crossing her legs as I was about 2 stick it in saying in English "I'm a virgin I'm a virgin"and laughing hystericaly. I never found it amusing at the time
I'd be interested in hearing how Solong makes the transition from bar to hotel. I guess that, in Japan, if u have managed 2 stick ur tongue down her throat in the bar it pretty much meeenz a shag is inevitable (not so in other countries). In Shibuya its ezy bcoz the club area is in the same street as a lot of love hotels and u can pretend ur taking her 2 Club Flame which opens at 10 PM. Not so ezy in Shinjuku, the love hotels r in the opposite direction 2 the station and bar joints. I would just say "kyukei shimashou" (lets have a rest) and unless she's a total spaztard she'll know what u mean
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Well, Woman 3 is still on radio silence, and I got a polite "No time this weekend" response from Woman 7. But what the heck, I'm at a cafe in front of a museum where I'm going to meet Woman 2 for lunch, a museum visit, and then several hours of high-decibel pneumatic exercise.
I appreciate the advice, Scotty, but I've just got no time left. I'll try them both again if and when I make it back here.
The reason I have no time is because Woman 1 contacted me again, and I decided to give her a shot after all. So I'm seeing her at noon tomorrow, my last day here. I have learned a LOT this week, both through this forum and in the field, and if the circumstances are right (i.e., if Woman 1 is at least 5% as good-looking as Woman 7) then I'm going for it.
I see now that my failures with both Woman 3 and Woman 7 might have been turned into successes if, instead of being just confident (which I think I was), I had been over-confident. So, for example, when Woman 7 deftly moved her knee just out of reach, instead of taking the hint and keeping my hands off of her, I should have moved in closer and tried again.
I appreciate the advice, Scotty, but I've just got no time left. I'll try them both again if and when I make it back here.
The reason I have no time is because Woman 1 contacted me again, and I decided to give her a shot after all. So I'm seeing her at noon tomorrow, my last day here. I have learned a LOT this week, both through this forum and in the field, and if the circumstances are right (i.e., if Woman 1 is at least 5% as good-looking as Woman 7) then I'm going for it.
I see now that my failures with both Woman 3 and Woman 7 might have been turned into successes if, instead of being just confident (which I think I was), I had been over-confident. So, for example, when Woman 7 deftly moved her knee just out of reach, instead of taking the hint and keeping my hands off of her, I should have moved in closer and tried again.
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In Japan, kissing has a different type of significance. I'm glad you brought this up, as it's good to point out the difference in Western and Japanese thinking on this.
1) Japanese women don't usually want to kiss a guy unless they consider him SPECIAL OR get VERY caught up in the excitement or passion of the moment (key point here from bar to hotel).
A lot of Japanese women would give you a blow job or even have sex, rather than kiss you, as strange as that may seem to Westerners.
This can freak Westerners out in the P4P world too, where they are having sex with a woman and she doesn't want to kiss and they try to force kissing.
It's not usually or necessarily disrespect to the guy (unless his breath stinks), but a cultural quirk.
2) Western women have the tradition of ONLY just petting, kissing, and getting felt up and then doing nothing else.
Many Western women can kiss you, but not like you enough or feel comfortable enough to have sex with you. For Westerners, kissing is often BELOW sex or considered trivial.
With many Japanese women, tongue kissing is EQUAL to sex OR reserved only for special guys, so highly important.
In Japan, for many women, kissing is a much STRONGER indicator of interest or BREAKING a barrier of intimacy.
Kissing can be a way of BREAKING a woman's resistance to sex, as she gets swept into the passion of the moment.
If the Japanese woman can tongue kiss you, she can usually have sex (or oral sex) with you. Because kissing is more reserved for special guys in her mind, so tongue kissing her can make YOU special. You therefore want to get the kiss, to create an intimate link. Now you are NO LONGER just/only friends.
And many Westerners are not aware that Japanese women may perform oral sex on dates in replacement to kissing. Odds, oral sex being below kissing (as that's reserved for the more special boyfriend). So if kissing fails, oral sex can be a possibility.
3) Bar/Club to HOTEL
The key is getting the woman sexually and romantically excited. And when you see that she is, ALMOST IMMEDIATELY take her to the hotel/apartment.
You get her excited through VERBAL sexual escalation, in the form of semi-sexual stories, and through progressive touching (from innocent touches to hugging).
3B) Verbal Sexual Escalation
Verbal sexual escalation is done by talking about sexually related stories. This puts thoughts of sex into her mind.
If I type apple, most of us will think of an apple. If I talk about bikinis and lingerie, an ex-bisexual girlfriend, or catching a couple having sex outside than most will visualize these sexually related situations too.
The point is NOT a direct, graphic, or vulgar story about sex. But a socially acceptable story that has sex in it. You happened to catch a couple having sex in the park while jogging. You then talk about your surprise and what that couple might have been thinking. If your date gives her opinion (a sexual escalation trap), now she is very mentally involved in thinking about sex and actually helping excite herself.
And if you have highly verbally escalalated her, while also physically escalating ( by touch, hugs, and kisses) then you can have made many women sexually excited and horny.
Add kissing, and a location NEAR a hotel/apartment (geographical escalation), you can seize the right moment (as she is excited), and take her to the hotel.
It's about situational awareness, and going for it.
In Japan, kissing has a different type of significance. I'm glad you brought this up, as it's good to point out the difference in Western and Japanese thinking on this.
1) Japanese women don't usually want to kiss a guy unless they consider him SPECIAL OR get VERY caught up in the excitement or passion of the moment (key point here from bar to hotel).
A lot of Japanese women would give you a blow job or even have sex, rather than kiss you, as strange as that may seem to Westerners.
This can freak Westerners out in the P4P world too, where they are having sex with a woman and she doesn't want to kiss and they try to force kissing.
It's not usually or necessarily disrespect to the guy (unless his breath stinks), but a cultural quirk.
2) Western women have the tradition of ONLY just petting, kissing, and getting felt up and then doing nothing else.
Many Western women can kiss you, but not like you enough or feel comfortable enough to have sex with you. For Westerners, kissing is often BELOW sex or considered trivial.
With many Japanese women, tongue kissing is EQUAL to sex OR reserved only for special guys, so highly important.
In Japan, for many women, kissing is a much STRONGER indicator of interest or BREAKING a barrier of intimacy.
Kissing can be a way of BREAKING a woman's resistance to sex, as she gets swept into the passion of the moment.
If the Japanese woman can tongue kiss you, she can usually have sex (or oral sex) with you. Because kissing is more reserved for special guys in her mind, so tongue kissing her can make YOU special. You therefore want to get the kiss, to create an intimate link. Now you are NO LONGER just/only friends.
And many Westerners are not aware that Japanese women may perform oral sex on dates in replacement to kissing. Odds, oral sex being below kissing (as that's reserved for the more special boyfriend). So if kissing fails, oral sex can be a possibility.
3) Bar/Club to HOTEL
The key is getting the woman sexually and romantically excited. And when you see that she is, ALMOST IMMEDIATELY take her to the hotel/apartment.
You get her excited through VERBAL sexual escalation, in the form of semi-sexual stories, and through progressive touching (from innocent touches to hugging).
3B) Verbal Sexual Escalation
Verbal sexual escalation is done by talking about sexually related stories. This puts thoughts of sex into her mind.
If I type apple, most of us will think of an apple. If I talk about bikinis and lingerie, an ex-bisexual girlfriend, or catching a couple having sex outside than most will visualize these sexually related situations too.
The point is NOT a direct, graphic, or vulgar story about sex. But a socially acceptable story that has sex in it. You happened to catch a couple having sex in the park while jogging. You then talk about your surprise and what that couple might have been thinking. If your date gives her opinion (a sexual escalation trap), now she is very mentally involved in thinking about sex and actually helping excite herself.
And if you have highly verbally escalalated her, while also physically escalating ( by touch, hugs, and kisses) then you can have made many women sexually excited and horny.
Add kissing, and a location NEAR a hotel/apartment (geographical escalation), you can seize the right moment (as she is excited), and take her to the hotel.
It's about situational awareness, and going for it.
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1) My pals and I wouldn't usually say let's go to a hotel in a 1st or 2nd date situation, but just say let's leave here or go for a walk.
Usually best to act like a "boss" and have her follow your lead. Unlike many Western women, unless the Japanese woman is highly Westernized, they won't often debate or question it. UNLESS, the guy looks scared or unsure of himself.
Japanese women often react more to your: mannerism, how you carry yourself, or how others are treating you than just the words being said.
When guys look and act scared or turn going to the hotel into a huge event, they can CAUSE or CREATE more panic and fear in the woman as a REACTION. It's often best to play it very cool and confident with Japanese women.
2) Just saying the word "hotel" can activate LMR (last minute resistance/panick attack) in many Japanese women. Many are not used to discussing sex openly prior to the first time they do it. Often better to avoid using the word until AFTER you had sex with her.
After you had sex the first time, then a guy can say hotel and openly discuss sex. It's more of an odd switch with Japanese women than it's with Western women.
3) Japanese often like to PRETEND going to the hotel was accidental ("Oh, look what we have passed here.") OR they were caught up in a moment of passion, for that first time.
It's good for Westerners to play along with this Japanese style game for the first time.
4) The tongue kiss is usually the best non-verbal indicator for deciding to go to a hotel or not.
If can't get that kiss quite yet, but she seems still into you, a good option can be to take her to ANOTHER intermediate location. Karaoke, dimly lit club with side by side style seating, club bathroom, building roof top, etc...
As a swinger, my pals and I may also take a woman to certain swinger clubs or strip clubs, if possible. Clubs like Bliss have "all you can drink" bars, lingerie, and a erotic/sexual/romantic atmosphere.
As odd it may appear here, a woman can not be so into you (at first), but get very sexually excited by the atmosphere around her, so then want to have sex with you as a release. And she can be very into you after sex, and if not, then you still had fun.
An intermediate location where sex is possible, can be best where you are not getting the vibe for the hotel or the hotel/apartment is too far away.
4B) Secondary indicators are if she won't tongue kiss you, but is VERY into: letting you kiss her neck a lot and she kisses your ears or neck back (key is she is kissing you back), hugging you, comfortable sitting on your lap...
She may not be tongue kissing you due to being in a bad public location and she feels excessively apprehensive about the location or people around you, BUT if she is giving a lot of other signals, you can decide to take the shot and go to the hotel.
5) Switching from trying to get a kiss to a blowjob.
This is where she is in a place where sex is possible. Hotel, apartment, stairway, park, etc...
This is also partially based on situational awareness and your previous questioning of the woman.
The correct mindset for a guy is- If this doesn't work, try this. If not that, than this, and then this.
Like you are with a Japanese woman in a club, who is kissing you and obviously horny, but who won't leave the club because of her girlfriends (common Japanese childishness). Smart guys will take her to a bathroom, stairway, or bring to a hotel near the club and bring her back to her friends in 1 hour (like club and hotel area in Shibuya, Dogenzaka).
You don't ask for a blowjob. You put her hand on your erect penis and see if she keeps it there or strokes it. Key here is it's best if your penis is erect or semi-erect, as this often excites many women. If a guy has issues with his penis getting erect or this is due to him being overly nervous, then get some viagra.
If she keeps her hand on your penis or strokes it, then pull your penis out. Just be bold about it. 90% of Japanese women will get the non-verbal message and based on your location and previous interaction, will then give you a blowjob.
Key point is not just pull the penis out, but her holding your penis for a while or stroking it, and you being in a private place where you can pull it out.
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